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Vaccine woes not Mulroney's fault Trudeau has faulted everyone but himself for poor shape of domestic drug industry Calgary Herald 20 Mar 2021 LICIA CORBE

You haven't noticed this?  It came in the same Liberal box labeled law abiding, daily vetted gun owners being compared to a pyromaniac serial killer, wife abusing,  police impersonator with illeg

If diversity is our strength, how do you rationalize Islamic extremism??? It’s a diverse point of view...but one should not hide behind the proclamation “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian”...why

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Meanwhile in the UK.....

 

Chris Whitty: society will have to learn to live with Covid in similar way to flu

England’s chief medical officer says unrealistic to think border policy can stop new variants entering

“ Whitty said the majority of experts believed Covid was not going to go away and it would eventually have to be managed in a similar manner to flu. In a bad year, flu can kill 20,000 to 25,000 people. “It is not flu, it is a completely different disease, but the point I am making is, here is a seasonal, very dangerous disease that kills thousands of people every year and society has chosen a particular way around it,” he said.”

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/chris-whitty-society-will-have-to-learn-to-live-with-covid-in-similar-way-to-flu

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Canada is ignoring the science on second doses 

World Health Organization weighs in on the dosage delay strategy by Britain and Canada

“ We know that some of these discussions about changing the dosing schedule or dose are based on a belief that changing the dose or dosing schedule can help get more vaccine to the public faster. However, making such changes that are not supported by adequate scientific evidence may ultimately be counterproductive to public health.”

It’s amazing how the Canadian government has bucked the advice of so many other health agencies and medical journals, in its attempt to mitigate the damage done by the Liberals’ failure to procure enough life-saving vaccines for the Canadian public in time.”

 

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-canada-is-ignoring-the-science-on-second-doses

 

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can someone explain Covid Vaccine math to me.

Say we only get the 2 dose vaccine in Canada....

Canada has like 36 million people.  That makes 72 million doses required.

Some genius signs a contract for 110 Million doses to be delivered to Canada.

So what happens to the other 38 million doses???????

 

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8 hours ago, boestar said:

can someone explain Covid Vaccine math to me.

Say we only get the 2 dose vaccine in Canada....

Canada has like 36 million people.  That makes 72 million doses required.

Some genius signs a contract for 110 Million doses to be delivered to Canada.

So what happens to the other 38 million doses???????

 

I have read where they think Covid will never be defeated 100%. If that’s the case, vaccine shots will become a yearly event like the Flu shot.

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Imo .... we oversubscribed to vaccines because of our weak bargaining position...we were late to order, behind all the other countries, so the procurement minister bought more than enough from pharmaceuticals because they couldn’t give firm dates of delivery......so better to have doses trickling in from 5 suppliers than none at all.

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In Ontario, our provincial government is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine doses rather that opening it up to more groups.  Friends and relatives that have gone to the mass clinics say that only half of the stations are being utilized. (Peel Region)

Why not open it up and then complain afterwards if you are out of vaccine?

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/doug-ford-pushes-back-against-concerns-about-ontario-s-1-4-million-unused-doses-1.5376870

Ontario’s unused vaccines are the largest in the country, though its vaccine distribution as a percentage of total doses delivered — about 63 per cent — is slightly below the country’s average of 65 per cent.

But officials said the stockpile could actually increase as federal shipments come in. Ontario is expected to receive some 3.3 million doses in the month of April. At the current seven-day average of vaccinations, it would take some 45 days to get through that amoun

 

Ontario’s Ministry of Health did not disclose how many doses had been delivered to each public health unit, and most public health units contacted by CTV News did not have those figures.

However publicly available figures showed a disparity between the cases in various parts of the province and the vaccines that had been administered in them.

For example, the region surrounding Kingston has had just under 1,000 cases, and has administered almost 60,000 doses. In Peel Region, Ontario’s hotspot, there have been more than 72,000 cases, and officials have administered just over 200,000 doses.

Peel has had 77 times more cases than Kingston, but just 3.5 times as many vaccines, figures show.

That’s a sign that Ontario needs to redirect vaccines to places where people are much more at risk, said Dr. Samantha Hill of the Ontario Medical Association.

“Nothing about COVID-19 has been fair,” Dr. Hill told CTV News. “We’ve called for hot spots to have increasing doses of vaccines. The reason for that is we want to break transmission chains. We don’t want to give COVID a chance to mutate again,” she said.

Brampton councillor Rowena Santos said she hoped that the province would prioritize areas with high case counts as it moves to Phase 2 of its rollout — areas that tend to have higher numbers of essential workers who are at risk because they can’t work from home.

“If we are going to try to stop these lockdowns from shutting down and opening again and shutting down and opening again, I think we need to try a new strategy,” Santos said.

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They bought that many doses so that they could look magnanimous when they give them away to third world countries and preen about it.

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Not sure if this is a fair comparison:

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For example, the region surrounding Kingston has had just under 1,000 cases, and has administered almost 60,000 doses. In Peel Region, Ontario’s hotspot, there have been more than 72,000 cases, and officials have administered just over 200,000 doses.

My understanding was the Kingston area was chosen as a test area for distributing the AstraZeneca vaccine to pharmacies, not necessarily for need ( ie rates of infections), as opposed to specific vaccine sites. 
I guess you can now debate whether the idea of centralized vaccine site (more congestion, more people lined up, more parking issues) or have widespread sites utilizing pharmacies, clinics, doctors offices.

Again this falls back to procurement....order vaccines requiring stringent storage (-70c which only specific sites can handle) or order a vaccine that can be stored in any bodies frig so that you can have quick and easy vaccinations.... but since we were behind every other country, we didn’t have a choice.

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2 hours ago, mo32a said:

They bought that many doses so that they could look magnanimous when they give them away to third world countries and preen about it.

This is certain to help JT when he makes his run for Secretary General.  If he shows up to give his speech in blackface the assembly might actually fall for it!

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Don’t rule out the side possibility that Trudeau overbought vaccines so he could magnanimously “donate” the left overs to the most vulnerable countries.....and look like a star at the UN.

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Besides vaccination...rapid over-the-counter, at home testing needs to be brought in. What's the sense of having someone do a COVID test that takes 2 or 3 days, on an isolation honour system, when we can do it quicker with great accuracy...and at a low cost. And yes, I own QDEL stock.

https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/in-depth-the-simple-change-that-made-rapid-covid-tests-reliable

However, emerging evidence suggests rapid antigen tests are also effective on asymptomatic people as long as they test serially, meaning the individual takes a follow-up antigen test 24 to 36 hours after the first.

The tests from Quidel and Abbott will be sold in two-packs. Prices have not been set but the two-pack from Quidel is expected to cost less than $30, according to CEO Douglas Bryant.

“Because I know that the virus grows quite rapidly, if I missed it the first day, 24 to 36 hours later I'm going to pick it up,” said Bryant in an interview. “So, in effect, I have a great ability to detect the virus early before that individual can go out into the community and spread the disease.”

A study at the University of Illinois on mild and asymptomatic cases found that when Quidel’s rapid test was administered at least twice a week, its accuracy jumped to 95 percent. The study, like many during the pandemic, was published to a pre-print server meaning it has not yet undergone peer review.

“We believe this is the beginning of an era of frequent testing in order to demonstrate that we're ready to go back and reopen the economy,” Bryant said.

These rapid tests aren’t just more convenient, one study published in Science showed they can have a big impact on slowing the spread.

In November, Slovakia rolled out rapid tests on a mass scale, testing more than 80 percent of its population in certain counties. The researchers found infections dropped 58 percent in one week. After the second week, infections were down more than 80 percent.

This was an observational study, not a randomized controlled trial, so the authors noted that other social distancing measures may have contributed to the decline. But they noted that lockdowns without this widespread rapid testing were much less successful. The UK went into a month-long lockdown in November and only reduced cases by 30 percent.

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37 minutes ago, FireFox said:

Besides vaccination...rapid over-the-counter, at home testing needs to be brought in. What's the sense of having someone do a COVID test that takes 2 or 3 days, on an isolation honour system, when we can do it quicker with great accuracy...and at a low cost. And yes, I own QDEL stock.

 

The problem with home testing would be how to eliminate the cheaters if the results are to be used for travel etc.  

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Nearly 40% of Marines have declined Covid-19 vaccine

It's more like 50% and apparently ran 57% at Camp Lejeune  NC. My bet is it will run even higher with veterans who have been injected with "stuff" that was subsequently expunged from their records.

Some Democrats are trying to get the POTUS to issue a "waiver of informed consent" to force them.

Could it be that these are the same vile creatures who do the expunging? 

 

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Worth watching I think. This asks some of the questions I have (and can find no answers to) and highlights some of the puzzles that also puzzle me. 

Based on previous experience with the very entity now pushing the vaccines (a sentiment apparently shared by 40-50% of Marines), I won't be lining up until the questions are answered and the puzzles solved. Credibility is an issue here as well....IMO, it has a shorter shelf life than the vaccine itself. 

My personal threshold in selecting a course of action has always been based on "does this make sense?" 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6248922358001#sp=show-clips

Well, does it? Consider the last 90 seconds of the video..... this is exactly how you lose people who ask "does this make sense?"

And here's another question, why does "my body my choice" only apply to you? More to the point, why do you THINK it does? Media induced peer pressure will serve the purveyors of it poorly with a large (and I suspect growing) portion of the public. 

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Blood clot risk associated with birth control higher than with COVID-19 vaccines

BY JONATHAN MUMA AND CITYNEWS STAFF

Posted Apr 13, 2021 6:40 pm MDT

 

Last Updated Apr 13, 2021 at 7:13 pm MDT

 
 
 

CALGARY (CityNews) – It’s used by tens of millions of women around the world, but the odds of a birth control pill giving someone blood clots are considerably higher than a COVID-19 vaccine causing one.

The concerns about clotting started after some people reported blood clots after taking the AstraZeneca vaccine. This week those concerns have expanded to include the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

READ MORE: Health Canada investigating blood clot reports after U.S. pauses J&J vaccine

The CDC is recommending a pause on administering Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine because out of the more-than-6.8 million doses administered in the U.S., there have been six reported cases of blood clotting and one death which is still being investigated.

Health Canada has also launched an investigation.

Based on that data, the rough odds of someone getting blood clots after receiving that jab is about one-in-1.13-million. The odds of dying if the shot turns out to be the cause in that single case, is around one-in-6.8-million.

The risk of getting a blood clot while on the birth control pill is between six- and 10-in-10,000, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

“These are rare events. So, it’s very difficult when the case numbers are quite unstable, the rates, when you have a very rare event over a large denominator, to try and get a handle on that,” explained Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam.

“These vaccines are really good at preventing severity and preventing death,” explained Cora Constantinescu Pediatric Infectious Disease Specialist at the Alberta Children’s Hospital.

“Regulators are acting out of an abundance of caution because they want to make sure we’re putting forward the safest products out to our people.”

Even if the birth control pill could be more likely to cause blood clots, Constantinescu says it makes more sense to actually put the risk of a clot from a vaccine in the context of severe COVID-19 cases.

She explains there’s less of a risk associated with getting the vaccine than there is with falling ill with the virus.

You’re also more likely to be die in a plane crash (one-in-one-million), get struck by lighting (one-in-12,000), or be crushed by a meteorite (one-in-700,000), than getting blood clots from a COVID-19 vaccine.

The message from the federal government remains the same: if you’re worried, talk to your doctor or pharmacist and ultimately, take whichever vaccine is available to you.

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33 minutes ago, Kargokings said:

Based on that data, the rough odds of someone getting blood clots after receiving that jab is about one-in-1.13-million.

This is why "the abundance of caution" thing makes no sense to me.

Since it doesn't get much better than those odds, why suspend it? Frankly, I agree with your premise and would have put forward the same sentiment. So what's up then?

Maybe your search skills are better than mine, I only get left wing BS and right wing BS. It makes me dizzy. As I suggested above, this is how you lose people.... at least it's how you lose me. Not sure if you watched the video or not but I have many of the same questions and ponder the same puzzles. I see little that makes sense to me.

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It's not that hard. 

I have a few vaccine questions that revolve around "is it safe and is it effective?" There are some legitimate puzzles here . Don't spin me.... IT WON'T WORK. If all you got is the notion that choosing not to get vaccinated is RACIST, then please go away quickly.

It seems Bill doesn't like the spin either. 

 

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