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1 hour ago, 330Heavy said:

I'm too lazy this afternoon to look up an article I read earlier today/yesterday, however, I'm sure most of you read about the reason of having Freeland as finance minister.  Which is to move along Canada's "recovery" in a green fashion which removes the country of dependance on tar sands (or althogether).  I get a laugh at when the socialist claim about of x jobs will be created.  But they never say at what cost of xxx amount of jobs will be lost.


If anyone wants a article link, I'll try to find it tomorrow or next time I'm on (sorries)

Welcome to the forum 330. Your input is appreciated.

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Let us know when you buy one.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Everyone is not entitled to their own facts.  Alberta oil is cleaner than the oil we will import in it's place.  It's also more ethical, from a human right

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We will go through the same misguided excercise nationally that we did in Ontario courtesy of butts and telfords green energy plan......thousands of clean jobs created while eliminating carbon from our electricity truth the jobs never materialized and we still need carbon sources to replace wind and solar in peak periods while our pricing has gone from 3-5c/kwhr to 12.8 (on my last bill).... what a disaster that is.

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18 hours ago, 330Heavy said:

I'm too lazy this afternoon to look up an article I read earlier today/yesterday, however, I'm sure most of you read about the reason of having Freeland as finance minister.  Which is to move along Canada's "recovery" in a green fashion which removes the country of dependance on tar sands (or althogether).  I get a laugh at when the socialist claim about of x jobs will be created.  But they never say at what cost of xxx amount of jobs will be lost.


If anyone wants a article link, I'll try to find it tomorrow or next time I'm on (sorries)

Tar Sands??????  

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Rex Murphy: Trudeau's 'brutal' attempt to use COVID to push his green agenda

An ideological fixation — global warming — is taking over genuine efforts to fix the economy

Author of the article:
Rex Murphy
Publishing date:
Aug 27, 2020  •  Last Updated 2 hours ago  •  4 minute read


The only settled and unchanging characteristic of the global warmist brigade is their overt, continuous and super-hyped hostility toward the oil and gas industry. And in no country is that hostility more manifest than in Canada.

Global Warming Inc., and all its fronts and allies, have made protesting against Canadian oil and gas its full-time occupation. They protest, blockade, clog the courts, propagandize and fundraise against Alberta oil and gas, in particular, and have done so now for three decades.

They have effectively choked the industry’s growth and have hindered the export of our great resource by halting the construction of pipelines that are needed to bring the product to markets outside Canada and the United States.

Nearly four years ago, the same global warmists received a great gift: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who was then attended by his first and most significant aide and mentor, Gerald Butts, a staunch opponent of the oil and gas industry. A great part of the gift was the prime minister’s public embrace of what its advocates call “the fight against global warming.”

Trudeau tied his government to the global cause, made it the subject of boasts in international settings and has been relentless in reminding Canadians that he intends for this country “to be a leader in the fight against climate change.”

While failing to keep his promises on issues such as reconciling with Canada’s First Nations, Trudeau’s crusade to save the world from global warming through the throttling of Canada’s oil and gas industry has remained constant. He has passed legislation designed to hogtie development, and implemented new regulations that work to the same effect. We have had a useless carbon tax imposed on us from up high, without any relief, even during the COVID-19 crisis.

I would wager that there is no other government in the world, democratic or otherwise, that is so intent on doing damage to one of its country’s main industries as the Liberal government in Ottawa. This stance has reawakened Western unrest, worked a real cleavage in the federation and has left those who have lost work, or who are looking for work, in the oil and gas industry, demoralized and angry.

For the past five months, the whole country, like the rest of the world, has endured the anxious and painful efforts to minimize the impact of COVID-19. The most radical measure in that effort — and one that, despite its hardships, was accepted with commendable unanimity by the population — was the almost total shuttering of the Canadian economy.

The economic wreckage wrought by COVID-19 containment has yet to be fully measured, but we know it is vast. Jobs lost, businesses gone under, taxes foregone, unemployment high. Plus, our government is carrying a debt load that will take generations to dissolve.

So if ever there was a time for all Canadian industries — particularly Canadian resource industries, which are the engine of Canada’s economy — to finally be given support, this is emphatically it. But, as those paying attention to government statements on how it plans to address the economic recovery will know, that is not going to be the case.

I quoted our new economic czar, Chrystia Freeland, in my last column, saying, “I think all Canadians understand that the restart of our economy needs to be green.” To which I asked, “Where, oh where, did she pick up that strange understanding?” Maybe this would be true if there were a poll taken on Pluto, assuming a few Canadians are there, but not from the Canadians on the planet we are already familiar with.

There is no basis whatsoever for asserting that all Canadians believe (or want) the recovery to be “green.” What that statement really represents in this government’s grossly cynical attempt to leverage the great health crisis of our time, and the dislocation and anxiety surrounding it, as an instrument to pursue its one unfailing objective:  to blunt, wound and radically downscale our central natural resource industry.

A recent Bloomberg article on the Liberals’ recovery plans makes the pointexplicitly: “One line of thinking says they will go for large-scale investment in renewable energy and other green initiatives selling it as a job-creation package that can help Canada get past its reliance on exporting oil and gas.”

An ideological fixation — global warming — is taking over genuine efforts to fix the economy. It is, to revive one of the most depressing utterances in politics, a perfect example of the maxim, “never let a crisis go to waste.”

It is a brutal thing to put ideology over economic security, over jobs and workers and industries; to use the COVID-19 crisis as an “opportunity” to push a predetermined green and globalist agenda.

A “green” recovery will, if undertaken, be a conflict in terms. It will stall growth, result in vast “investments” of taxpayer money into ventures that will not succeed (see Ontario’s green shift) and, most deplorably, fully radicalize the distemper already felt out West over how the “East” cares nothing for Alberta and the oil-producing provinces. It is wrong-footed. It will not work. And it will rip our country apart.

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21 hours ago, Fido said:

Never trust a Liberal

Why not?  They are paying billions in subsidies to the Alberta oil producers.  And at that, they still can't make money.

Not only that, Alberta itself is paying subsidies, all to foreign owned companies that take the money out of the country.

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2 hours ago, deicer said:


Canada collects zero ?????   Your posts are ridiculous at the best of times, this may be over the top.How on earth do you think Alberta was able to send billions of dollars in transfer payments ??  The great big green money tree ???

$240B in 11 years.

Go outside and get some fresh air, you need to get away from your keyboard.



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And while we’re at it let’s shut down the filthy BC coal industry.......I still haven’t figured out why this continues to float along under the environmentalists radar and climate barbies radar:



Vancouver’s various coal facilities exported 36.8 million tonnes of coal in 2017, according to the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority.

This places the B.C. city well above Norfolk, Virginia, the busiest coal port in the United States. Despite a massive spike in U.S. coal exports for 2017, only 31.5 million tonnes of coal moved out of Norfolk last year.

Vancouver’s coal exports also dwarf the total coal production for the entire country of Mexico. According to data gathered by the U.S. Congressional Research Service, Mexican mines have produced no more than 16 million tonnes of coal per year since 2006.

“Coal production is a mainstay of the province’s economy, generating billions of dollars in annual revenue and supporting thousands of well-paid jobs,” reads the website for B.C.’s Ministry of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources.

Coal is the province’s number one export commodity, with $3.32 billion of coal mined in 2016. Much of this is metallurgical coal, which is exported to Asia for the making of steel.

In recent years, however, Vancouver’s coal ports have also accommodated a massive increase in exports of thermal coal, which is used for the production of electricity.

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The Dark Side of Green Energy

As the world moves away from fossil fuels, we look at how greener energies are creating new environmental challenges.

07 Sep 2020 13:29 GMT Environment, Pollution, Global Warming, Climate Change, Science & Technology

The age of fossil fuel dominance is gradually drawing to a close. Green technologies like wind turbines and solar panels will become increasingly common.

They promise a cleaner environment, free of oil and pollution, and a more prosperous and even peaceful world. They seem to be the ultimate solution in fighting climate change - but every new technology is made from raw materials and minerals. Solar panels, wind turbines and electric cars all require metals, some extremely rare, which must be mined somewhere, creating new pollution.

The Dark Side of Green Energy is about how the world may be creating a huge dependence on rare materials and minerals - and whether the promise of a clean, "green" world will turn out to be a myth with fresh challenges to our society and environment.

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Am I the only one not understanding this post? Why would any government want to improverish their citizens?

If this is the subject, then let's talk about poverty of people in a serious fashion. About the mountains of jobs and business loss in the name of balancing the provinces.  In the long term, where will the other provinces overcome their debt? Wasnt it Alberta, that became one of the first debt free provinces because of the oil? Why is this a bad thing?

If this is about green energy, then I suggest an educated discussion on both parts.

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4 minutes ago, Amelia said:

@Jaydee is this what is happening? Sorry I'm not up on the oil industry. But if so, shameful. 

Hopefully some day we will find a leader like the US to crush these dummy policies.

It is not because of any policy, it is because a pipeline from Alberta was lobbied against, mainly because of angst by some politicians in Quebec.  

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1 minute ago, Marshall said:

It is not because of any policy, it is because a pipeline from Alberta was lobbied against, mainly because of angst by some politicians in Quebec.  

So Canada is not buying oil from Saudi or Venezuela as the cartoon depicts?

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18 minutes ago, Amelia said:

So Canada is not buying oil from Saudi or Venezuela as the cartoon depicts?

It is not federal government policy, it is driven by commerce. The oil in question is, and I stand to be corrected,   purchased by refineries , not the Government of Canada  but of course could be stopped if the Government banned the import of foreign oil, forced acceptance of a pipeline linking Alberta to NS etc etc etc. So I guess you could be right re the policy that allows the oil to be imported.  

Source countries of imports of crude oil to Canada in 2017 were: United States, 65%; Saudi Arabia, 18%; Azerbaijan, 5%; Norway, 3%; Nigeria, 2%.Jul 23, 2020


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Canadian oil company has planted 11 million more trees than Trudeau government

Syncrude is one of the world's largest producers of synthetic crude oil from Canada's oil sands and is the largest single source producer of crude oil in Canada. This year alone the company has been able to cover around 400 hectares with over one million trees and shrubs. “It was tough to do this work during the pandemic, however, safety has always been a top priority at Syncrude and we had the protocols in place to ensure everyone’s health and safety”, Eric Girard, Syncrude’s vegetation specialist told a reporter. 

Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau's government has yet to plant one tree after announcing in September 2019 that they'd plant two billion in just ten years. 

The promise coincidentally came on the same day that Trudeau was set to meet Greta Thunberg.

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Coalition rejects Liberals green recovery plan, come up with their own

The Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada isn’t buying the Liberals’ Task Force for Resilient Recovery.

Especially since CCMBC, a grassroots business group that formed four years ago, claims the plan is by the same architects behind Ontario’s Green Energy Act from former Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne.

So CCMBC advisors and board members held a zoom press conference a day ahead of Wednesday’s federal Throne Speech to announce their own recovery plan.


(We’re) positively alarmed by the direction things seemed to be heading,” said Catherine Swift, also an economist and former President of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

“They’re basically asking for $55 billion and change from taxpayers to install this so-called Green Recovery on the country. The major concern, of course, is that absolutely every indication, all the facts show, what an abject failure the Green Energy Act was in Ontario. How it drove away businesses, drove away jobs, hurt average citizens.”

The CCMBC’s on six-point plan consists of:

– Cutting public spending, not expanding it.

– Moving away from arbitrary emission reduction targets, currently “zero emissions” by 2050.

– Getting back to work by studying the places that have opened up successfully amid COVID-19 and adapting their practices.

– Reducing the regulations on businesses, particularly in the resource sector including multiple carbon taxes and the proposed plastics ban.

– Making sure critical supply chain items are made in Canada.

– Acknowledging and celebrating the contribution of Canada’s resource sector to the economy.

“It’s clear (what the carbon tax) will mean is significant costs for consumers at the end, dislocation for businesses, the likes of which could lead to a significant drop in investments in Canada,” said Dan McTeague, the President of Canadians for Affordable Energy.

“Our research is showing as much as $30 billion that will also lead to a potential loss of a 20,000 to 30,000 jobs in Canada. And, of course, it doesn’t just affect Alberta, it affects Ontario. Think here of the market in Sarnia, the petrochemical industry, all those derived industries that we very much take for granted.”


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Since the traitor in Ottawa refuses to support Alberta, Trump steps in to save the day. 


Alberta's oilpatch gets a rare gift — a U.S-backed $22-billion export line to tidewater via Alaska

The proposed railway project, expected to be approved by President Trump, could create 18,000 Canadian jobs


It may well be his last few weeks in office (at least according to the public polls), but U.S. President Donald Trump just gave Alberta oil producers a gift.

Amid his increasingly-deranged conspiracy theory tweets over the weekend, he broadcast a more presidential tweet on Friday: “Based on the strong recommendation of @SenDanSullivan and @repdonyoung of the Great State of Alaska, it is my honor to inform you that I will be issuing a Presidential Permit for the A2A Cross-Border Rail between Alaska & Canada. Congratulations to the people of Alaska & Canada!”

Dan Sullivan is a U.S. senator serving Alaska, and Don Young is a Congressman serving the American last frontier. The U.S. president has been a sweet on the Canadian oilpatch before, having approved TC Energy Corp.’s Keystone XL pipeline project which had been rejected by the previous president Barack Obama.

The proposed 2,570-kilometre A2A railway aims to transport bulk commodities such oil, grain and ore in addition to containerized goods, and aims to develop a “a new railway connecting the Alaska Railroad and Alaska’s tidewater, to northern Alberta.”

The project is expected to cost $22-billion, of which $7-billion will be built in Alaska and $15 billion in Alberta, according to the company.

Construction will begin near Fairbanks, where the Alaska Railroad currently ends, and move south and east through Alaska, across into Yukon, the Northwest Territories, and into Alberta.

The proposed route will connect the North American railway network, via Northern Alberta to the existing Alaska Railroad network and Alaska’s deep-water ports.

“This is a world-class infrastructure project that will generate more than 18,000 jobs for Canadian workers at a time when they are most needed, provide a new, more efficient route for trans-Pacific shipping and thereby link Alberta to world markets,” A2ARail founder and chairman Sean McCoshen said in July, as he announced commissioning an engineering firm to start a detailed land survey along the Alberta segment of the railway’s proposed route.

“The new rail line will create new economic development opportunities for a wide range of businesses, communities and Indigenous communities in Canada and Alaska,” the chairman said. “We estimate that A2A Rail could unlock $60 billion CAD in additional cumulative GDP through 2040 and lift household incomes by an average of 40 per cent.”


The company’s president is Jean Paul Gladu, who served as the president and CEO of the Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business from September 2012 until April 2020.

The Alaska–Alberta Railway Development Corporation (A2A Rail) is privately owned and funded by its McCoshen, who the company says has spent more than US$100 million through the early phases of the project.

“As the project progresses, it is anticipated that A2A Rail will seek investment from infrastructure funds, Sovereign Wealth groups, and private investors. Additionally, A2A Rail is looking into several government issued grants and loan guarantees in both the U.S. and Canada to assist in providing the risk capital needed to develop the railway,” according to the company website.


Trump verses Trudeau


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TC Energy inks deal for Indigenous ownership stake in Keystone XL pipeline

Agreement with five First Nations is expected to be completed later this year

The Canadian Press · Posted: Sep 29, 2020 7:23 PM MT | Last Updated: September 29
Pipe waiting to be used in construction of the Keystone XL pipeline in Alberta in September 2020. (Kyle Bakx/CBC)

Indigenous communities are being given a chance to pursue an ownership interest in the Keystone XL pipeline project, builder TC Energy Corp. announced on Tuesday.

The Calgary-based company says a memorandum of understanding has been signed with Natural Law Energy, which represents four First Nations in Alberta and one in Saskatchewan.


"Today's announcement is a testament to what we can accomplish when industry and Indigenous groups work together," said Nekaneet First Nation Chief Alvin Francis, president of Natural Law.

'Historic agreement'

"This historic agreement is an important step for our peoples and future generations to share in the energy wealth coming from our lands and traditional territories."

TC Energy says a final agreement with Natural Law is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter of 2020, formalizing its participation in Keystone XL. It added it could participate in other potential related midstream and power projects.

"This MOU, which is one of the first of its kind for TC Energy with Indigenous communities, is a reflection of our commitment to working together to ensure Indigenous groups share the benefits of the Keystone XL Pipeline over the long-term as a valuable partner," said Keystone XL president Richard Prior.

In an interview, Prior wouldn't give specifics but said the deal will be for a minority interest in the pipeline and TC won't directly provide the funding.

In March, the company approved construction of the US$8-billion project to transport up to 830,000 barrels per day of oil from Alberta to Nebraska after the Alberta government agreed to invest about US$1.1 billion (C$1.5 billion) as equity and guarantee a US$4.2-billion project loan.

Biden would cancel pipeline's U.S. permit, if elected

Its future is still in doubt, however, as Democratic candidate Joe Biden has said he would cancel its vital presidential permit if he is elected president in November.

"This MOU affirms the shared importance Indigenous people and Alberta's government place on projects such as Keystone XL, which will bring the jobs and steady economic benefits to lift more people onto solid financial ground — now and for years to come," said Premier Jason Kenney in a statement.

"The full participation of Indigenous people in our entire economy is central to reconciliation. Likewise, Alberta's recovery depends on Indigenous communities participating in economic prosperity."

The five First Nations include the Nekaneet First Nation in Saskatchewan and the Ermineskin Cree Nation, Montana First Nation, Louis Bull Tribe and Saddle Lake Cree Nation in Alberta.

The news comes alongside layoffs at TC Energy this week. The company would not confirm how many jobs had been cut, but said the organizational changes were being made to remain competitive and optimize operations. 

With files from CBC Calgary

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