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B.C. Supreme Court orders Kelowna Flightcraft to continue contract with Flair Airlines

By Doyle Potenteau Global News
Posted October 23, 2019 10:00 pm

Kelowna Flightcraft will continue to provide dispatch services for Flair Airlines for the time being, even though it tried ending that business relationship, according to online court documents.

In a ruling released on Wednesday, the B.C. Supreme Court ordered Kelowna Flightcraft to maintain business as usual with Flair Airlines.

Citing it was owed money — $204,750 — Kelowna Flightcraft was seeking to end its contract for dispatch services, effective Oct. 9.

However, Flair Airlines sought a court order prohibiting the contract from being terminated.

Kelowna Flightcraft said it sent a notice to Flair Airlines on June 24 that it would be terminating the dispatch services contract on Oct. 9.

The two companies have been doing business since at least 2005, with the dispatch services contract having been signed on Aug. 17, 2015. The contract did not have a termination date, though it did contain a clause of three months’ written notice.

Flair Airlines said its didn’t receive Kelowna Flightcraft’s notice until July 9, with its senior executives finding out on Aug. 13.

With less than two months from Aug. 13 to Oct. 9, Flair Airlines said not having dispatch services would likely put it out of business within a short period of time.

Thus, said Flair Airlines, an immediate court order was sought.

According to the court document, Flair Airlines has approximately 120,000 customers who have purchased tickets for flights, including some 15,000 customers who have pre-purchased tickets for travel within the next week.

It also said approximately 200 to 300 individuals employed by Flair Airlines will be laid off, as it will not be able to meet its payroll.

Justice Paul Walker ultimately sided with Flair Airlines, stating, “Flair Airlines has clearly established it will suffer irreparable harm if the contract is terminated today.”

For more on the ruling, click here.

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So it's owed $200k+ and.... now what? Kelowna Flightcraft is ordered to keep providing a service Flair can't afford? 

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When you look at the actual documents Flair was given 7 days notice of termination, months after the $200,000 had been paid. It was a strong arm tactic over another dispute which is why the ruling came down the way it did.

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1 minute ago, thinair said:

Do Flair crew do the grooming on daily turns?

Don't know but maybe they should start!

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3 minutes ago, Maverick said:

Don't know but maybe they should start!

curious, do any of our Canadian carriers clean the seat back trays on their daily turns or is this a end of day activity?

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2 hours ago, vanishing point said:

I've never noticed the groomers clean the trays on our airplanes at Jazz.

I thought that would be the case. Then likely a end of day activity Thanks.

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Yes the groomers give the table trays a wipe.  At least at AC and Jazz.  They also get a deep groom periodically which cleans everything.

 

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3 hours ago, boestar said:


Yes the groomers give the table trays a wipe.  At least at AC and Jazz.  They also get a deep groom periodically which cleans everything.

 

Is that at every turn?  

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11 minutes ago, J.O. said:

Tray tables are consistently one of the germiest (is that even a word???) parts of a passenger cabin.

Marketplace did a study and came up with some interesting facts. But getting back to the Tray Tables, unless they are cleaned in the following fashion, they will never be germ free even after they have been cleaned.

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To clean tables, follow the steps re: 1. First, use a soapy water solution to clean tables using a clean disposable paper towel, and 2. Second, after cleaning the table surface with soap or detergent and rinsing with water, disinfect tables by using a diluted bleach water solution 

What's the dirtiest surface on an airplane? The result may surprise you

Marketplace analyzed over 100 samples on 18 flights, finding mould, staph and potentially harmful pathogens

Charlsie Agro, Jenny Cowley, Katie Pedersen, Nelisha Vellani · CBC News · Posted: Oct 27, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: October 27, 2018
 
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Marketplace tested more than 100 samples collected on 18 Porter, Air Canada and WestJet flights, swabbing the seatbelt, tray table, headrest, seat pocket and washroom handle on each trip. (Charlsie Agro/CBC)

Used tampons, sandwiches, loose condoms, smartphones, dirty diapers. What do they all have in common?

Flight attendants tell Marketplace they've all been found in the seat pockets of airplanes.

 

Marketplace's latest investigation reveals that the surfaces on a plane you're likely touching most often might not be as clean as you think, and some are contaminated with bacteria and other pathogens.

Marketplace staff took a total of 18 short-haul flights between Ottawa and Montreal, flying with Canada's three major airlines — Air Canada, WestJet and Porter — at various times throughout the day.

On each flight, the following surfaces were swabbed: seatbelt, tray table, headrest, seat pocket and washroom handle. In total, Marketplace collected more than 100 samples.

 
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Microbiologist Keith Warriner tested the samples gathered by the Marketplace team on 18 short-haul flights between Ottawa and Montreal (Norman Arnold/CBC)

Those samples were then analyzed at a lab at the University of Guelph by microbiologist Keith Warriner, who tested the samples for a number of different types of bacteria, as well as yeast, mould, E. coli and other pathogens.

"I was really amazed about how much we actually recovered from them," said Warriner.  "Some of them more scary than others."

Nearly half of the surfaces swabbed contained levels of bacteria or yeast and mould that could put a person at risk for infection, Warriner said.

Yeast and mould were detected on the majority of the 18 flights, which Warriner said suggests that the surfaces were either not cleaned well or often enough.

The most contaminated surface on the plane was the headrest.

The most concerning finding for Warriner was E. coli bacteria detected on both the seat pocket and the headrest. The presence of E. coli indicates fecal contamination, and the bacteria can cause intestinal infections, with symptoms that can include diarrhea, vomiting and abdominal pain.

"We've got to try and think how would fecal contamination get inside [the seat pocket]," said Warriner.

 
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'It's mostly for esthetics'

Connor Remus has a pretty good idea how a seat pocket might have come into contact with feces. The former Porter employee said he has found used diapers and other trash in seat pockets before.

"Everything goes in there; everything from the paper-thin vomit bags, to used wrappers.... I found used tampons in seat pockets before."

Marketplace spoke to more than a dozen former flight attendants and customer service representatives about their experiences working on airplanes. Most said it was their responsibility to clean the planes between flights, but that there simply wasn't enough time to properly disinfect an entire aircraft.

Former flight attendants describe a few reasons to avoid the seat pocket on an airplane:

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Three former flight attendants describe a few reasons to avoid the seat pocket on an airplane. 1:00

The reality, said Stéphane Poirier, who previously worked for WestJet, is that staff typically have less than 15 minutes to turn a plane around. "We had no time to wash the table or clean everything perfectly."

There's also no time between flights for staff to use cleansers or antibacterial spray, he said, noting cleaning solutions are often not allowed on board.

 

"We don't have rags, we don't have spray on board," said Poirier. "Lots of [cleaners] are a dangerous good … so it's either water from the aircraft, or a napkin."

Any cleaning that does happen, said Remus, is often totally superficial. "It definitely was not a huge priority. And when it was a priority, it wasn't necessarily for cleanliness, it was for an esthetic purpose."

Bacteria found on contact surfaces

The levels of staph and mould Marketplace found on tray tables is evidence that the surface hasn't been cleaned for some time, according to microbiologist and self-proclaimed "germ guy" Jason Tetro.

Travellers should pay particular attention to the tray-table result, he said, because it likely includes a kind of staph that may cause skin and soft-tissue infections, such as boils.

 
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A sample shows the presence of mould, which was found on a blanket. (Jenny Cowley/CBC)

"If you're coming into contact with high levels of staphylococcus aureus, such as what you're seeing here, then you definitely are at a higher risk of having something go wrong," Tetro said.

Tetro suggests air passengers avoid putting their faces down on the tray table to sleep, and never placing food directly on the table surface before putting it in their mouths, as ingesting or inhaling staph can be especially harmful.

Even 'germ guy' went ew!

For Tetro, who works in infection control, the headrest results were the biggest surprise.

"I was shocked. Honestly, I have looked at planes, and I travel so much on planes, I'm aware of so many of the different places [where germs could be found]," he said. "But then I saw what you showed me with the headrest. And even I, the germ guy, went 'ew.'"

 
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The levels of staph and mould Marketplace found on tray tables is evidence that the surface hasn't been cleaned for some time, according to microbiologist Jason Tetro. (Dave Macintosh/CBC)

Hemolytic bacteria, mainly associated with strep throat, found on one headrest was especially concerning for Tetro, as was the presence of staph on that surface.

"It really is about ingestion or inhalation," said Tetro. "If you happen to have this on a headrest, and you're moving your head back and forth, then there's a very good likelihood that you could potentially be inhaling this or getting it into close enough contact that it could get into you."

Tetro added that it can also get into wounds. "If you have acne and you're touching your face all the time, you could get something called impetigo, you could get cystitis," he said.

 
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Marketplace's samples were analyzed at a lab at the University of Guelph. (Jenny Cowley/CBC)

And it's important to note that if staph and mould is found living on these surfaces, other microbes can live there too, he said.

"It tells you that there's not a sufficient amount of cleaning going on; yeast and mould are tougher to clean than bacteria," Tetro said.

Marketplace also tested the blankets offered to passengers from two of the carriers: Air Canada and WestJet. (Porter didn't offer a blanket.) The yeast, mould and high counts of bacteria on the WestJet blanket surprised Warriner.

 
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Lab testing on this WestJet blanket showed yeast, mould and high counts of bacteria — surprising as it came in a cellophane wrapper. The airline said it was concerned by the finding, as all of its blankets are sold new and come sealed, straight from a distributor. (Andy Hincenbergs/CBC)

"What was worrying was this was in a cellophane wrapper," he said. "It shouldn't have been used."

When Marketplace reached out to WestJet about these results, the airline said it was concerned by the findings.

"We are looking into this matter further, as all blankets sold on our flights are new (not previously used) and come sealed straight from the distributor," the company said in an email.

Airlines respond

The only time a plane gets a proper cleaning is when it is not in service, according to the former airline employees.

All three airlines declined to be interviewed but did respond to emailed questions. Air Canada, WestJet and Porter all said they follow Canadian and international cabin-grooming rules.

 
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These samples show the presence of E. coli, which was detected on both the headrest and the seat pocket. The presence of E. coli indicates fecal contamination, and the bacteria can cause intestinal infections. (Jenny Cowley/CBC)

In its response, Air Canada pointed to a study that it says proves hygiene on airlines is dirty, but no more dirty than any other public space. The study was funded in part by Boeing, the world's largest airplane manufacturer.

WestJet said it was concerned by the findings, but that staff do their best, given the fact that planes are public spaces. The company said its planes are cleaned daily, noting that aircraft are given a light groom after every flight, a full groom every 24 hours, a complete interior detail monthly, and an enhanced, hyper-focused groom every year.

Porter said the company is confident about its efforts to keep passengers and staff safe. Porter also said that when an aircraft is done flying for the day, teams clean the interior from nose to tail, as well as carry out an intensive cleaning every three weeks.

Tetro advises that airline passengers need to take cleanliness matters into their own hands. He suggests travellers wipe down the surfaces they're going to touch and always carry hand sanitizer with enough alcohol to actually kill germs.

"Fifteen seconds on your hands, 30 seconds on surfaces, and you're good to go," said Tetro.

 

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During a Turn The cabin grooming is a quick tidy up and straightening of the seat belts.  Not enough time for a good cleaning as turn times are kept to a minimum.

Aircraft that are overnighting at a station with grooming staff get a more thorough cleaning.which includes wiping down the tray tables and vacuuming the carpets.

Periodically the aircraft are scheduled for Deep Grooming usually during maintenance down time.

One should NEVER be under the impression that an aircraft is a clean place to be.  During the course of a day a seat could be occupied by 5 or more people on a short haul aircraft.  Or just a couple on a long haul.  The air in the cabin is recirculated and some aircraft filter the air some don't but having changed recirculation filters in the past I can tell you that filter is GROSS by the time its changed (far too infrequently IMHO).

Aircraft are cesspools. period.

 

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And yet....we willingly walk into these cesspools every working day.  I prefer not to think about this and go on my merry way.  Our immune systems are working overtime to keep us functional.

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