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And is there a connection with Italy now surpassing China in the number of virus deaths???

 

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Prato, the historical capital of Italy's textile business, has attracted the largest concentration of Chinese-run industry in Europe within less than 20 years.

As many as 50,000 Chinese live and work in the area, making clothes bearing the prized "Made in Italy" label which sets them apart from garments produced in China itself, even at the lower end of the fashion business.

In some ways, the Chinese community of Prato has succeeded where Italian companies have failed. Italy's economy has barely grown over the past decade and is only just emerging from recession, partly due to the inability of many small manufacturers to keep up with global competition.......

 

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Up to two thirds of the Chinese in Prato are illegal immigrants, according to local authorities. About 90 percent of the Chinese factories - virtually all of which are rented out to Chinese entrepreneurs by Italians who own the buildings -break the law in various ways, says Aldo Milone, the city councilor in charge of security.

This includes using fabric smuggled from China, evading taxes and grossly violating health and labor regulations. This month a fire, which prosecutors suspect was set off by an electric stove, killed seven workers as they slept in cardboard cubicles at a workshop.....

But part of the problem is that 60 percent of Chinese workshops last just two years, often closing and reopening under a different name to evade checks by tax authorities. Illegal immigrants found by the police are ordered to leave Italy within five days, but there is no way of making sure that they actually do so, said the city councilor for security, Milone. "It's a joke," he said.

Moreover, many illegal immigrants arrive on three-month tourist visas but stay in Italy for a few years, until they make enough money to go back to China.

So yeah.....borders do have a lot to do with the problem.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-take-over-italys-garment-workshops-2013-12?op=1

 

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Mostly agree, except for the Roxham Road issue.  That border crossing should have been closed years ago and most definitely should have been one of the first closed when the severity was discovered and yet it's still open

Trudeau doesn’t have to suck up to the UN anymore.....the UN has decided borders matter and have suspended refugee resettlement efforts in other countries. And to the point migrants will just find another illegal crossing, Trudeau can remove the golden carrot...no more processing for status...no healthcare, lodging and benefits!!! No incentive for fake migrants to use money out of their own pocket to travel.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6690715/un-refugee-coronavirus/

 

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6 hours ago, st27 said:

the UN has decided borders matter

A little experience is a wonderful thing, people in some African countries know all about its importance. Now, we do too. 

On the plus side, I think the pilot shortage is over for a while.

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Interesting viewpoint....
 

“ Coronavirus: the high stakes propelling the US-China blame game

He uses the example of the damp squib, a kind of firework: A throws it at B, B at C, C at D and so on, until Y throws it one last time and it explodes in Z’s face. Who’s to blame for Z’s injuries?

Suppose you are in Britain, Iran or the United States and you have just been confirmed Covid-19 positive, should you blame your trouble on President Xi Jinping and the city bosses of Wuhan, or Boris Johnson, the Grand Ayatollah, Donald Trump; or the guy who sneezed next to you at the supermarket?

If you blame Xi and Chinese communism, the chain of causality may be just too long and tenuous. But if you blame the guy standing next to you, why not blame the supermarket for forcing people to queue so long to pay, or other shoppers for panic buying?

Remote causes, proximate causes, underlying causes … all of them add up to hundreds and thousands and perhaps millions of interactions and influences, and you would need a supercomputer, or God, to work out who is to blame for what. 
But in the end, most of us are not in the blame game for scientific precision. Rather it’s to satisfy petty desires, an ideology, a personal hatred or distaste, or blind prejudice. That’s human nature.”

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6 hours ago, Fido said:

Out of 35,000,000 people

Yeah, but it’s doubling every ~3 days. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if that rate continues, 35M people are infected in seven weeks. In the USA right now, they’re doubling every ~2 days. So less than 12 days to reach >1,000,000 known infections at that rate.

BTW, it’s fairly straightforward to figure out the time it takes to double anything by using the rule of 72. Google it.

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7 hours ago, Rich Pulman said:

Yeah, but it’s doubling every ~3 days. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if that rate continues, 35M people are infected in seven weeks. In the USA right now, they’re doubling every ~2 days. So less than 12 days to reach >1,000,000 known infections at that rate.

Exactly right IMO.

Exponential growth on one axis vs excess capacity on another is a shocking lesson in sustainability. Unchecked, you quickly go from ample excess today to complete, unrecoverable failure in one doubling cycle.

If our hospitals, police services, military, fire (etc.) operate at or close to full capacity as a matter of routine it creates a huge vulnerability when those systems become stressed by contingencies. IMO, both the Canadian and US governments have now come to realize that “lack of capacity” is the enemy and that some “good ideas” simply don’t survive first contact with harsh reality. I'm actually heartened by some of the bipartisan cooperation that seems to be happening now.

Maintaining capacity when it’s not required (in order to have it available when it is) is always a tough sell. Even in my own little sphere, I can sight numerous instances of getting rid of an asset (with the notion that we don’t need that capability anymore) just before we desperately needed it for an unanticipated contingency.

Some obvious vulnerabilities and limitations like sourcing drugs and medical supplies from adversarial trading partners has now become pretty apparent to all I think.

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14 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

This concept is covered as the number 1 culprit in the video Imposted above.

It is (and has been) the number one enemy of contingency planners across the board. The second is convincing people of the need for it during times when it isn't needed... I see the potential for progress on that front now.

As you can imagine, It takes many forms and keeps some contingency planners and EMO types up at night. The concept is a difficult sell to those who have never experienced the need of it.

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o date, Alberta has completed just over 20,000 COVID-19 tests — more than any other province in Canada.

That's been possible due to existing infrastructure, the early availability of testing kits, collaboration with universities and a testing process that runs around the clock, according to Alberta's chief medical officer of health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw.

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The same lab was able to do local testing for Ebola during the outbreak in West Africa, she noted, and it had a leg up when the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 began spreading globall

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On 3/19/2020 at 2:33 PM, seeker said:

Mostly agree, except for the Roxham Road issue.  That border crossing should have been closed years ago and most definitely should have been one of the first closed when the severity was discovered and yet it's still open

Agree, however I don't know why you would be just concerned about Roxam Road with an estimated 80 people going ONE way, when you have over a thousand people daily going BOTH ways between Canada (mostly YVR) and the place where this started...China.

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As we speak...another flight from China headed to Vancouver. Xiamen Air Flight 805! 

Yep...Trudeau really cares about Canadians safety!

 

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True or false, compare this: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6144015101001#sp=show-clips with the cutting, self serving, CNN headlines from last week trashing the WH. Whether people like the current POTUS or not is irrelevant, it's just possible that he has more credible information, from better sources than idiot reporters at CNN. 

Here at home, when all of this is over, there may be an appetite for repealing helmet laws....

"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday says there is no tolerance for those flouting orders to socially distance from others in order to limit the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“You all think you’re invincible. You’re not. Enough is enough,” he warned in an address to Canadians from Rideau Cottage, where he is currently in self-isolation."

“Go home and stay home.”

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Thankyou Justin.....and just how many support staff are helping you maintain your self isolation?? ....no worries about going for food, milk and other necessities of life.

Tried shopping online for groceries from stores 50 km away (local stores don’t offer the service) .... first available slots for pickup are 8 days away.

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