Guest Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Determination No. A-2020-14 January 23, 2020 APPLICATION by Air Georgian Limited carrying on business as Air Canada Express (Air Georgian) to have its Bombardier CRJ-100 aircraft considered. Case number: 19-07782 19-07783 19-07784 Air Georgian has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) to be authorized to operate its Bombardier CRJ-100 aircraft as small aircraft under Licences Nos. 980105, 980106 and 980179 (Licences). Under its Licences, Air Georgian is authorized to operate a domestic service, small aircraft, a non scheduled international service, small aircraft, and a scheduled international service, small aircraft. Pursuant to section 2 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88 58, as amended (ATR), "small aircraft" means an aircraft equipped for the carriage of passengers and having a certificated maximum carrying capacity of not more than 39 passengers, and "medium aircraft" means an aircraft equipped for the carriage of passengers and having a certificated maximum carrying capacity of more than 39 but not more than 89 passengers. Bombardier CRJ-100 aircraft have a certificated maximum carrying capacity of 50 passengers and are considered medium aircraft for the purposes of the ATR. However, Air Georgian has submitted a copy of its revised Air Operator Certificate (AOC) that now includes a condition that limits the maximum carrying capacity of Air Georgian's CRJ 100 aircraft to 39 passengers when the aircraft are not operated on behalf of and pursuant to Air Canada's Licences, effectively putting these aircraft in the small aircraft category. Accordingly, the Agency finds that given the limitation on its AOC, Air Georgian is operating small aircraft when providing air services using its Bombardier CRJ 100 aircraft. Consequently, Air Georgian is authorized to operate its CRJ-100 aircraft under its Licences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 What would Georgian gain by this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 A less restrictive maintenance program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Maybe something to do with this? To allow them to use the aircraft on the routes they have with less seats and perhaps cabin staff? https://theairlinewebsite.com/topic/459861-air-georgian-and-air-canada/?tab=comments#comment-1751684 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, JL said: A less restrictive maintenance program? I don’t see how... anybody know? Boestar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Upon further reflection it would remain a transport category aircraft under CAR705. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47north Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 By limiting the number of seats to 39, it reduces the financial requirements as per the CTA. More info can be found here: https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/publication/financial-requirements-guide-canadian-air-carrier-licence-applicants It looks like they want to keep the aircraft on their OC without having resources to run it as a 50 seater. In other words they must be short of cash, which should be a big red flag for anyone wanting to do business with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 45 minutes ago, 47north said: By limiting the number of seats to 39, it reduces the financial requirements as per the CTA. More info can be found here: https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/publication/financial-requirements-guide-canadian-air-carrier-licence-applicants It looks like they want to keep the aircraft on their OC without having resources to run it as a 50 seater. In other words they must be short of cash, which should be a big red flag for anyone wanting to do business with them. Here is the actual wording from the CTA which appears to say that they don't have to meet financial requirements as they already hold a licence..... Unless of course, if they would need a new licence if the COB as Air Canada Express is removed, I guess we will find that out at some point. Licence Number: 980105 Air Carrier Name: Air Georgian Limited carrying on business as Air Canada Express Nationality: Canada Type of Licence: Domestic Country of Service: Canada Class of Service: Small & Cargo aircraft Licence Status: Active 1. Who has to meet financial requirements? When do financial requirements apply? Financial requirements apply to Canadians applying for a licence to operate an air service using medium aircraft (40 to 89 seats) or large aircraft (greater than 89 seats). Applicants that already hold an Agency licence authorizing the operation of an air service using medium or large aircraft may, in certain situations, not need to meet financial requirements. These applicants should consult the following section, When do financial requirements NOT apply? Key terms "small aircraft" means an aircraft having a certified maximum carrying capacity of up to 39 passengers. "medium aircraft" means an aircraft having a certificated maximum carrying capacity of more than 39 but not more than 89 passengers. "large aircraft" means an aircraft having a certificated maximum carrying capacity of more than 89 passengers. "all-cargo aircraft" means an aircraft equipped for the carriage of goods only. The classification of an aircraft as "small", "medium" or "large" is not based on the actual number of seats on board the aircraft, but on the aircraft’s certified maximum carrying capacity. When do financial requirements NOT apply? Financial requirements do not apply on the issuance or the reinstatement of a licence to operate an air service using: All-cargo aircraft; Small aircraft; Medium aircraft, where the applicant already operates a non-scheduled international or a scheduled international air service using medium or large aircraft; Medium aircraft, where the applicant already operates a domestic air service using medium or large aircraft for which the financial requirements were met within the last 12 months; Large aircraft, where the applicant already operates a non-scheduled international or a scheduled international air service using large aircraft; or Large aircraft, where the applicant already operates a domestic air service using large aircraft for which the financial requirements were met within the last 12 months. Financial requirements also do not apply in the following circumstances: The renewal of a licence; The reinstatement of a licence, where the licence is suspended for 59 or fewer days; and To non-Canadian applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1) Air georgian no longer operates CRJ aircraft on behalf of Air Canada. Jazz just took delivery (re-delivery) of the last one. 2) the maintenance program is at a minimum the program set out by the manufacturer. any change to the maintenance program must carry with it sufficent data to support the change. It must be approved by the manufacturer and then approved by the regulator. AINT GONNA HAPPEN for AG. 3) the CPA between Air Georgian and Air Canada is at an end in so far as tier 2 carriage goes. I believe they still do Tier 3 flying with the B-1900 I am not sure if there are other CRJ-100 in their fleet but there well could be. Those would likely have come from Avmax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.k. Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I heard there aren't any Beech's flying AC routes anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47north Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 10 hours ago, boestar said: 1) Air georgian no longer operates CRJ aircraft on behalf of Air Canada. Jazz just took delivery (re-delivery) of the last one. They are still operating YYZ-IND this coming week according to the AC site. Must be with one of their CRJ 100s that weren’t transferred over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47north Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 43 minutes ago, j.k. said: I heard there aren't any Beech's flying AC routes anymore. EVAS on the east coast is still operating 1900s for AC, but with the AC express markings removed. Not sure why. Air Georgian stopped operating 1900s for AC last year I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.k. Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 10 hours ago, 47north said: EVAS on the east coast is still operating 1900s for AC, but with the AC express markings removed. Not sure why. Air Georgian stopped operating 1900s for AC last year I believe Thanks for clarifying, I guess I knew that... must have just been thinking Georgian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The 1900s were only removed from flying in the central region. Anything may happen now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 C-GKEK GGN CRJ2 is ferrying YYZ to MZJ as GGN7441 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Off to the desert. That ios one of the ones that Jazz didn't take back. There are 3 I think that remained behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 GGN operated YYZ IND turn today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Make Model No. in Fleet Bombardier CRJ-100 5 Bombardier CRJ-200 12 Beechcraft 1900D 14 9 of those CRJ-200 have gone back to Jazz along with the routes. the 3 remaining CRJ-200 will make their way to the desert. They are all owned / leased by Air Canada. The remaining CRJ-100 aircraft I assume will be reduced to 39 seaters and still operated either on their own routes or on Tier 3 routes. The Beechcraft I believe still operate outside the central region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudder Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 https://business.financialpost.com/transportation/airlines/air-georgian-sub-contractor-that-flew-1-5-million-air-canada-passengers-a-year-heading-toward-bankruptcy-protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, rudder said: https://business.financialpost.com/transportation/airlines/air-georgian-sub-contractor-that-flew-1-5-million-air-canada-passengers-a-year-heading-toward-bankruptcy-protection Too bad but that is life in our world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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