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An interesting CBC article would differ with the inference that Americans are brainwashed.                                                                                      

“It's hard to miss the spectacular sight of protesters honking car horns, waving Confederate flags and pressing angry faces against windows as they demand the lifting of lockdown orders.  They're a small group of mainly Trump supporters, and they're being egged on by Fox News and the president.  But this is not the prevailing sentiment in the U.S. In fact, it's not even Trump's own policy. What various polls show, including one from Pew Research and one from Gallup, is that the vast majority of Americans want to do this slowly and carefully.  According to Gallup, over 70 per cent of Americans want to wait and see what happens with the spread of the virus; another 10 per cent want to wait indefinitely; and just 20 per cent would return to normal activities immediately.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/reopening-economy-canada-1.5536755

 

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4 hours ago, PaulD said:

An interesting CBC article would differ with the inference that Americans are brainwashed.       

Agreed, as would common sense. Welcome to the forum by the way...

Most of these memes are an assault on common sense, and when examined critically, they usually illustrate the exact opposite of what they proclaim.

I can only guess the target audience is the "already  converted" as they rarely resonate with anyone who gives the issue (at hand) a moments thought. I can just imagine the converted at home shouting "like ya bros, tell it like it is dude" at their computer screens. Bloody tiresome IMO.

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Everyone is outraged about the taking away of their rights, until it is their family that is dying and then not enough is being done.

I love the way you decry it as an assault on common sense. 

If you feel that it is unreasonable  against the economy, then why don't you volunteer to work in a hospital with the workload in the emergency wards to help get through it faster?  Not safe enough for you?  

Why are you so willing to have others carry the load while you protest it?

I am still working, I guess I am an 'essential worker'.  I am still healthy and gave blood to help in the crisis.  I don't complain when I have to line up for groceries.

Isn't it amazing that it is only the democratic states with lockdowns are being excoriated yet the republican ones aren't?  Hypocrisy at it's finest.

To top it all off, to have the President of the United States supporting an uprising against State Governors is just another reason the man proves he shouldn't be in office and should be removed.

He is giving ventilators to Russia though.  Has to keep his master happy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52330531

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37 minutes ago, deicer said:

I love the way you decry it as an assault on common sense. 

 

Not "it".... your meme. 

I won't bother dissecting it beyond the fact you expect me (others more likely) to swallow the notion that brainwashed people are demanding the right die. That they are shoulder to shoulder in their collective eagerness to lay down their lives, their livelihood, and the future of their families in fealty to bosses who are all part of the mythical ruling class. Some 48% of US employees work for small businesses, few of those folks and fewer of their employees are part of the ruling class.

Suggesting that anyone who doesn't share your view is brainwashed, stupid, deplorable (or whatever) is not a winning strategy IMO.... even though Democrats seem dedicated to pursuing it.

And I'm not about to compare resumes with you. Your assessment of what I do, what I may have done, where I volunteer, and the risks I currently and previously accept(ed), Is not only irrelevant to me, it suggests an attitude on par with the meme you currently defend.

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So you are acknowledging that you are willing to sacrifice lives for dollars.

It's not brainwashing, it's the reality of the situation.  I would hope you would understand the science behind why we are collectively where we are.  However you profess to know better.

You are willing to play God and decide who gets to live?

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4 hours ago, deicer said:

So you are acknowledging that you are willing to sacrifice lives for dollars.

It's not brainwashing, it's the reality of the situation.  I would hope you would understand the science behind why we are collectively where we are.  However you profess to know better.

You are willing to play God and decide who gets to live?

Although likely inadvertent, you’ve aptly illustrated why I don’t like memes.

Whether they hail from the right or the left, they are a propaganda tool usually favoured by the fringes that lurk on both extremes of the political equation…. the pattern is predictable and it’s usually a study in logical fallacy.

The meme will make an exaggerated observation leading to a sweeping generalization with intent to support the narrative…. and it almost always contains overtones of ridicule. That’s exactly why they only play to the base, never sway opinion and always invite unproductive and accusatory debate.

When queried about this, the author (or purveyor) of the meme will defend its deficiency in logic by making an exaggerated and/or sweeping premise….  like "You are willing to sacrifice lives for dollars.”

It ends with a false conclusion like “you are willing to play God and decide who gets to live.” In short, it kills logical discussion and informed debate in its tracks, and without that, you end up with what you currently have and only the prospect of more of the same to look forward to. 

The true irony here, is that no one reading this thread will bother to look at the Covid19 rules in Michigan to determine if there was excessive government overreach or draconian enforcement measures at the heart of protest. It's actuallythe only real issue (in this sidebar) and the only item worthy of the discussion that will never take place.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, deicer said:

So you are acknowledging that you are willing to sacrifice lives for dollars.

It's not brainwashing, it's the reality of the situation.  I would hope you would understand the science behind why we are collectively where we are.  However you profess to know better.

You are willing to play God and decide who gets to live?

Re are you willing to play god re who gets to live.  In all respect that is what our medical professionals do every day. Some of us on this forum, who had been on the front lines, may have done the same, I have not but I have seen it in practice... It happens around the clock in our nations Emergency Rooms, and those who deal with emergency accident care outside of hospitals.   It is called "Triage" and it is part and parcel of front line medical care.  If you think otherwise you need to shake your head, welcome to the real world.

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15 minutes ago, Marshall said:

If you think otherwise you need to shake your head, welcome to the real world.

One thing at a time, small steps....

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10 hours ago, Marshall said:

Re are you willing to play god re who gets to live.  In all respect that is what our medical professionals do every day. Some of us on this forum, who had been on the front lines, may have done the same, I have not but I have seen it in practice... It happens around the clock in our nations Emergency Rooms, and those who deal with emergency accident care outside of hospitals.   It is called "Triage" and it is part and parcel of front line medical care.  If you think otherwise you need to shake your head, welcome to the real world.

You are 100% correct!  It is our medical professionals who do it every day.  They and the scientists trying to find a cure are the ones who should be leading the process of restarting the economy.  Not the uneducated leaders who profess to be the best at doing everything.

What you are seeing is the backlash against the U.S. government.  Only it is being deflected by lies as a problem from the left.

Just estimating, but the U.S. has thrown close to $3 Trillion dollars at the problem so far.  How much of that has actually made it to the people?  $1200?  Who has been getting the rest?  

Government is by the people, for the people, but as I keep repeating, right now the system is corporate socialism and public capitalism.  The people's taxes are not being used for the benefit of the people.  

The biggest measure of that is once this is over just wait to see how badly 'profits' are affected and how quickly they rebound.

One only has to look to post 9/11 and 2008 to see how it repeats.

 

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11 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

Although likely inadvertent, you’ve aptly illustrated why I don’t like memes.

Whether they hail from the right or the left, they are a propaganda tool usually favoured by the fringes that lurk on both extremes of the political equation…. the pattern is predictable and it’s usually a study in logical fallacy.

The meme will make an exaggerated observation leading to a sweeping generalization with intent to support the narrative…. and it almost always contains overtones of ridicule. That’s exactly why they only play to the base, never sway opinion and always invite unproductive and accusatory debate.

When queried about this, the author (or purveyor) of the meme will defend its deficiency in logic by making an exaggerated and/or sweeping premise….  like "You are willing to sacrifice lives for dollars.”

It ends with a false conclusion like “you are willing to play God and decide who gets to live.” In short, it kills logical discussion and informed debate in its tracks, and without that, you end up with what you currently have and only the prospect of more of the same to look forward to. 

The true irony here, is that no one reading this thread will bother to look at the Covid19 rules in Michigan to determine if there was excessive government overreach or draconian enforcement measures at the heart of protest. It's actuallythe only real issue (in this sidebar) and the only item worthy of the discussion that will never take place.

 

 

 

Interesting that you only don't like memes that come from a left leaning perspective.  Why don't you carry on about the more numerous memes that swing right wing on this forum?

Putting that deflection aside, again, would you be willing to put your family and friends in a situation where returning to 'normal' is more important that following the advice of scientists and doctors?

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19 minutes ago, deicer said:

 

Putting that deflection aside, again, would you be willing to put your family and friends in a situation where returning to 'normal' is more important that following the advice of scientists and doctors?

I don't have nearly the same respect as you, apparently, do for the "class" of scientists and doctors.  Certainly there are some scientists and doctors that I do respect but, ironically perhaps, they aren't the ones in the positions of power.  Do you trust Dr. Tam?  Not me.  Now, it's not that I doubt her ability to be able to understand and interpret what's going on it's that I doubt her ability to actually espouse sound principles from her embedded positions within the government and the WHO.

Part of this is a "lowest common denominator" problem.  Let me give an example;  there'a mechanical problem with the aircraft that's going to take an hour to fix.  We'd like to let the pax off to grab a coffee and sandwich but if you do, saying it will be an hour, 25% will go outside for a smoke and 25% will go to the bar and we'll end up waiting for them to come back.  So, you can let the pax off telling them it will be 30 minutes (so they come back in time) or keep them on saying the delay will be short - in both cases you must provide an untruth in order to manage the pax.  Some of the more intelligent, experienced and able passengers will know they are being managed and will resent it.  So this is what I see from scientists and doctors working from within the system - I see them "managing" the population rather than providing the truth.  This is where the protests and anti-government sentiment comes from.

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26 minutes ago, deicer said:

Interesting that you only don't like memes that come from a left leaning perspective. 

You haven't been paying attention then, that's another huge factor in the propaganda and misinformation process. In truth though, I consider most of the stuff from the right to be just silly while a lot of the left side stuff actually seems a bit dangerous to me. Both only play to the base, but regardless, my point to both camps in the stupid meme competition is that it's so bloody easy even I can do it:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mask-issues-alberta-1.5537345

So, based on this article, I could easily write another one that suggests most health care workers in Canada are white and this is nothing more than a disturbing case of white privilege. But it wouldn’t be true.

I could assert that the union’s position is dangerously racist, xenophobic, endangers visible minorities, and that union leaders require immediate sensitivity training. But it wouldn’t be true.

I could make the case that their demands to nationalize the production of essential PPE items is indicative of the scourge of ultra nationalism and the exclusive domain of white supremacists. But it wouldn’t be true.

Then, armed with the legitimacy rendered by the written word, I could create an insulting meme and post it to an online forum, share it on social media and attach it to the bottom of my article. And poof, as if by magic, it suddenly becomes true to those predisposed to believe such nonsense in the first place. 

To be clear, and with apologies to those who have heard this before, 10 word memes, regardless of source, that use ridicule and sweeping generalizations in an attempt to provide simplistic solutions to complex problems, not only fail to do so.... they detract from the issue at hand. 

 I see no profit in continuing this... fire at will.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, seeker said:

I don't have nearly the same respect as you, apparently, do for the "class" of scientists and doctors.  Certainly there are some scientists and doctors that I do respect but, ironically perhaps, they aren't the ones in the positions of power.  Do you trust Dr. Tam?  Not me.  Now, it's not that I doubt her ability to be able to understand and interpret what's going on it's that I doubt her ability to actually espouse sound principles from her embedded positions within the government and the WHO.

Part of this is a "lowest common denominator" problem.  Let me give an example;  there'a mechanical problem with the aircraft that's going to take an hour to fix.  We'd like to let the pax off to grab a coffee and sandwich but if you do, saying it will be an hour, 25% will go outside for a smoke and 25% will go to the bar and we'll end up waiting for them to come back.  So, you can let the pax off telling them it will be 30 minutes (so they come back in time) or keep them on saying the delay will be short - in both cases you must provide an untruth in order to manage the pax.  Some of the more intelligent, experienced and able passengers will know they are being managed and will resent it.  So this is what I see from scientists and doctors working from within the system - I see them "managing" the population rather than providing the truth.  This is where the protests and anti-government sentiment comes from.

You don't have to trust Dr. Tam.  However by saying such you are admitting that you don't trust the science that is leading to the conclusion of this pandemic.

Don't listen to what the Canadian leaders are saying if you are biased, however, they are following the same science and recommendations of other countries that are starting to come out of this, such as Germany, South Korea, Australia.

That's why I feel it is good to listen to the global perspective, except for the U.S., on how to deal with this.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/the-exit-strategy-how-countries-around-the-world-are-preparing-for-life-after-covid-19

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17 minutes ago, deicer said:

However by saying such you are admitting that you don't trust the science that is leading to the conclusion of this pandemic.

 

Yeah, well, the question is who's "science".

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33 minutes ago, deicer said:

However by saying such you are admitting that you don't trust the science that is leading to the conclusion of this pandemic.

Faith in Science went out the window the day Climate Alarmism and having 67 genders was considered as “Science”. If you plant the seeds of delusion, expect delusion .

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19 hours ago, deicer said:

Then don't be surprised if you end up prematurely dead.

There is a huge body of water that separates people who recklessly flout the law and the inflexible enforcers... It's called the Gulf of Reasonableness; the waters are warm and blue, take the plunge. 

 

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On 4/19/2020 at 8:01 AM, seeker said:

I don't have nearly the same respect as you, apparently, do for the "class" of scientists and doctors.  Certainly there are some scientists and doctors that I do respect but, ironically perhaps, they aren't the ones in the positions of power.  Do you trust Dr. Tam?  Not me.  Now, it's not that I doubt her ability to be able to understand and interpret what's going on it's that I doubt her ability to actually espouse sound principles from her embedded positions within the government and the WHO.

Part of this is a "lowest common denominator" problem.  Let me give an example;  there'a mechanical problem with the aircraft that's going to take an hour to fix.  We'd like to let the pax off to grab a coffee and sandwich but if you do, saying it will be an hour, 25% will go outside for a smoke and 25% will go to the bar and we'll end up waiting for them to come back.  So, you can let the pax off telling them it will be 30 minutes (so they come back in time) or keep them on saying the delay will be short - in both cases you must provide an untruth in order to manage the pax.  Some of the more intelligent, experienced and able passengers will know they are being managed and will resent it.  So this is what I see from scientists and doctors working from within the system - I see them "managing" the population rather than providing the truth.  This is where the protests and anti-government sentiment comes from.

You are absolutely correct but the people are being managed to save them from their own stupidity.  Unfortunately there is a lot of it going around.

My preference, if there is a protest, is to move out all support, police and health care workers to other jurisdictions and let evolution decide.  If you don't want the help they why should resources be spent to provide it.  People have options.  Let the naysayers roam free and deal with the consequences.   You would very quickly see the target of the protests change to "why is the government not doing anything".

Listen to the experts the message from private and public experts alike is very close to identical.  It is the fringe "experts" that drive the stupidity

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Fox News had a guy on that apparently conducted a study at Stanford University and proved the 100% efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine against Covid-19.  Caused quite a stir especially with Trump.

Problem was they guy, who looked like a c- average meth head in the interview, was NOT part of Stanford, Did not work with Stanford and Stanford didn't even know who he was.

besides any study that finds that kind of result is a fantasy and also would have taken well over a year to conduct and compile.

You talk of Memes as propaganda when the larges propaganda machine is on your 60" flat screen every night lowering the collective IQ of the populace.

 

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Found on the net......

 

“ Dear China

Sorry China, but you are off my bucket list and I will avoid your products as much as possible.

Your cruel politics, your insidious poisoning of our food, your raping of our oceans, your disgusting and unacceptable eating habits, your communistic ways, the way you control people with facial recognition, your slave trade in factories, your corrupt ways of taking over countries, your unfair 'Zero Tourism Dollar' business model, which you burden countries with, your endless cash businesses where we know you don’t pay taxes, your invasion of poorer countries to exploit their resources is unbearable to watch.

You are skinning donkeys in Africa for ‘beauty products’, fleecing the ocean of sea life because it’s ‘free’ and you don’t have to replace it, taking over small businesses in Africa to eventually dominate, (always cash??), buying into poorer countries mining sectors and taking over the water and dairy industries in Australia.

I wonder what your representation and value is worth in each country now?

I feel sorry for your citizens. You have shamed them in front of the entire world and I hope you pay dearly for what you have done to this planet.

We have heard not one word of apology to the people of this planet. You have lied, concealed the truth and have the World Health Organisation on your payroll. So how do we believe ANYTHING they say anymore?

China, my china, you also sell rubbish around the world. Your food is fake, you poison seafood with fillers, you poison baby formula even, you are selling inferior medical products now amid a crises to further exacerbate this disease you either are complicit in creating or deliberately disseminating it into hotspots to create an unstable world so you can swoop in and finally win the war you have been waging silently with the world.

Our wildlife China, your demand for exotic species has decimated our first inhabitants of this planet. Our rhinos, lions, elephants and pangolins for gods sake. WHAT WON'T YOU EAT???

China is a Marxist, communistic country that has no feelings or compassion for any other country. Your treatment of people who choose a religion is abhorrent.

For these reasons I believe the International community should withdraw their support of anything Chinese to show this smarmy smiling leader that the world has had enough of this behavior.

This virus that was born of your country and has grown at an astonishing rate has decimated the lives of good people around the world and NOT ONE WORD TO SAY HOW YOU ARE GOING TO REPAY OR REPAIR THE DAMAGE.

Yet you, a communist country who controls your poor citizens through the lens of millions of facial recognition cameras making them accountable for even the smallest of deeds.

Yet you, China are wanting to sneakily slip through your deviousness without detection.

That is why, life will never be the same. Because of China.

PS: TRUMP YOU WERE RIGHT ON THIS ONE.

Before you look at the price of things, just wonder if it is worth ever giving China your money. 🤨

Regards

Gillian
A **bleep** Off Citizen of the Blue Planet.

--Udayshini Iyer

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Someone who was so inclined could write up a big list of all the disgusting, immoral and unethical things done by western countries and peoples - won't be me though (too lazy).

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