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Liberals pull plug on decade-old plan to move elite Joint Task Force 2 unit

Tue Feb 11, 2020 - The Globe and Mail
Lee Berthiaume

The federal Liberal government is pulling the plug on a decade-old plan to move the military’s elite Joint Task Force 2 to a new base, ending years of speculation and uncertainty for the commando unit’s members and their families.

The decision, announced Monday by Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan in response to a question from The Canadian Press, comes despite the previous Conservative government’s having spent millions acquiring land for a new facility near Canadian Forces Base Trenton in Ontario.

“In the changing global security environment, we remain focused on making sure that the Canadian special forces are equipped to deal with these challenges,” Mr. Sajjan said in an e-mailed statement.

“I want to assure those who are serving with JTF2 and their families that we have no plans to move this facility out of Ottawa.”

While the minister did not provide reasons for the decision, defence officials have previously spoken of a desire to keep JTF2, whose primary role is counterterror missions in Canada and abroad, close to Ottawa to guard against terrorist attacks.

There have also been reports that the cost of the new base had skyrocketed in recent years, with Postmedia quoting internal Defence Department documents from 2016 as saying the price had more than tripled from $364-million to $1.2-billion.

The previous Conservative government first decided to move the super secretive unit from its Dwyer Hill base west of Ottawa to a new location next to CFB Trenton in 2007.

The Conservatives at the time felt having the commando unit close to an airport – CFB Trenton has the Canadian Armed Forces’ busiest airfield – would improve its ability to respond quickly to domestic and international emergencies.

Ottawa bought property north of CFB Trenton but ran into fierce opposition from one farmer whose ultimately unsuccessful fight to keep his 90-hectare farm made headlines. The government eventually expropriated Frank Meyers’s land; he died last year.

The government has not said how much it spent on the more than 200 hectares purchased for the move, but officials have pegged the total in the millions of dollars.

Despite years of effort, however, the move never happened. The issue hung over the military and JTF2, even as members of the unit deployed to places such as Iraq to help in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

Defence officials would later cite concerns about “lone wolf” terrorist attacks as one reason for keeping JTF2 close to Ottawa. One such attack in October, 2014, saw an ISIL sympathizer kill Corporal Nathan Cirillo in front of the National War Memorial before storming Parliament.

Reports about the new facility’s escalating costs also raised questions about the feasibility of relocating the unit.

Major-General Peter Dawe, the commander of Canadian Special Operations Forces Command, which includes JTF2, said in an interview last week that he was still awaiting word on whether the unit would move.

While commanders had been able to minimize any impact on the unit caused by the uncertainty, Maj-Gen. Dawe added, “a decision would be welcome.”

The Defence Department has not said what it will do with the land that was purchased near CFB Trenton, although officials have suggested it could be used for training or to store ammunition.


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Interesting position Trudeau has got the country into by free and open consent with indigenous high profile indigenous lawyer is implying that means any and will that work???.....the country will gradually grind to a halt ...witness the cn rail blockade and now a takeover of a former MPs office in Toronto (symbolic) and the arrests in B.C. for ignoring an injunction. The AFN and band chiefs don’t mean anything as long as individuals and fringe groups can control the show.


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Rex Murphy: This is the outcome of Justin Trudeau's disastrous sloganeering ( Much like Don Cherry, I wonder how much longer Rex will remain a CBC  broadcaster)

“ words from this government are like fairground balloons: they float upwards because they are so light. If there were a carbon tax on platitudes, this government would be broke. “

This government has been content to drift on the expression of fine sentiments, to earn the lazy applause that comes from saying the right things — such as on climate change and now on Aboriginal discontent. These two issued are now intertwined. Opposition to a pipeline is the flash point of a crisis that’s expanding outward to engulf the whole country. And as the blockades swell and continue, discontent in the Western provinces grows.

There are two great winds astir in Canada, and it will take far more than slogans to calm them.

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1 hour ago, Jaydee said:

This is the outcome of Justin Trudeau's disastrous sloganeering

Well ya. 

The most worrisome thing to me is that people seem surprised by the developments. 

I stand in awe..... it's like talking to people at the range, what did you think was going to happen here? He said he was going to go after your AR15 and handguns, it was a bloody election promise, was anyone paying attention?  

It's like, did you like think he was like totally kidding like? 

PS. I think this author has it mostly right except I don't blame Trudeau, he is what he is and he never tried to conceal it. The blame lies solely with the voters and no where else.

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4 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

Well ya. 

The most worrisome thing to me is that people seem surprised by the developments. 

I stand in awe..... it's like talking to people at the range, what did you think was going to happen here? He said he was going to go after your AR15 and handguns, it was a bloody election promise, was anyone paying attention?  

It's like, did you like think he was like totally kidding like? 

PS. I think this author has it mostly right except I don't blame Trudeau, he is what he is and he never tried to conceal it. The blame lies solely with the voters and no where else.

Living here in the blameless West, I can see we are indeed a country divided.,  I wonder how Quebec will react to the CN layoffs only in Montreal. 😀

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Who lives the life of privilege?

The Leader of the Conservative Party is under fire again, this time for his comments telling Indigenous Canadians and protesters to “check their privilege.” Scheer was initially blasted for the racist undertones of his comments. Perry Bellegarde, National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations, took Scheer to task for the absurdity of his photo-op moment.

👋🇨🇦Conservatives who support Andrew Scheer🇨🇦👋

‘We have to clarify [Andrew Scheer’s] statement.
is it the privilege of 1200 missing murdered indigenous woman & girls that Mr. Scheer was referring to?

You can’t make statements that pit groups of people against groups of people

— BabyAlbertaYoda (@SpunkyAlternate) February 16, 2020


Others pointed out the hypocrisy of Scheer making such comments given the privileged and affluent life he enjoys.


Check your privilege. Andrew Scheer is a taxpayer trust fund millionaire who lives in a 34 room mansion with cooks, drivers, maids, and other taxpayer funded staff. He has earned over $6M+ in wages and gold plated taxpayer funded pension. A life of privilege. #cdnpoli #cdnmedia

— Neil Before Zod™ (@WaytowichNeil) February 14, 2020

Andrew Scheer says protesters need to "check their privilege".
And then he says "excuse me, I need to call my chauffeur to pick up my kids at their private school and bring them home to our free rental so our chef can cook them a light lunch of quail and chocolate milk."

— (Fake) Pastor Dino Den Esau,BOOMER LIKE UR GRAMPA! (@DinoRancho) February 14, 2020


Now Scheer is in hot water again after his party refused to disclose how he expensed $925,000 in party funds, $700,000 over-budget. There are allegations he used these funds to pay for his children’s private schooling. Renewed attention to Scheer’s expense scandal resulted in many Canadians pointing out the hypocrisy. 


First you tell someone else to check their privilege . . . and now you're going on about outrageous spending?

It's kinda like a blind driver screaming at other people to stay in their lane, no?

— Barney Panofsky's Best Intentions (@mynamesnotgordy) February 17, 2020

So the guy that told First Nation people to check their privilege was checking out on a slush fund of 925k from Conservative donors?
You can't make this up.

— Charlie Angus NDP (@CharlieAngusNDP) February 17, 2020

Guess someone needed to check their privilege.

Better yet, Harper was the fund manager. Where's Wright? 😂😂😂

Senior Cons seething over Conservative Fund’s refusal to share #Scheer’s $700,000 over-budget expense details with national council#cdnpoli

— Citizen_Forward (@ThePhotowagon) February 18, 2020

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13 hours ago, deicer said:

Who lives the life of privilege?

University students and those who have never left the vacation circuit seem blissfuly unaware that they are the most privileged group in human history. I love it when the privileged disparage the very privilege they are privileged to enjoy.   

 In terms of the current debacle, we have this little thing called the constitution and it outlines who can do what and when they can do it. It's a concept those lacking "privilege" envy, and those who posses privilege rail against. 

As I've said before, great civilizations are NEVER murdered, they wilfully commit suicide, and those who tie the noose profess the virtue of their politics as they fashion the loop. Has it ever been otherwise?

Tell a soldier where the landmines are and he will build a fence and walk around them. Tell a liberal where they are and he will don ear defenders, heavy boots and stomp his feet until he finds one; he will then complain about MEDEVAC response times and label the roll IV trauma centre systemically racist. 


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19 hours ago, Fido said:

Does anyone else just page down when they see a post by Deicer?

It's easier than that, you just hit the ignore posts by deicer button and life returns to normal.

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Alberta pushes to kill Liberal plan to enshrine UN declaration on Indigenous rights

Mon Feb 24 21:10:04 EST 2020

OTTAWA—Justin Trudeau, blamed by the Conservative Opposition for economic damage caused by rail blockades and Teck Resources’ decision to kill a massive oilsands project, faces new calls from Alberta to ditch plans to enshrine the UN declaration on rights of Indigenous peoples in Canadian law.

Ottawa and Alberta traded accusations Monday over their respective economic and climate action — or inaction — plans.

Now a new battlefront may be looming — one that will again test Trudeau’s ability to triangulate the Liberal government’s commitment to reconciliation with Indigenous people, his promise to accommodate environmentalists’ concerns about energy projects, and to “transition” Canada’s economy to a cleaner, greener posture without killing the oil and gas sector.

Alberta Premier Jason Kenney was furious Monday about what he said is a failure by Trudeau’s government to chart a clear path for companies like Teck Resources to develop energy projects.

And he is privately warning that a promised law to enact UN principles and protections for Indigenous peoples’ rights would only serve to introduce more uncertainty for investors.

At a news conference in which he lamented Teck Resources’ decision to abandon the proposed Frontier oilsands mine on Saturday, Kenney hailed his own court victory in Alberta’s fight against Trudeau’s carbon pricing scheme.

The Alberta Court of Appeal ruled Monday in favour of Alberta’s challenge of the federal carbon pricing plan. The 4-1 ruling called it an unconstitutional overreach into provincial areas of responsibility.

The federal Liberal government, on the other hand, insisted it will defend its carbon levy at the country’s top court next month, and is confident it will be upheld. Two other appeal courts, in Saskatchewan and Ontario have validated the federal carbon pricing plan, agreeing with the Trudeau government’s argument that climate change requires federal leadership.

Kenney slammed Trudeau’s government for allowing “urban green left zealots” to slam the door on economic opportunities for Indigenous people, and to mount protests to the oil and gas sector that he said vetoed a number of energy projects.

He listed the 2017 cancellation of Petronas’ Pacific Northwest liquefied natural gas project in B.C., the withdrawal of Trans-Canada’s Energy East pipeline proposal, the federal decision to disallow the Northern Gateway project and now Teck as examples of projects doomed by federal policy failures.

“I’ve been on the phone with major investors with whom we have been working over the past several months … who have cancelled, frozen and suspended major projected investments in our economy because of the massive uncertainty created by appearance of anarchy in parts of this country,” Kenney said.

“We need national leadership to ensure that Canada is a country characterized by the rule of law,” Kenney said.

The federal Liberals, on the other hand, pointed the finger at Kenney’s government for failing to enact a credible climate action regulatory plan, and quoting Teck Resources’ letter that announced the company was abandoning the project. Teck said it supported carbon pricing and other action, but added “until governments can reach agreement around how climate policy considerations will be addressed in the context of future responsible energy sector development … it will be very difficult to attract future investment, either domestic or foreign.”

Kenney said “Alberta will do its part” to avoid crises like rail blockades, announcing the immediate tabling of a bill to protect critical infrastructure that would provide new stiff penalties for anyone who “riots on or seeks to impair” infrastructure including rails in Alberta.

Kenney said First Nations groups should be “partners in prosperity,” and underscored that his government was able to reach revenue-sharing agreements with Indigenous communities including on Saturday, with the two First Nations closest to Teck’s now defunct Frontier Mine proposal.

Kenney has urged Trudeau to drop the plan for legislation to enshrine the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (or UNDRIP), and the Alberta premier also raised it last Thursday during the all-premiers conference call with Trudeau. He has since reached out to Quebec Premier François Legault for support, a source with knowledge of the discussion told the Star.

Legault is said to agree the legislation should be delayed, however Legault’s office did not respond to requests for comment.

Kenney said the Liberal government had to be “very careful” to avoid entrenching in Canadian law “the UNDRIP veto” — or what some Indigenous activists believe is a veto over land development.

Other legal experts such as University of Victoria law professor John Burrows, who is Anishinabe and holds the Canada Research Chair in Indigenous Law, say the UN document does not contain a veto.

The UN declaration underlines Indigenous rights to protect their culture, identity, religion, language, health, education and community.

It says: “Indigenous peoples have the right to redress” either by restitution or “just, fair and equitable compensation, for the lands, territories and resources which they have traditionally owned or otherwise occupied or used, and which have been confiscated, taken, occupied, used or damaged without their free, prior and informed consent.”

Kenney believes any attempt to implement the United Nations declaration will only add new and greater uncertainty at a time when Canadian courts are finally starting to provide clarity about what the “duty to consult” means in Canadian constitutional law, said an insider privy to the discussions.

On Feb. 4, the Federal Court of Appeal ruled against a challenge by several Indigenous nations to the Trans-Mountain pipeline expansion plan, saying the federal Liberal government had met its duty to consult. Ottawa had expanded consultations in response to an earlier ruling in August 2018. The federal appeal court this month said that the duty to consult and accommodate Indigenous concerns “does not guarantee outcomes.”

It ruled that consultations must be meaningful, but do not amount to a veto: “The law is clear that no such veto exists.”

For its part, the Liberal government says it campaigned on the promise to implement UNDRIP, and still intends to table a bill soon.

Justice Minister David Lametti repeated that promise Monday in the Commons.

However Trudeau and Lametti are deliberately vague on exactly what the federal Liberal bill would set out.

A senior government official with knowledge of the government’s plans told the Star the Trudeau government had been looking at B.C.’s legislation — the first in Canada — to see how it is working.

The B.C. government says its legislation sets out a process to align B.C.’s laws with the UN Declaration and mandates government to bring provincial laws into harmony with the UN Declaration.

The federal official said the federal government’s bill has a similarly wide-ranging goal.

“It touches methodology and substance. It has no less a goal than to try and re-establish the proper place of Indigenous peoples in a society. So it’s about the method in which Indigenous peoples are incorporated into the larger body politic. So that’s a lofty goal.

“It also has substantive goals, about how the rights that Indigenous peoples have with respect to land and territory, with respect to their practices, with respect to the environment and resource management, with respect to the way in which the — for lack of a better term — the profits of resources are distributed. So it’s about justice. It’s about equity. It’s about the symbolic role. It’s about all of that.”

The government had decided to back a private member’s bill in the last parliament introduced by Romeo Saganash, but it died in the senate before the last election dissolved parliament.

However Kenney and Conservative leader Andrew Scheer believe Trudeau’s “weak leadership” is effectively granting a veto.

Scheer spoke to Trudeau on the phone Monday, and said he told the prime minister his “weakness and fear in dealing with his left-wing caucus and radical activists forced him to kill this project through delay and by constantly moving the goalposts.”

On Monday, Trudeau defended his government’s record, and said it was the Conservative Opposition and its provincial allies who are driving investment away by refusing to develop a credible climate action plan.

“Global investors have indicated that they need to see strong action on climate change. Canadians from coast to coast to coast want to see good jobs, but want to see stronger action on climate change. It is only the Conservative Party of Canada and its provincial counterparts that are standing against climate action and hurting our economy and jobs because of it.”

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Here is the most accurate snapshot of where Canada is after the election....

Gee, it's almost like politicians on the right are consistently lying to us when they pretend to be about fiscal responsibility.

Doug Ford outspends Kathleen Wynne.…/doug-fords-ontario-gov…

Jason Kenney grows Alberta's deficit by billions.…/guest-column-did-you-know-th…/

Stephen Harper rapidly turned surplus into deficit and grew absurd amounts of new national debt.…/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers…/

Trump increased US national debt by three trillion and counting.…



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The beginning of the end of Canada’s high living standards

Nature abhors a vacuum and so does free enterprise and democracies. And Canada is about to show why.

This week, Canada’s massive megaproject, Teck Resources’ giant oil sands mine in Alberta, was obliterated — the biggest casualty of the #ShutDownCanada movement that’s been building and hurting the economy and country’s reputation.

The significance is not so much about a single project. It is the beginning of Canada’s irreversible economic decline caused by the anti-enterprise policies of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s regime.

This week Canada’s living standards peaked. The absence of smart political leadership, or an understanding as to how the country prospers, has atomized the national interest into thousands of vested, warring interests.

Ironically, Teck pulled the plug on the project late on a Sunday night just hours after getting approvals from 14 First Nations communities and after spending nine years’ and $1.1 billion in development preparation. Why now?


The deal was not scrapped due to concern about emissions because Teck is deeply in the emissions business as a huge coal and metals and oil sands producer. The deal was not nixed because of concern about low oil prices because long-term price projections have not changed dramatically. The deal was not killed because of aboriginal issues, because affected First Nations had signed off. And it was not abruptly ended due to concerns that Trudeau and his cabinet would reject the project this week.

Teck pulled the plug because Canada is now an untenable political risk. It no longer matters who does or doesn’t approve resource and infrastructure projects. They simply cannot be finished.

Canada, in other words, is not worth the risk. And that means living standards will fall, capital and jobs will continue to leave, and the country’s million-strong and restive Indigenous people, among other Canadians, face diminishing opportunities.

Put another way, even if Ottawa approved the project, Teck had no political cover. For the past five years, Trudeau and British Columbia’s NDP-Green regime have piled on obstructions, permitted endless court challenges, allowed illegal railway or road barricades, acceded to NGO and Indigenous misbehavior, and frightened away billions of dollars’ worth of investment.

Even Teck, a proud Canadian company, gets it, and has joined the ranks of foreign giants who have walked away from Canada, or delayed plans indefinitely. This is the tipping point. Teck did not spend nine years developing a project only to walk away at the last minute. But since the re-election of the Liberals, the idiocy of the NDP and Greens federally and provincially, and an absentee prime minister unable to staunch protests, there was no other choice.

No one is privy to Teck’s board minutes, but proceeding with its oil sands project — even if given the nod by the Liberals — would have opened up the company and its shareholders to permanent harassment, legal challenges, and attacks on its other mining operations, infrastructure, and reputation.

This is the beginning of the end of the resource base that underpins living standards, thanks to those who slavishly follow a climate change agreement so flawed that the world’s biggest polluters are not required to curb emission and that doesn’t credit Canada with the fact it has one of the world’s highest rates of trees per capita.

When the history of this period is written the Liberals, NDP, and Greens, plus United Nations zealots and non-transparent NGOs, will be the villains. Also to blame will be the political culture dominated by people who haven’t a clue as to what provides jobs or pays the nation’s bills.

This week a tragedy happened. It was not about Teck. It was about the future of Alberta and Saskatchewan within Canada. And it was about how the vacuum at the top represents an existential threat to all Canadians.



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Word is getting out to the world how screwed up Canada is....


At the forefront is a conflict first sparked over indigenous opposition to a natural gas pipeline project, that has now evolved to include broader complex issues like indigenous governance and indigenous rights.

It has led to rail blockades and protests that have crippled rail lines and disrupted the flow of the country's economy. 

Those events have underscored a pressure point for Mr Trudeau - he has struggled to deliver on his promise to chart a path for Canada that balances oil and gas development, environmental stewardship and indigenous reconciliation. 

Here are five reasons why the current unrest is a big deal.

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4 hours ago, Jaydee said:


And politically motivated (ie agenda driven) folk have been promising to tax the 1% since 54 BC.

On that front, we have a record of failure that stands in excess of 2000 years. People who talk about funding new endeavours by taxing the 1% (IMO) fall into 3 categories:

1. Those who seek power and are lying to get it, (they know they're lying and don't care):

2. Those with an agenda who use it as marketing tool to support the first group (they think of it as "possible" but they know it's a ploy); and

3. People blissfully unaware of the history (who place their faith in the first two) and can be persuaded. Some of these folks get promoted to type 2 status.

IMO, of the three, the number 2s are the most dangerous. Liars will always get caught in their own snares and people (the number 3s) can read their own history and become dismayed by it in the process..... but, deliberate deceit, coupled with a strong propaganda machine and zealot-like beliefs are difficult to deter in the age of "opinion."  The number 2s become the servants of the number 1s and ply their shared religion on the number 3s.

Once the number 3s see they've been duped (ie. their electric bills become stratospheric), they will support fiscal restraint but at that point, the short term costs required to extract the government from the previous bad deals (contracts etc) become onerous and expensive (I offer Ontario's green energy plan as an example). At this point, the number 2s will begin shouting "look, see, I told ya.... they lied to you and they're spending more than what you voted my guy out for spending."

The number 3s don't do the required research and buy into the rhetoric. The cycle repeats, the deficit increases, and in a world that provides opinion pieces to support virtually any position (including that the world is flat), polarization becomes the norm. People stop thinking for themselves, they stop defending their own beliefs and rely completely on the opinions of others. The war of links and memes on this very forum serves as an example. If you are unwilling to answer questions about your opinion, your opinion is worthless (at least to me) and you likely fall into the category of being unwilling to pay for the values you profess. Flatly refusing to articulate (in general terms) what you want to see cut to hit climate accord targets is a prime example... there are many others.   

With this much history to draw from, the continuous cycle should resonate with people..... yet history shows that it never does. When I see people building homemade rafts and undertaking perilous journeys to escape capitalism, I might buy into some of the rhetoric. In the mean time, a short conversation with refugees from Zimbabwe, Cuba, or Venezuela might prove instructive for some folks. If you want to watch it all happen again in real time, turn your attention to South Africa.

The US isn't there yet, Bernie doesn't resonate with the majority of 3s.... that's why the Demonrats are sharpening their knives and spinning their webs.


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What a coincidence that all these trains are derailing all of a sudden. Could it be ???

Freight train derails near Prince George, B.C., triggering school evacuation.

An elementary school had to be evacuated Thursday morning after a major train derailment in a small central B.C. community.

The CN freight train derailed near Giscome, which is about 40 kilometres east of Prince George and next to Eaglet Lake, at around 10 a.m. PT.


Approximately 20 railcars went off the tracks, according to CN. It is not clear what the train was carrying, but the company says there were a variety of different products.  

Catherine Kendall was driving her children to town from their home on a nearby farm when they came upon the scene of crumpled, twisted rail cars. She described the wreckage as "un-freaking-believable" in an interview with CBC News.

"My concern was the kids," Kendall said.


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Trudeau's Economic Recovery Plan......


A golfer walks into the pro shop at the golf club and asks the golf pro if they sell ball markers.

The golf pro says they do, and they are $1.00.

The guy gives the golf pro a dollar.

The golf pro opens the register, puts the dollar in, and hands him a dime to use as the marker.

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