Jaydee

Conservatives..the FUTURE of Alberta !

Recommended Posts

“It took Ontario decades to turn around from Harris.”

You mean to spend our way into oblivion and put the province so far into debt that citizens believe the government can pay for everything. Let alone the business climate created from Liberal taxation policies, red tape and the disastrous Green energy program. Wait until real estate/building tanks and people are faced to deal with their personal debts. Oh, and by the way, why was Mike Harris having to cut programs and spending??

Quote

One of the key policy highlights of the Chrétien governments was the elimination of the deficit and the lowering of the federal debt. Beginning in 1994, the Chrétien government undertook a broad program to reverse federal finances, which included MASSIVE SPENDING CUTS to federal programs and transfer payments to the provinces and territories (the federal government contributes billions annually to the provinces/territories in support of their social programs, such as public health care). By 1997-98, the federal government recorded its first annual surplus in 28 years,

Chretien just solved his problem by letting the province’s twist in the wind .....thanks, Jean.. He also raided the EI coffers, but nobody remembers that.

“Why is it conservative governments (Ontario, U.S.) always have cuts to education funding as one of their first items on the agenda?“

In Ontario, it’s because its the largest expenditure after healthcare and 72 cents out of every $ goes to teachers salaries ( and enrolement is dropping-Most education funding in Ontario is disbursed on the basis of student enrolment, and for many school boards enrolment has been declining in recent years. ... Between 2011 and 2016, enrolment in Ontario secondary schools declined by 63,742 students.Sep 24, 2018)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, deicer said:

Wouldn't it be more prudent to spend more on education and change the curriculum to your standard if you think it's faulty?

No, it would be more prudent to fix the systemic problems that make education spending unsustainable while there is still time (and a bit of money) to do so. Simply spending more won't fix what ails Ontario; there needs to be a more thoughtful and systematic approach to things like education and healthcare. This topic really needs a new thread if you want to pursue it in the detail it deserves.

By way of example though, in the decade between 2003 and 2013 (as a for instance) education spending in Ontario grew from 17 billion to 25 billion (about 50%) at the same as enrolment dropped by 5%. So, in real terms during that period, spending per student grew by about 57%. In other words, it cost more money to educate fewer students… why? It sounds like systemic obesity to me. If I suggested this as a model for airline operations you would laugh at me. And I'm not suggesting that government should operate like a business.... but it has to remain a viable entity to survive.

This trend (of more money to educate fewer students) even transcends education and invades other departments (like healthcare) too. It seems clear to me that there is more at play here than simple money problems and that continuing to throw more money at these things is simply not sustainable. In this context, the notion of “draconian cuts” to education is analogous to an obese man claiming he is being starved to death after losing two pounds.... so yes, it was a cut but it was far too little far too late and far more is required to make him healthy after too many years of excess

Edited by Wolfhunter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, deicer said:

So if I am wrong, and liberals are so wrong, please explain to me this...

Why is it conservative governments (Ontario, U.S.) always have cuts to education funding as one of their first items on the agenda?

Wouldn't it be more prudent to spend more on education and change the curriculum to your standard if you think it's faulty?

Or does that take away from the fact that private education becomes an even more appropriate spend?

It's all about controlling the message.  If you don't have a society trained in critical thinking, then the message you spin becomes more powerful.

 

Spending isn't always the right answer to fix the systemic problems within.   

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And now that education is under the spotlight.....how many new high priced certified teaching positions were created when Wynne went ahead with full time kindergarten?? 

Quote

The Ontario Liberal government implemented full-day kindergarten despite the research that showed its detrimental affects. It is a case of politics being more important than the learning and health of children. Full-day kindergarten is costing Ontario taxpayers billions of dollars and is nothing more than very expensive babysitting. Plus the sad fact is that the program is causing many children harm. The Liberals were more interested in using children to get votes. How? By providing government babysitting services to parents. This is a clear example of a failed policy. Children will pay a high price for such a policy with their well-being.
Forcing children into structured full-day classes does more harm than good. According to a report in the The New England Journal of Medicine, a higher percentage of children who start school too early may end up being diagnosed with Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, ADHD. The findings show that children born in August are 30% more likely to receive an ADHD diagnosis, compared with their slightly older peers enrolled in the same grade.
 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, deicer said:

Full day kindergarten was implemented instead of day care.

And that's part of the problem here. While I understand and even sympathize (a bit) with the requirement for day care, I can’t help but lump it into the same pot as things like free tuition and consider it a bottomless money pit. Using the education system as a babysitting service is exactly the type of wrong headed thinking we have been talking about, unless you are willing to pay for it.

As far as I’m concerned, children aren’t pets and it’s not the job of your neighbours to pay the  bill required to entertain and feed your children 5 days a week. I would agree with the sentiment that it takes a village to raise a child, but that’s a different concept and different level/standard of care (IMO) then having the “village” babysit on a continuous basis for 6-7 hours a day. “Nice stuff” like this and free tuition are just too expensive unless you are willing to pay for it.

Nothing in my experience to date convinces me that liberal voters who want this are in anyway inclined to pay for it…. when asked, they will insist that the rich will pay for it all; and we already know who that is right? In addition, I’m of the mind that if you are smart enough to go to university then you are smart enough to figure out how to pay for it.

In short, I’m happy to support the concept but I must insist on knowing exactly how it will be funded before agreeing…. chanting things like “make the rich pay” won’t convince me anymore. I see it at virtually every turn, I will even go so far as to place a bet that sanctuary cities will soon turn on the very refugees they swore to provide sanctuary to once the new immigration policy kicks in and it's all because of the cost. It can work, and it may work well in other jurisdictions who choose to make it a priority. But it won't work here unless you are willing to pay for it. It appears to me that the voters of Ontario don't want to.

Edited by Wolfhunter
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You are correct.  Why should you pay for it.

However, when you look at the policies that have basically frozen wages, it is necessary to have both parents working.

I was raised in a house where you could survive on one salary.

Today's concentration of wealth has taken away that ability for the majority of the population.

Reinstate proper wage growth, and it may go a long way to ending the problems you describe.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, deicer said:

You are correct.  Why should you pay for it.

However, when you look at the policies that have basically frozen wages, it is necessary to have both parents working.

I was raised in a house where you could survive on one salary.

Today's concentration of wealth has taken away that ability for the majority of the population.

Reinstate proper wage growth, and it may go a long way to ending the problems you describe.

 

Re surviving on one salary and no longer being able to do so. I suspect it is more about the "expected needs" / change in acceptable life styles, rather than any concentration of wealth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, deicer said:

With the median salary in Canada at $34,000 for a single earner, please tell me in which city and how you could have a family.

https://vanierinstitute.ca/modern-family-finances-income-canada-january-2018

 

“ Statistics Canada recently updated their report on average salaries across the country,  and it seems we’re taking home a little more than we were in 2016.

The average salary for Canadian employees has been steadily increasing since 2013. As of September 2017, the average wage for Canadian employees was $986 a week – or just over $51,000 a year. This represents a 3.1% increase over the same period last year.

https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/how-much-money-are-we-earning-the-average-canadian-wages-right-now/

**************I*I*I*I***********I*I*

Canadians Believe The Average Salary They Need For 'Comfort' Is $250,000

Canadian expectations verses reality.....I guess that “ average “ Canadian will have to raise their input level to their expectations level...oh yeah that’s right...that would encompass hard work so let’s just take it from the people who actually worked their ass off, took chances, started a company probably working 80 hours a week to be successful only to have the Lefties of the world want to take it away from them. Nice try...suggest you try a stint in Venezuela for a dose of reality to what Socialism brings.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/11/03/average-salary-canada-wealth_a_23579661/

 

Edited by Jaydee

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gday Jay

While you are not wrong, you stat is the 'average' wage,  not the median wage.

Median wage is more representative of what Canadian's are actually earning.

IE: if out of 10 people 9 make $1 while one makes $1000000, the average wage is $100000.

Not very representative.

 

Edited by deicer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, deicer said:

Median wage is more representative of what Canadian's are actually earning.

Agreed, that's a problem that needs addressing.

I wonder though if it might be advantageous to make it more difficult for governments to run deficits. Clearly, it is a financial tool that in and of itself is not unreasonable if used judiciously.... but, Ontario is a huge non sovereign debtor and it's right at the top of that category world wide. By enforcing balanced budgets, within the bounds of reasonableness (say within a specified percentage of GDP), it would force voters to pick and choose their priorities. Those priorities could then be fully funded within the existing budget. I'm a fan of direct democracy in the form of referendums as well, again, within the bounds of reasonableness.

Everybody wants something and everybody has there own priorities, that's just life. As with life in the real world (your household for example) you and I pick and choose, we decide between what we want and what we need on a daily basis. Thats not to suggest that governments should operate like a household, but clearly there comes a point when too much is too much and debt becomes unsustainable.... I think Ontario is already there.

 

Edited by Wolfhunter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That circles us back to 'what is debt'?

Yes, if we don't pay, they put us in jail.

As Greece, and now the U.S. is proving, as a country or even a provincial entity, what does it matter?

Countries owe to countries, provinces owe to provinces, in the end, it means very little as they just keep printing more money to keep the wheels turning.  

You say to run a province like a household?  Never will happen, a province, or country isn't a household and never will be.

You say Ontario is critical?  Good, I await the day that they hook up the tow truck and haul it away.

In the past they put slaves in chains.  Now a days they give you a student loan, credit card and a line of credit.

The pendulum has swung too far to the right on the tax cuts and concentration of wealth.

Overall, who cares?  It's just slavery of the poor.

Edited to add...

When they start governing for the median, instead of the top, then maybe you'll see debt levels drop.

 

Edited by deicer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, deicer said:

You say to run a province like a household?  Never will happen, a province, or country isn't a household and never will be.

 

No, I said "thats not to suggest that governments should operate like a household." 

I also said "but clearly, there comes a point when too much is too much and debt becomes unsustainable.

If your position is "what does it matter?" I'm afraid I can't help you and I think you will be voted down... we can negotiate after you find out that does matter though. Maybe lunch on my next IBA motorcycle sortie eh? I'll even buy. Cheers

PS in a previous post, you branded me a nemesis... when was the last time a nemesis bought you lunch?

Edited by Wolfhunter
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First it was Ontario getting the shaft, now it's Alberta's turn!  But hey, you got what you voted for...

https://pressprogress.ca/jason-kenney-is-giving-corporations-a-massive-tax-giveaway-that-will-cost-albertans-3-7-billion/

 

Alberta will lose 12% of the annual revenues it depends on to pay for public services thanks to a Donald Trump-inspired corporate tax giveaway announced this week by Alberta Premier Jason Kenney.

Flanked by Finance Minister Travis Toews and Lafarge Canada CEO Brad Kohl, Kenney confirmed Monday Alberta will roll back taxes on corporate profits from 12% to 10% on January 1, 2020. It will be lowered further to 8% in 2022.

A recent report commissioned by the Alberta Federation of Labour noted that Kenney’s corporate tax giveaway will remove 12% of public revenues the province currently invests in public services.

Kenney’s economic policies, including the corporate tax giveaway, are estimated to eliminate 58,000 Alberta jobs that pay living wages — that’s more jobs than were lost during the 2015 oil crash.

mackenzie-alberta-joblosses.jpg

Hugh Mackenzie (AFL)

Kenney still has not explained which services he intends to cut to meet his balanced budget targets.

Economist Hugh Mackenzie, who authored the AFL report, says public services are in for tough times.

“Think of it this way,” Mackenzie told PressProgress: If you think of eight things currently being done by the public sector, when this is done it will be seven.” 

Mackenzie noted that even with a spending freeze, public education, postsecondary and health care services would deteriorate as they are all facing increasing needs due to Alberta’s growing population and shifting demographics.

During the announcement, Kenney falsely asserted that the corporate tax giveaway would create jobs despite decades of research that shows corporate tax cuts are a terrible job creation tool that only lead to corporate cash hoarding.

Instead of creating jobs, Mackenzie says the money is more likely to be returned to shareholders.

“What we know is that what happens to that additional cash is highly debatable,” Mackenzeie said.

“For example in the US there’s evidence that the substantial portion of Trump’s cuts just became increased cash for corporations to deploy in other ways.”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There is only one problem with Bill 1.

The feds will just increase their tax to take all of the money.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, Fido said:

There is only one problem with Bill 1.

The feds will just increase their tax to take all of the money.

It has to start somewhere. This is just the first step by Kenny imo.

If nothing else it will decimate the very very last ounce of Liberal support in Alberta and strengthen Conservative resolve when Climate Barbie tries strong arming them with a FORCED tax. As we speak wood carvers are sizing up the Liberal coffin.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The race to the bottom continues....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-alberta-slashes-minimum-wage-for-teen-students/

“With jobs and the economy on everyone’s minds, it’s unreal that one of Jason Kenney’s first priorities is to pick the pockets of Alberta workers,” Ms. Notley said.

“This will take Alberta backwards and cut the wages for thousands of people.”

Ms. Notley said many high-school students work to save for postsecondary education or to help with household expenses. She also warned vulnerable teens could drop out of school to earn the higher minimum wage.

Gil McGowan, president of the Alberta Federation of Labour, said the youth minimum wage is “outrageously discriminatory” and will have unintended consequences.

“Premier Kenney is creating an underclass of workers who could be hired for less and used as pawns to drive down wages for other workers,” he said.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

The NDP government increased the minimum wage from $10.20 an hour when it took office in 2015 to the current rate of $15 – which has become a benchmark for anti-poverty and labour advocates in recent years – last fall.

Beginning on June 26, the minimum wage for students will be $13 an hour. The change can be made through regulation and does not require new legislation.

Mr. Kenney said increasing the minimum wage in the middle of an economic downturn hurt small businesses and made finding work more difficult for young people. He said the change is aimed at high-school students who work part-time during the school year and have jobs during the holidays.

“This is still a very generous wage – $13 an hour is a lot more than $0,” Mr. Kenney told a news conference on Monday.

“A lot of those teenagers have been priced out of the labour market.”

A lot of predictable, overheated rhetoric from labour and the NDP.......when the minimum wage went up here in small town Ontario,the local grocery store laid off all the partime students and gave more hours to the full time staff. So much for helping students.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is a good summation of the overall effect of raising the minimum wage.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/02/09/ontario-minimum-wage-impact_a_23665531/

It's been a little more than a year since Ontario's now-former Liberal government bumped the minimum wage to $14 an hour, from $11.40.

In that time, business groups have argued that the move has caused them to lay off staff, or defer hiring, or speed up automation. Those were the arguments Premier Doug Ford's government used to justify cancelling the planned increase in the minimum wage to $15.

It's hard to know what an economy would look like in a "what if" scenario that never happened. We'll never know what Ontario's economy and job market would look like had the minimum wage hike not happened.

But we can look at more than a year's worth of job data from Statistics Canada, and compare Ontario to other provinces that didn't have such a large hike in the minimum wage.

To be sure, all provinces hiked their minimum wage in 2018, but by far less than Ontario, which raised its wage by $2.40 per hour, far more than Alberta's increase of $1.40 per hour (to $15) and B.C.'s $1.30 jump to $12.65 per hour.

Quebec increased its minimum wage by 70 cents, and all other provinces hiked by between 10 cents and 30 cents.

So if minimum wage hikes kill jobs, then Ontario should stand out from the other provinces in that regard, in the job data for 2018.

Let's begin by looking at job growth. From January, 2018, the first month that the new minimum wage was in place, until January, 2019, Ontario increased its total number of jobs by 2.4 per cent, historically a very strong showing and in line with several other provinces that also clocked strong years for job growth.

So the minimum wage hike doesn't seem to have had much noticeable impact on overall job growth. But let's take a closer look at the situation. Minimum-wage jobs are generally concentrated in two broad industries: food and accommodation, and wholesale and retail.

Looking at job growth in those industries, it's clear this was not a good year — at least not when compared to the overall job market, which had a strong 2018. Wholesale/retail shed 2.6 per cent of all jobs in Ontario, while food and accommodation added 0.5 per cent, a weaker showing than overall job growth.

But the situation in these sectors actually looked worse in many other provinces. All provinces except Nova Scotia and Quebec shed jobs in wholesale and retail, while employment in food and accommodation was all over the map.

So it's clear that these sectors are shedding workers in many places, but the link to a minimum wage hike is far less clear. The sudden appearance of those self-serve checkouts at McDonald's and your local supermarket may have more to do with this, but to the extent that minimum wage hikes convince business leaders to speed up automation, there may be a link there.

Still, we can see that Ontario's outsized wage hike did not have an outsized impact on hiring in industries that are reliant on minimum wage workers. Other factors are clearly in the driver's seat here.

Now let's break things down by age group. Young people are much more likely to be employed in minimum wage jobs than others. So what has been happening with youth employment?

It was not a good year for youth jobs. Canada as a whole had 2.9 per cent fewer employed people aged 15 to 24 in December of 2018 than a year earlier. The numbers were dragged down by large declines in Ontario, B.C., Alberta and Quebec. It's interesting to note that, with the exception of Newfoundland, the provinces with the largest declines in youth employment were also the ones with the largest minimum wage hikes. So there may be some negative impact on youth employment.

But again, youth jobs are also the ones most likely to be targeted for automation. So how much of this is automation and how much the minimum wage? Good luck unraveling that one.

Let's look at employment rates — the percentage of people in a given group who have a job.

Looking at "school-aged workers," those aged 15 to 24, we see that employment fell nationwide over the course of 2018, but more so in Ontario. But employment grew in the "core working-age group" aged 25 to 54. While this appears to be a nationwide trend, it's stronger in Ontario.

Now let's look at wages (or what businesses call the cost of labour). Wage growth among youth in Ontario was stronger over the past year than it was among core working-age Ontarians. The average hourly wage for youth grew 10.2 per cent in 2018, versus 2.7 per cent growth for working-age Ontarians.

Looking more closely at the data, we see that Ontario youth working in sales and service jobs saw wages grow by 18 per cent, compared to an increase of 11.9 per cent nationwide. In an era of sluggish wage growth, there is no explanation for this other than increases to the minimum wage. Young workers and those in low-wage industries benefited greatly from the wage hike.

 

The verdict

 

The data suggests that Ontario's minimum wage hike had very little effect on the overall provincial job market. It certainly did not derail job growth province-wide, as growth has been strong over the past year, and in line with other provinces which had much smaller minimum wage hikes.

The lack of a clear link between large wage hikes and job growth in food services and wholesale/retail suggests other factors are more important than the minimum wage when deciding on hiring.

But the evidence does suggest that the wage hike in Ontario, and the somewhat smaller hikes in Alberta, B.C. and Quebec, dampened demand for young workers and possibly accelerated automation in food services. The flip-side of that is that those in these industries are earning considerably more money today.

So whether or not the wage hike was a success depends on your values — which of these effects you consider more important.

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alberta gas prices drop after carbon tax axed

The death knell of the Alberta carbon tax rang at midnight on Thursday, and already gasoline prices are plummeting. 

According to the Calgary Herald, “gas stations have already dropped their prices as low as 108.9 on average from 117 cents per litre the day before.”

The bill to kill the tax has not yet passed, but fuel sellers are expected to stop collecting it before that happens. This is the reason that gas prices are falling instantly. 

It looks like there are more savings on the way, too. Gas specialist Dan McTeague of Gas Buddy told the Herald that: “It’s quite a remarkable thing to see and people will be saving some pretty significant money,” adding that Alberta could soon become the best place to buy gas in the country “barring none.” 

McTeague went on to say that we should expect a further three-cent decrease over the weekend.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/alberta-gas-prices-drop-after-carbon-tax-axed/

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.