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Let us know when you buy one.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Everyone is not entitled to their own facts.  Alberta oil is cleaner than the oil we will import in it's place.  It's also more ethical, from a human right

Canada collects zero ?????   Your posts are ridiculous at the best of times, this may be over the top.How on earth do you think Alberta was able to send billions of dollars in transfer payments ??  Th

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From 2017...lest we forget

 

” Justin Trudeau returned home empty-handed from his recent trip to China. However, the Chinese Communist Party received a generous gift of $475,000,000 from you – the Canadian taxpayer - courtesy of the Liberals.

This money is being used as Canada’s bid to join the Chinese-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, an organization funding pipelines, highways, and infrastructure projects across the Asian continent. 

Albertans are living with the reality of failed infrastructure promises in our own province. The Ottawa Liberals have failed to complete 83% of the Infrastructure projects that they promised to build here in Alberta. Instead, they are investing in infrastructure in Asia.

Justin Trudeau is taking care of the Chinese elite whilst ignoring the needs of hard-working Albertan families. Canadians have a right to be upset with this out of touch Liberal government. “

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A few years ago, any of the conversations you might have had with the people there were eerily similar to the ones you could have right here, right now with people on this very forum.

I know., this is different right? It always is

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20 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

A few years ago, any of the conversations you might have had with the people there were eerily similar to the ones you could have right here, right now with people on this very forum.

I know., this is different right? It always is

The truly scary ...and I do mean freaking SCARY part is...they (he) believes they are right. I wonder sometimes if they’ve  ever left their mommys basement.  
 

Those that seek to change the world, should first learn how to make their bed 😡

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1 hour ago, Jaydee said:

 

Is it socialism, or is it U.S. imperialism?  

Much like Iran, those countries were independent and viable until the U.S. interfered.

With Iran, it was the U.S. getting involved with Britain and staging a coup in the 50's, all over oil.

https://theconversation.com/before-coup-53-the-us-and-iran-were-old-friends-144770

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/30/the-united-states-overthrew-irans-last-democratic-leader/

Iranian women - before and after the Islamic Revolution - BBC News

And now they are doing the same in Venezuela, all over control of oil.

https://time.com/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-latin-america/

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/22/696057482/trumps-venezuela-moves-follow-long-history-of-intervention-in-latin-america

For a country that says it cherishes freedom over all, it sure works real hard to restrict it in other countries.

 

 

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It appears that record amounts of oil are being shipped without the new pipeline.

Negates the need for it, doesn't it?

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/even-without-keystone-xl-canada-set-to-send-record-amount-of-oil-to-the-u-s

Even without Keystone XL, Canada set to send record amount of oil to the U.S.

U.S.-Canada pipelines will have more than enough capacity to handle increasing volumes of crude out of Canada

 
CALGARY/NEW YORK — The Keystone XL pipeline project may be dead, but the United States is still poised to pull in record imports of Canadian oil in coming years through other pipelines that are in the midst of expanding.
Currently, Canada exports about 3.8 million bpd to the United States, according to U.S. Energy Department data. Analysts expect that to rise to between 4.2 million and 4.4 million bpd over the next few years. Pipeline expansions currently in progress will add more than 950,000 bpd of export capacity for Canadian producers before 2025, according to Rystad Energy.
 
“While the politics around KXL will continue to reverberate for some time, the reality is that western Canada — for the first time in recent memory — may soon reach a juncture at which it has excess oil export capacity,” Rystad Energy’s vice president for North American shale Thomas Liles said in a note.
 
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1 hour ago, deicer said:

Negates the need for it, doesn't it?

Yup, you nailed it.

Suncor, Imperial scramble to make contingency plans in case Michigan's order cuts off Ontario's oil supply

Plans include moving crude through Portland-Montreal pipeline, on ships through St. Lawrence Seaway and on rail cars

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Thu Feb 04, 2021 - Financial Post
by Geoffrey Morgan

CALGARY – Canada’s largest oil companies plan to use the St. Lawrence Seaway to ship crude oil into Ontario as a contingency plan in case Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer is successful in shutting down the Line 5 pipeline that supplies the province’s fuel.

In November, Whitmer ordered Calgary-based pipeline giant Enbridge Inc. to shut down the 540,000-barrels-per-day Line 5 pipeline by May, which would affect gasoline prices and jet fuel availability in Canada’s most populous province by cutting off oil to refineries in Sarnia, Ont.

Enbridge has said it would defy the order, which it is fighting in U.S. federal court, but oil companies with refineries in Ontario and Quebec have been scrambling to make contingency plans. Line 5 is the main conduit to move oil and products like propane from Alberta to refineries in Ontario, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

On Thursday, Suncor Energy Inc.’s CEO Mark Little revealed that the company has purchased the stake it didn’t previously own in the Portland-Montreal pipeline and plans to import oil from Maine to Quebec and Ontario through the pipeline if Line 5 is shut down.

“We have this Portland-Montreal pipeline, which we now own exclusively, that allows us to bring water-borne crude into Montreal,” Little said on an earnings call, adding that he believes Suncor is “much stronger positioned” than competing refinery operators in Central Canada.

Suncor operates a 137,000-bpd refinery in Montreal and an 85,000-bpd refinery in Sarnia, which the company believes it can fill with oil delivered via the 223,000-bpd Portland-Montreal pipeline, which carries oil from Portland, Maine into Quebec, but hasn’t been fully utilized for years.

Suncor did not respond to a request for comment on how it would ship oil from Montreal to Sarnia to ensure its refinery in southern Ontario was fully supplied if Line 5 were to shut down.

Other oil companies are also making contingency plans that include ships through the St. Lawrence Seaway and railway cars to bring oil into Ontario.

Line 5, which brings oil and products such as propane from Alberta to southern Ontario and the U.S. Midwest,” is a “critical piece of infrastructure” for Imperial Oil Ltd., the company’s president and CEO Brad Corson said on a Tuesday earnings call.

Imperial operates a 120,000-bpd refinery and petrochemical complex in Sarnia and a 113,000-bpd refinery in Nanticoke that rely on Line 5 for feedstock.

“We are developing appropriate contingency plans that would allow us to supply our refineries in Ontario, that being Sarnia and Nanticoke, with alternate sources of crude both through the Seaway, as well as through other pipelines and rail alternatives that are available,” Corson said.

Corson said he believes there’s a low chance Line 5 is shut down in May but noted, “We’re watching that very carefully.”

Shell Canada Ltd., which operates an 85,000-bpd refinery near Sarnia, did not respond to a request for comment.

Calgary-based oil companies are particularly concerned about having well-supplied refineries in the region as demand for fuel is recovering and the so-called “summer driving season” is generally a period that buoy refinery earnings.

Suncor said Thursday the company’s refineries processed 438,000-bpd in the fourth quarter, meaning they were roughly 95 per cent utilized, up from 87 per cent utilization in the third quarter when demand for fuel was hampered by the pandemic.

Little said the company’s Canadian refineries, however, were 100 per cent utilized in the fourth quarter. Suncor also operates a refinery in Colorado but did not indicate how busy that refinery was in the fourth quarter.
 

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2 hours ago, mo32a said:

Until then they can freeze in the dark.

A small taste of what they've been demanding.

Certainly negates the need for a pipeline as far as I'm concerned.

Wait til they get the bill....

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One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.
“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother. 
“What happened to the carpet?” she asked. 
“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response. 
Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fibre bristles. 
“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “Also nylon.” 
“Where’s the water?” asked Greta. 
“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, ‘Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it” 
“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish. 
“Well,” said her godmother, who happened to teach engineering at MIT, “Where do we begin?” There followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat, and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants and nylon and rubber for tires and asphalt for filling potholes and wax and iPhone plastic and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . . 
“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting. 
"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.” 
“How so, raw?” inquired Greta. 
“Well, . . .” And once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like you do in Boy Scouts. Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore. 
“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes,” lamented Greta.

“Tilda died this morning,” the godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.” 
“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin.”  
“Not anymore,” explained godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using as fuel Swedish fences and furniture, which are rapidly disappearing - being used on the black market for roasting eggs and staying warm.” 
This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fibre boats to sail in, but a day that will save the planet. 

Tune in tomorrow when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.

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And here's a fun fact that should resonate with people in Ontario.... the price of electricity in Germany only needs to double two more times. The wrong questions keep getting asked IMO, the only valid question is are you willing to pay?

Just say YES.... make the commitment. Then we can cost out your tax increases, project what your future power bill will be and get on with giving you exactly what you say you want. Easy huh?

Electricity prices in Germany “have doubled just to get to thirty-three percent solar and wind. 

 

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And how would we get those illusive Covid vaccines if we didn’t have petroleum to transport them around the world for distribution?? 
And before some smart ass points out the corollary ...if we didn’t have transportation and petroleum, the virus would have stayed in China!!😳😳

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17 minutes ago, st27 said:

And before some smart ass points out the corollary

Here's a corollary. Anyone in good health can loose weight, muscle up and get ripped. It's simple but it's not easy, you have to be committed and the burgeoning diet industry in North America suggests that people aren't. They want it.... but they aren't committed. 

The effort required (even to hit accord targets) is massive and the cost is high. It makes getting ripped and turning your fat little body into a weapon seem easy by comparison.... that's because it is. 

Will I ever hear a liberal say: "I know this will be costly and difficult but it's important, we need to do it and I'm ready to pay the price."  

That's how you get me onside.... all I have to say to that is "ya baby, let's get er done."

Go hard or stay the f&%$ home. 

 

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States sue Biden in bid to revive Keystone XL pipeline

Published Wednesday, March 17, 2021 7:35PM EDT
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BILLINGS, MONT. -- Attorneys general from 21 states on Wednesday sued to to overturn U.S. President Joe Biden's cancellation of the contentious Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada.

Led by Ken Paxton of Texas and Austin Knudsen of Montana, the states said Biden had overstepped his authority when he revoked the permit for the Keystone pipeline on his first day in office.

Because the line would run through multiple U.S. states, Congress should have the final say over whether it's built, according to the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Texas.

Construction on the 1,200-mile (1,930-kilometre) pipeline began last year when former President Donald Trump revived the long-delayed project after it had stalled under the Obama administration.

It would move up to 830,000 barrels (35 million gallons) of crude daily from the oil sand fields of western Canada to Steele City, Nebraska, where it would connect to other pipelines that feed oil refineries on the U.S. Gulf Coast.

Biden cancelled its permit over longstanding concerns that burning oil sands crude would make climate change worse.

Some moderate Democratic lawmakers also have urged Biden to reverse his decision, including Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Jon Tester of Montana.

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In face of a threat the parties appear to be united, Just imagine however if the energy east pipeline was underway (being built) we would not be held to the whim of a foreign politician.  

Proposed Energy East Pipeline Route

POLITICAL UNITY — OVER A PIPELINE

MPS from all parties working to defend Enbridge's Line 5 against U.S. challenge

  • Calgary Herald
  • 18 Mar 2021
  • CHRIS VARCOE
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For one brief moment Tuesday afternoon, it seemed like federal politicians from all parties stood together, united. And what was the unlikely source of such harmony? An oil pipeline.

Yup, you read that right. Regardless of what party or what part of the country they represented, a collection of MPS were in general agreement around the peril presented by attempts in Michigan to shut down Enbridge's Line 5 oil pipeline — to jobs, the economy and energy security in Canada.

“As you can see from the feeling around the table, or virtual feeling around the table, we are all in support and we are all going to work together,” said Ontario Liberal MP Raj Saini, chair of a parliamentary special committee examining the economic relationship between Canada and the United States.

“There's not a lot of daylight among and between the members of the parties. But it does feel a little like an echo chamber,” added Liberal MP John Mckay, who represents Scarborough-guildwood.

The committee met online to discuss the threat posed to Line 5 as Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer seeks to shut down the critical oil artery.

Line 5 ships 540,000 barrels of oil and natural gas liquids each day from Western Canada to refineries in Ontario and Quebec, with the route running under the Straits of Mackinac, moving the product through Michigan to Sarnia.

It provides about half of the oil required in Ontario and Quebec, supplying refineries that produce gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. It delivers feedstock for petrochemical plants in Sarnia and Montreal, and propane needed in Michigan.

Suddenly, there's a collective realization that energy infrastructure matters — at least, in this case.

“There is pretty widespread agreement around the table that whatever our positions around transitioning to a different kind of energy economy might be, suddenly shutting off a significant amount of current supply is not going to go well,” said Manitoba NDP MP Daniel Blaikie.

“Not just for the industry, but for all the people who work in that industry and the people who depend on that product.”

Geez, who knew pipelines play such a critical role?

“I'm having a difficult time not laughing, because we have so much rhetoric out there from some of these political parties on the need to rapidly get off fossil fuels … until they realize it's needed,” Alberta Energy Minister Sonya Savage said Wednesday.

In fairness, it seemed committee MPS had a pretty good handle heading into the hearing that this isn't a trifling matter to this country.

Just in case they didn't, Enbridge executive vice-president Vern Yu left no doubt about the potential economic consequences.

“A shutdown of Line 5 would cause an immediate shortage of energy in the region, it would drive prices up very significantly and the replacement of that would be years away.”

Yu warned of higher energy costs that would face consumers in Ontario and Quebec, as well as issues in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana and Pennsylvania if that happens.

In the near term, there are no easy alternatives to replacing

Line 5. In the longer run, trucks and rail shipments could fill some of the gap, although it would mean higher consumer costs and widespread use of transportation alternatives that generate more emissions and aren't as safe.

“You'd need to see thousands of trucks to replace the pipeline,” Yu told the committee.

“Our estimation is that you'd need to see 15,000 dedicated trucks per day making that happen. You'd need to see 800 extra rail cars a day to see that happen.”

Sarnia-lambton Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu warned that closing Line 5 would cost her community more than 20,000 jobs.

Bloc MP Simon-pierre Savard-tremblay wondered about the specific consequences on employment in Quebec. Yu didn't have those figures, but said closing Line 5 would have “grave implications” for oil that moves through its system and on to Line 9, which supplies refineries and petrochemical facilities in the province.

In November, Whitmer served notice that within 180 days, the state would revoke an easement dating to 1953 that allows the pipeline to cross under the Straits of Mackinac, because of Michigan's environmental safety concerns.

The company maintains the line has operated safely for decades and complies fully with U.S. federal safety standards. It says the state lacks the authority to force the pipeline to shut down — as it falls under federal oversight — and has challenged the order in U.S. federal court.

While the fate of the pipeline lies in the U.S. legal system, there are suggestions Canada could try to keep Line 5 operating by invoking a 1977 treaty that prevents public authorities from blocking or impeding the transmission of hydrocarbons in transit between the two countries.

Yu said it's vital the federal and provincial governments in Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and Saskatchewan make it clear Line 5 is a critical piece of infrastructure and that it's an important bilateral issue.

The Enbridge executive said a diplomatic solution is essential, as the court process and reviews could take years to complete.

The committee discussion led to some eye-rolling in oil-producing provinces that have already faced the economic consequences of insufficient pipeline capacity. Yet, it demonstrates the significance of such projects.

“It validates a lot of things we have been saying in Alberta for a very long time,” Savage said in an interview.

Saskatchewan Conservative MP Randy Hoback, a committee member, said a pan-canadian approach is required — similar to the efforts over NAFTA renegotiations — to drive home the role Line 5 plays in U.S. jobs and energy security.

He said some MPS are finally realizing the vital importance of oil and gas pipelines to Canada, noting the committee is largely united on Line 5.

“I don't think there's a lot of difference here. It's actually a situation where everybody is putting their heads together and looking for solutions,” Hoback said after the hearing.

“I think that's what Canadians want out of Parliament.”

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The paradigm shift is happening.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/mining/u-s-looking-to-canada-for-minerals-to-build-electric-vehicles-documents-show

U.S. looking to Canada for minerals to build electric vehicles, documents show

Washington is increasingly viewing Canada as a kind of '51st State' for mineral supply purposes, one source says

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