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Isn't it unfortunate that the only way to invoke the spectre of reality is by employing ridicule as a tool of enlightenment. You would think rational discussion would be good enough.

Community policing is actually more expensive but well worth it IMO. Simple defunding doesn't get you there. If police and military logic have parallels, I suspect (but don't know) that the move toward centralized policing was to achieve efficiency and cost savings. 

Going back to the old model whilst cutting funding is akin to losing weight while building muscle, a tricky endeavour at best and entirely lost on the hordes of new year's resolutionists at the gym to which the concept doesn't (and statistically never will) apply.

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Trump blasts ‘radical left’ Dems in Seattle, says ‘domestic terrorists’ take hold of city

 Edmund DeMarche 7 hrs ago

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President Trump tweeted late Wednesday that “domestic terrorists” have taken over an area in Seattle amid George Floyd protests and blamed the city’s “radical left Democrats” for contributing to the unrest.


"Radical Left Governor @JayInslee and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before," Trump tweeted. "Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped (sic)  IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!"


His tweet did not go unanswered. Mayor Jenny Durkan, a  Democrat, took a swipe at Trump, and responded, "Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker. #BlackLivesMatter."


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Hundreds of protesters stormed Seattle's City Hall Tuesday night to demand Durkan's resignation, just days after seizing a six-block downtown zone that includes a shuttered police precinct. Demonstrators remained peaceful, without reports of violence or injuries, but are pushing Durkan to step down if she refuses to defund the city's police department.


a close up of a sign: An unreasonable activist fringe is stealing the peaceful protest message of justice for George Floyd, says Michael Solan, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild.© Provided by FOX News An unreasonable activist fringe is stealing the peaceful protest message of justice for George Floyd, says Michael Solan, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild.

House Judiciary Committee member Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., told "Hannity" Wednesday that "Antifa has now designated Seattle their capital" after the protesters declared a six-block neighborhood around the precinct a "Cop Free Zone."


The city just suffered a weekend of unrest, where officers used tear gas and pepper spray to disperse demonstrators in the area after they say they were assaulted with projectiles. Several city councilmembers say police overreacted and needlessly exacerbated tensions.


The Seattle Times reported Wednesday that the area in the Capitol Hill section of the city has been called CHAZ and it is “free of uniformed police.” The paper reported that the nearby police precinct that was shuttered during the protests had a new sign on Tuesday that read, “THIS SPACE IS NOW PROPERTY OF THE SEATTLE PEOPLE.”


Assistant Chief Deanna Nollette said barriers were removed from the front of the precinct after it became a flashpoint between officers and protesters. Police also have remained scarce in that area and in the several nights since, protests have continued peacefully.


The Times reports that Nollette said police want to discuss reopening the precinct and noted officers are responding to 911 calls in the area. She said protesters have set up their own barricades, which are intimidating to some residents.


“We are dedicated to working with peaceful protesters on a way to move forward,” Nollette said. “There’s a whole citywide effort to try to identify who the leaders are. It’s just a matter of establishing a dialogue so we can take down the plywood and welcome people back into the lobby.”


This is not the first time that Trump has called out state and city leadership in dealing with protests.


Last month, while looting and arson raged in Minneapolis, Trump tweeted, “I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis,” Trump tweeted. “A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right."


Trump appears intent on positioning himself as the law-and-order candidate in 2020. There is a push among some Democrats to defund police which has put Joe Biden in a tough position of trying to bring together the moderates of the party and liberals about the best approach on policing.


Biden was interviewed by Trevor Noah, the host of “The Daily Show,” and was asked, “If you were to become president, do you think that there would be a world where defunding the police would be a solution?”




“Well I think there are a lot of changes they can take place, period, without having to defund the police completely,” Biden said. He continued, “I don’t think the police should be defunded. But I think that conditions should be placed upon them where departments are having to take significant reforms.”


Fox News' Charles Creitz, Vandana Rambaran and the Associated Press contributed to this report

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Good or Bad, this was our country at that time.  I say leave the statues up so we can remember what was and perhaps avoid the same mistakes.

George Floyd protests reignite push to remove problematic statues in Canada


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Montreal petition to take down John A. Macdonald statue gains traction

Some are calling for problematic statues of historical figures in Canada to be removed in the wake of worldwide protests against systemic racism and police brutality that were sparked by the death of George Floyd, a Black man who died after an officer knelt on his neck for over eight minutes during arrest.

Several statues around the world have been torn down by force. The statue of 17th-century slave trader Edward Colston met its watery end on Sunday in western England after anti-racism protesters tied ropes around the statue's head, dragged it through Bristol and dumped it into a harbour.

On Saturday, protesters toppled a statue of Confederate Gen. Williams Carter Wickham in Richmond, Va. On Thursday, Gov. Ralph Northam is expected to announce the removal of the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from the city's Monument Avenue.


On Tuesday, London Mayor Sadiq Khan announced all of the city’s landmarks — including its statues —will be reviewed to make sure they reflect its diverse population. Some think Canada should follow suit.



Today we've unveiled a new commission to review and improve the diversity of London’s public landmarks.

We must commemorate the achievements and diversity of all in our city - and that includes questioning which legacies are being celebrated. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-


"Monuments are important. Monuments represent how we view our history and who we value," said Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, director of the University of British Columbia's Indian Residential School Centre For History and Dialogue.

© Ryan Remiorz / The Canadian Press The statue of John A. Macdonald was vandalized March 21, 2019 in Montreal.

"If we pick to value one narrative that has been at the expense of Indigenous people and we don't balance it, we don't place it in any context, we don't engage people — well, you can expect significant unrest."

Turpel-Lafond, who is Cree, said that for direct or intergenerational survivors of the residential school system, which the Canadian government said saw "some 150,000 Indigenous children removed and separated from their families and communities," being confronted by statues depicting well-known Fathers of Confederation while walking down the street signifies a lack of respect she described as "very upsetting."

"Seeing those champions who didn't just design the residential school system, but were determined to take the Indian out of the child and the horrors that resulted — that's a visceral reaction," she said.

As the country moves towards an era of truth and reconciliation, Turpel-Lafond said monuments need to be placed in "a truthful context" that includes both historical successes and "things that are considered to be genocidal failures."

She praised younger activists and Indigenous students, who she said were leading the charge in working towards having certain statues taken down on campuses.

Ryerson University in Toronto, for example, which says it champions diversity, was named in 1948 after Egerton Ryerson, a controversial public education pioneer who is believed to have helped shape residential school policy.

In 2017, its student-body union made a failed push to have his statue removed. It now stands at the centre of the school's campus, alongside a small plaque that addresses Egerton's role in "cultural genocide."

READ MORE: Samuel de Champlain monument should reflect ‘good, bad and ugly’ of Canada, mayor says

Ryerson alumni Maaz Khan, 25, told Global News that seeing the change brought about by recent protests inspired him to start a petition on Saturday to have it removed.

"(Ryerson promotes) equality and inclusivity and then (they) have a statue that represents the opposite. We're celebrating a person that basically stood against all of what Canada stands for now," he said.

Khan said the protests represented a "global change" and fundamental steps forward in a more progressive direction.

"We're now trying to celebrate people who actually make positive change rather than negative change," he said.

In a statement to Global News, Ryerson University said it has made no decision to remove the statue, "however, the university is always open to hearing from our community members — be they staff, students, faculty or alumni — when they have concerns and/or suggestions."

Some statues have already been taken down.

Last year, a statue in Orillia, Ont., of Samuel de Champlain towering over scenes of two Indigenous people looking up at a Jesuit priest and fur trader was removed for refurbishment. While the statue of Champlain was re-installed immediately, the others were to be reconstructed after further consultations with First Nations.

Champlain is known for his contributions in establishing Canada's first colonies, according to a federal government press release.

In 2018, a statue of Halifax founder Edward Cornwallis -- who was known for offering a bounty to anyone who scalped a Mi’kmaq person in 1749 while he served as governor -- was removed from a park named after him.

Two years ago, Victoria's mayor and council voted to remove a statue in celebration of Canada's first prime minister Sir John A. Macdonald, who played a key role in creating the residential school system. To date, several remain, including one in Montreal.

READ MORE: Christopher Columbus statues beheaded, toppled, burned, thrown in lake

petition began circulating on Sunday to have one of those Macdonald statues removed — and it's gaining traction. By Wednesday, it had over 9,700 signatures. Its organizer, Isobel Walker, 22, said it's been a long time coming.

"We are here today because (Macdonald) did the work of forming this country. But in the same way, his racist and colonial legacy is also enduring and the monument is something that we no longer want in public spaces because we don't want to forget or diminish the harm that he has caused," she said.

Walker added that she hoped Macdonald's statue, as well as others like his, could be placed in museums that have the space to provide historical context about these figures' involvement with white supremacy.

"It's not an effort to change the past or erase history, but these monuments should no longer be celebrated in public spaces," she said. "It's time to make a change."

Montreal city council did not to respond to questions about the petition or the removal of the statue in time for publication.

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Don't hide history, says Oxford head in statue row

By Sean CoughlanBBC News family and education correspondent
The statue of Cecil RhodesImage copyrightREUTERS Image captionProtesters have been calling for an Oxford college's statue of Cecil Rhodes to be removed

In the row over the statue of Cecil Rhodes, Oxford University's head has warned against "hiding our history".

Protesters want to pull down Oriel College's statue of the 19th century imperialist, saying it is a symbol of racism and imperialism.

But vice-chancellor Louise Richardson said the views of the past had to be seen in the context of the time.

"We need to confront our past, we need to learn from it," said Prof Richardson.

After the removal of the statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol attention has switched to other statues, including that of Cecil Rhodes in Oxford, commemorating the Victorian imperialist, businessman and funder of scholarships.

The statue belongs to Oriel College, rather than the university, and Prof Richardson said she did not want to give a "binary" view on whether to remove it.

But she gave no indication of backing protesters wanting to take down the statue, instead warning against trying to hide the past and calling for a recognition that views from the past needed to be judged in their historical context.

Oxford's MPs and a number of local councillors have supported calls to remove the Rhodes statue, arguing that it represented imperialist values that were no longer acceptable.

The Rhodes Must Fall campaign has called for a "public and permanent acknowledgement" of the university's "role in colonial violence".

"My own view on this is that hiding our history is not the route to enlightenment," Prof Richardson told the BBC.

"We need to understand this history and understand the context in which it was made and why it was that people believed then as they did," she said.

"This university has been around for 900 years. For 800 of those years the people who ran the university didn't think women were worthy of an education. Should we denounce those people?

"Personally, no - I think they were wrong, but they have to be judged by the context of their time," said Prof Richardson.

In the era of Cecil Rhodes, support for imperialism had been the prevailing view, she said.

Image captionLouise Richardson says that the views of the past need to be examined in the context of the time

The vice-chancellor said that growing up in Ireland she had seen Oliver Cromwell as a "barbarous" figure - but she had seen his statue in Westminster and had learned more about him.

"Cromwell to me was like Voldemort is to my children," she said, referencing the evil wizard in the Harry Potter novels.

"But I went about learning more about how he was perceived very differently in Britain."

When looking at the attitudes and actions of the past, she asked: "Do we use the ethics of today or do we use the morals and ethics of the time in which they lived?"

After a row about the statue a few years ago, there had been proposals for a plaque to be added to the Rhodes statue adding "context" about his life, and Prof Richardson said she regretted that this did not seem to have happened.

But she said the focus of the university was not on statues from the past, but on the experience of students in the present, adding that the number of black and ethnic minority students had risen.

Media captionWhat do we do with the UK's symbols of slavery?

"I would hate to think that any black student or student of any background would think that Oxford would be an unwelcoming place."

Prof Richardson was speaking as the university was about it announce its first new college for 30 years.

Reuben College is to open next year as a postgraduate college and the vice-chancellor said it will be "more problem-focused, more entrepreneurial".

The college will focus on climate change, artificial intelligence and cellular life. It takes it name from the Reuben family whose foundation has donated £80m to support it.

"The idea is to find solutions to global problems that transcend national borders," said Prof Richardson, adding that the college would have a more "egalitarian" approach than the "traditional formal set-up".

Oxford University has been at forefront of efforts to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 and she said it showed the necessity of "funding the research infrastructure".

"It shows how important it is for a country like Britain to have as many first-rate research universities as possible. We're critical to the economic recovery," said Prof Richardson.

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18 minutes ago, Marshall said:

George Floyd protests reignite push to remove problematic statues in Canada


What Canada should be removing are the George Floyd protesters and get this country back on track to sanity.

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Here is another example.  The following story talks about Canada's ignored history of slavery.  Neat title but not factual.  There was slavery in the land we now call Canada but that ended well before Canada became a Country.

Systemic silence': Canada's ignored history of slavery

Jonathan Forani

Jonathan ForaniCTVNews.ca Writer

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Published Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:49PM EDT
Bass home in Ontario

The derelict Samuel Bass family home is seen near Charlieville, Ont., Friday, November 15, 2013. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld)



TORONTO -- Long-held conversations about Canada’s relationship with racism have reached a new fever pitch amid ongoing protests against anti-Black racism.

To Indigenous and Black educators in Canada, it’s a relationship that has been left out of history books.

For 17 years, Charmaine Nelson has asked new students at McGill University if they knew that slavery occurred in Canada. She can recall just one student who said that they did. Most only knew of the “Underground Railroad,” the network of safe houses and secret routes for enslaved people in the U.S. to escape to Canada that was used from approximately 1833 to 1865.

But Canada’s history with slavery goes back much further.

“We’re obscuring, falsifying — and completely erasing in many instances — a 200-year history and we’re enshrining a 30-year history,” said Nelson, an art history professor who has researched the visual culture of slavery, in a phone interview with CTVNews.ca. “What we’re omitting then in the Canadian landscape, across the board in our curriculum, from the youngest children into university age, is the 200-year history of slavery in Canada.”

There’s no absence of information on slavery in Canadian archives, as many scholars like Nelson, who have pored over fugitive ads, personal accounts and newspaper articles from centuries ago, will tell you. It has simply been ignored and left out in favour of the sunnier histories told in Heritage Minutes.

It’s what Natasha Henry, the president of the Ontario Black History Society, calls “systemic silence.”

“It is widely ignored,” she told CTVNews.ca. “There’s a sense that it does not have to be taught. In the instruction of our beginnings, it’s not part of that narrative.”

Individual teachers have chosen to instruct students about the country’s history with slavery, but it is not enshrined in most curriculums.

“Through that mechanism of the curriculum, you get the systemic silencing and ignoring of this,” she said. “We’re producing students who have no idea (about slavery in Canada).”

The effects of silencing that part of history can be felt today, too, said Lance McCready, an associate professor at the University of Toronto. McCready has done research interviewing hundreds of Black students in Canadian schools and found that many of them feel the school system isn’t built for them.

“One of the reasons they feel like it is not set up for Black people is they don’t see themselves reflected in the curriculum,” he told CTV’s Your Morning on Thursday.

“This creates part of the mental health issues with Black students as they go through the school system not seeing themselves, feeling like this whole place where they’re supposed to be experiencing a positive learning environment is actually not for them.”

Here is a brief history of slavery in Canada, including some select moments from the first two hundred years. This is not intended to be a complete history.


Thousands of people were enslaved in New France, including the colony of Canada, during the 1600s. Most of them were Indigenous tribes who were called panis, and many were African from Madagascar and New Guinea. Enslaved people in New France were “chattel slaves,” meaning they were traded, bought and sold like property. 

One of the earliest records of an enslaved African in New France was a boy of about six years old in 1629, according to a Canadian Encyclopedia article by Henry. The boy was eventually given the name Olivier Le Jeune, and records show he was a “domestique,” the common word for a slave in Quebec records.


Slavery was enshrined into laws as a means for white settlers to keep the system going. One example of this was in 1760, after the British conquered New France, in the capitulation of Montreal, settlers agreed to a specific clause to preserve enslavement. “The Negroes and panis of both sexes shall remain, in their quality of slaves, in the possession of the French and Canadians to whom they belong,” read article XLVII.


The number of African slaves increased significantly following the defeat of the British in the American Revolution, said Henry. And in 1790, the Upper Canada government passed an “imperial statute” to encourage the immigration of white Americans northward. The statute allowed them to bring Black enslaved people duty-free. They were referenced alongside “household furniture, utensils of husbandry, or cloathing [sic],” according to Henry.

By the 1790s, records show that there were between 1,200 and 2,000 enslaved Black people in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and P.E.I., about 300 in what is now known as Quebec, and up to 700 in what is now known as Ontario.


Even when apparent inroads were made in the law, slavery persisted in Canadian areas. For example, in 1807, the Slave Trade Act abolished the trading of slaves in the British Empire, but this only meant that there could be no new slaves. According to records, this may have intensified conditions for some enslaved people in Canada. 

“It’s important to use that to talk about the will of white settlers to ensure that human bondage continued,” said Nelson, adding that some slave owners may have sought ways to “work around” the change in laws. “Then you get the growth of domestic slavery and the breeding of African women.”


The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 abolished slavery in the British Empire, setting off some of the most well-known stories relating to Canada and slavery, including the Underground Railroad.  

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The Protests Come for ‘Paw Patrol’

A backlash is mounting against depictions of “good cops,” on television and in the street.

It was only a matter of time before the protests came for “Paw Patrol.”

“Paw Patrol” is a children’s cartoon about a squad of canine helpers. It is basically a pretense for placing household pets in a variety of cool trucks. The team includes Marshall, a firefighting Dalmatian; Rubble, a bulldog construction worker; and Chase, a German shepherd who is also a cop. In the world of “Paw Patrol,” Chase is drawn to be a very good boy who barks stuff like “Chase is on the case!” and “All in a police pup’s day!” as he rescues kittens in his tricked-out S.U.V.

But last week, when the show’s official Twitter account put out a bland call for “Black voices to be heard,” commenters came after Chase. “Euthanize the police dog,” they said. “Defund the paw patrol.” “All dogs go to heaven, except the class traitors in the Paw Patrol.”

It’s a joke, but it’s also not. As the protests against racist police violence enter their third week, the charges are mounting against fictional cops, too. Even big-hearted cartoon police dogs — or maybe especially big-hearted cartoon police dogs — are on notice. The effort to publicize police brutality also means banishing the good-cop archetype, which reigns on both television and in viral videos of the protests themselves. “Paw Patrol” seems harmless enough, and that’s the point: The movement rests on understanding that cops do plenty of harm.

The protests arrived in the midst of a pandemic that has alienated Americans from their social ties, family lives and workplaces. New and intense relationships with content have filled the gap, and now our quarantine consumptions are being reviewed with an urgently political eye. The reckoning has come for newspapers, food magazines, Bravo reality shows and police procedurals.




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Man charged with poisoning homeless people in California

A homeless tent is seen over a bridge in Los Angeles during the coronavirus outbreakImage copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionOfficials have appealed for help in identifying further victims (file photo)

A man in California has been charged with poisoning eight homeless people with a substance described as "twice as strong" as pepper spray.

William Robert Cable, 38, is accused of giving at least eight people food laced with oleoresin capsicum and filming them as they became ill.

Several of the alleged victims were hospitalised and authorities believe the suspect could have targeted others.

Mr Cable faces up to 19 years in prison if convicted.

"These human beings were preyed upon because they are vulnerable," Orange County's district attorney Todd Spitzer said.

"They were exploited and poisoned as part of a twisted form of entertainment, and their pain was recorded so that it could be relived by their attacker over and over again."

According to the Orange County District Attorney's Office, the suspect approached vulnerable homeless people in the Huntington Beach area in Ma and offered them food laced with a substance "twice as strong" as the pepper spray used by police.

Oleoresin capsicum is derived from chilli plants and is the main active ingredient used in pepper spray. The strength of each spray varies between manufacturers.

Some of the victims were told they would be taking part in a "spicy food challenge" and were given beer to encourage them to take part, while others were unaware the food had been tampered with.

Upon eating the food, they suffered reactions including seizure-like symptoms, difficulty breathing and vomiting, the District Attorney's Office said.

Cable, who is being held on $500,000 bail, was arrested last month and faces eight charges of poisoning, as well as a further count because one of the victims was elderly. He has also been charged with involving a minor in the attacks.

Officials in Orange County have appealed for the public to help identify any further victims or suspects.

Last year a Spanish YouTuber was sentenced to 15 months in prison after tricking a homeless man into eating an Oreo biscuit filled with toothpaste.

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Hopefully people will get what they're demanding and social workers will action the emergency response in such cases. Lets defund in Toronto and use that as a national model for paving the road ahead. Simply disarming police would ensure this sort of thing wouldn't happen as the gangsters would have no need to carry weapons.. A good start would be to disband the tactical team as a show of good faith. This guy didn't get the memo:


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LOL...to all the loonie toons who voted NDP..... Have at it !!!! Stupidity knows no bounds  


Sign our petition to “defund police”

As the NDP’s provincial and federal riding associations, we have always committed to the ideals of solidarity with Black, Indigenous, racialized, queer, LGBTQ+2S people. More than ever, we recognize that commitment and intentions are not enough.

We are proud to stand behind our MPP, Dr. Jill Andrew, who is the first black queer woman to be elected to the legislature in Ontario. As riding associations, we reaffirm our commitment to Jill, and to taking bold action to address systemic racism both within and without.



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The care and consideration shown for his acolytes is quite remarkable.


Trump supporters must agree not to sue his campaign if they contract coronavirus at Tulsa rally

It’s the art of the legal shield.

Trump supporters who plan on attending the president’s controversial rally in Tulsa next week have to sign a waiver promising not to sue his reelection campaign if they catch coronavirus during the raucous event.

A disclaimer at the bottom of the webpage where people can sign up to attend the June 19 rally states that attendants “are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place.”

“By attending,” the disclaimer continues, “you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President ... liable for any illness or injury.”

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10 hours ago, seeker said:

Protester threatens to burn down Jewish 'Diamond District' in NYC unless demands are met:


Excellent idea.  I'm sure this will help them achieve their goals.


That is the move from protester to Terrorist.


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Total loss of control in Seattle. ? 

The Feds will have no choice but to move in and take control of the situation and the LEFT will no doubt go nuts if he does. Lose / Lose situation For Trump.

The Seattle government this week essentially ceded a six-block area of its city to protesters declaring a cop-free "Autonomous Zone," a dramatic loss of control by a government and police force — and another sign of the leftward lurch in a city that has a history of being one of the biggest bastions for radical progressive activism in the country.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/seattle-history-liberal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A foxnews%2Fpolitics (Internal - Politics - Text)&utm_content=FaceBook


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1 minute ago, Jaydee said:

Total loss of control in Seattle. ?

The Seattle government this week essentially ceded a six-block area of its city to protesters declaring a cop-free "Autonomous Zone," a dramatic loss of control by a government and police force — and another sign of the leftward lurch in a city that has a history of being one of the biggest bastions for radical progressive activism in the country.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/seattle-history-liberal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A foxnews%2Fpolitics (Internal - Politics - Text)&utm_content=FaceBook


Build a Wall around it and send Snake in....


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Just so that the “guilt” is equally shared and the white folk aren’t singled out :


Many Native American tribes practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America.[1][2]

Native American groups often enslaved war captives, whom they primarily used for small-scale labor.[1][2] Others however would stake themselves in gambling situations when they had nothing else, which would put them into servitude for a short time, or in some cases for life; captives were also sometimes tortured as part of religious rites, and these sometimes involved ritual cannibalism.[1][4] During times of famine some Native Americans would also temporarily sell their children to obtain food.[1]

There were several differences between slavery as practiced in the pre-colonial era among Native Americans and slavery as practiced by Europeans after colonization. Whereas Europeans eventually came to look upon slaves of African descent as being racially inferior, Native Americans took slaves from other Native American groups, and therefore did not have the same racial ideology for their slavery. Native slaves could be looked down upon as ethnically inferior, however.[1][2] Another difference was that Native Americans did not buy and sell captives in the pre-colonial era, although they sometimes exchanged enslaved individuals with other tribes in exchange for redeeming their own members.[3][5] In some cases, Native American slaves were allowed to live on the fringes of Native American society until they were slowly integrated into the tribe.[2] The word "slave" may not accurately apply to such captive people.[1][2]


Multiple forms of slavery and servitude have existed throughout African history, and were shaped by indigenous practices of slavery as well as the Roman institution of slavery[citation needed] (and the later Christian views on slavery), the Islamic institutions of slavery via the Arab slave trade, and eventually the Atlantic slave trade.[1] Slavery was a part of the economic structure of African societies for many centuries, although the extent varied.[1]Ibn Battuta, who visited the ancient kingdom of Mali in the mid-14th century, recounts that the local inhabitants vied with each other in the number of slaves and servants they had, and was himself given a slave boy as a "hospitality gift."[4] In sub-Saharan Africa, the slave relationships were often complex, with rights and freedoms given to individuals held in slavery and restrictions on sale and treatment by their masters.[5] Many communities had hierarchies between different types of slaves: for example, differentiating between those who had been born into slavery and those who had been captured through war.[6]



Just a cursory search from Wikipedia, but these little details will never see the light of day...will be quickly dismissed as being a historical “anomaly”.

What irks me is that we are responsible for situations from over 100 years ago, not behaviour that we are responsible for today.

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I can't seem to keep up, when did it become OK to say that? Or is it only OK if used with the immunity afforded those self-identifying as NDP SJWs?

Exactly.  It's only OK to say if you're part of the club - for an outsider to say it is racist, misogynistic and sexist.

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It wasn't that long ago a complete graduating class of correctional officers was fired for being coerced into a picture just like this intended as a personal memento for their instructor (who was seen as oppressive)... times change, but when it's on a weekly basis it's hard to keep up. Since saluting perceived oppression in this manner is now OK, maybe they should be rehired:


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3 hours ago, seeker said:

It's only OK to say if you're part of the club - for an outsider to say it is racist, misogynistic and sexist.

So if you are gay, it's OK to call gay black women queer? It seems pretty rude to me and there appears to be too many escape clauses for practical application of the new rule.

What if you self identify as gay whilst making the comment or temporarily (after the fact) to avoid a public apology? Liberals need to properly disseminate the rules for this. The rap music thing is a conundrum as well, do you have to be black to sing along to the hideously racist and violent lyrics or can white people be rap fans too?

By way of practical application, and given my sincere willingness to accept the law of the land (and I do mean that), is it now OK for me to self identify as a queer native women and go deer hunting tomorrow?


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30 minutes ago, Jaydee said:


And Poof... using an AR15 is suddenly A OK too. It's like the GPS has you lost in mountain switchbacks and the the only reasonable thing to do is close your eyes and drive faster. 

Most bikers have seen this, but it's relevant to our trajectory as a nation and begs the question WDYTWGTH? Metaphorically, the fire truck represents the unyielding natural laws of the universe that some people refer to as reality. 

The guy was OK here, but really....


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