Unexpected conseques of Low Cost travel or ?

[Guest]

are we seeing a change in the public or just in the change of who can afford to fly due to lower cost travel?\

May 15, 2018 1:47 pm

Updated: May 15, 2018 3:44 pm

Quebec women arrested after ‘unruly’ behaviour diverts Calgary-bound flight to Toronto

By Rachel Lau Online Producer - Quebec  Global News

 

 

 

 

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Two Québécoise women have been arrested after their “unruly” behaviour caused a Calgary-bound flight to divert to Toronto Monday night.

READ MORE: WestJet flight diverted to Toronto due to unruly passenger, man arrested: police

Const. Bancroft Wright, a spokesperson for Peel Regional Police in Toronto, confirmed officers responded to a call at 8:17 p.m.

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He said the two women, aged 24 and 27, were acting unruly and causing “a nuisance” on flight AC 323, originating from Montreal.

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“The flight crew and captain determined it was necessary to divert the flight to Toronto,” Wright told Global News, adding that it was the closest major city.

“Once officers arrived, the females displayed obvious signs of intoxication: slurred speech, bloodshot eyes.”

The women were removed from the plane and taken into custody for being intoxicated in a public place.

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He confirmed the women were held in custody until they were sober and were released with an offence notice.

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No criminal charges have been laid, as there no were reports of threats, damages or assaults.

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“Within the last year, I’ve probably come across three or so similar type of occurrences,” Wright told Global News, pointing out that a fine for public intoxication is typically $70.

“People, for whatever reason — maybe anxiety, maybe having too good of a time — combine that with whatever stresses they’re going through.”

Air Canada told Global News the two were “deplaned along with their baggage and then the aircraft resumed its flight to its destination.”

[Kip Powick]

$70.00 x 2 = $140.00 ???????? 

And AC foots the bill for diversion,  as well as all other associated costs  and late arrival of pax into YYC.

If I were King there would be more public executions !!,,,,,! ( at least.....hopefully a lifetime Ban  on flying in Canada on any air carrier)

[internet]

So only low fare passengers act up?  No profiling or ignorance there.....

 

 

[Wolfhunter]

1 hour ago, Malcolm said:

are we seeing a change in the public or just in the change of who can afford to fly due to lower cost travel?\

 

IMHO you are seeing a change in the public and it crosses economic lines. By way of example, I no longer signal lane changes when driving; people will inevitably speed up so as to block you the second they see the indicator. I could list a bunch of examples but it boils down to the return of tribalism... both in politics and social interaction. Tribal cultures are difficult to govern and polarized by nature. It seems we are heading in that direction.

[Kip Powick]

34 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

IMHO you are seeing a change in the public and it crosses economic lines. By way of example, I no longer signal lane changes when driving; people will inevitably speed up so as to block you the second they see the indicator. I could list a bunch of examples but it boils down to the return of tribalism... both in politics and social interaction. Tribal cultures are difficult to govern and polarized by nature. It seems we are heading in that direction.

To each his own...I guess....

Is it against the law to change lanes without signaling? (Ontario)

Yes it's illegal if you do not signal your intentions before maneuvers. You are legally required to signal before pulling over, pulling into traffic, lane changing, parking, merging, turning right and left, etc. And yes you can get a ticket for failing to signal your intentions.

[J.O.]

46 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

IMHO you are seeing a change in the public and it crosses economic lines. By way of example, I no longer signal lane changes when driving; people will inevitably speed up so as to block you the second they see the indicator. I could list a bunch of examples but it boils down to the return of tribalism... both in politics and social interaction. Tribal cultures are difficult to govern and polarized by nature. It seems we are heading in that direction.

My problem with this is most of the tribalism is based on falsehoods perpetrated by idiot politicians who’ve found a new way to power through anger. It’s 1937 all over again. 

[Wolfhunter]

7 hours ago, Kip Powick said:

Yes it's illegal if you do not signal your intentions before maneuvers.

Obviously, there was never any doubt about it... circumstances have just made it safer though.

I'm not sure if there are penalties for deliberately blocking a lane change (maybe not), I don't care enough to check; personal SOPs sometimes evolve as a result of near misses. This one only applies in Ontario and was the result of driving a motorcycle here. Ontario drivers are the most self entitled and passive aggressive of any I have seen anywhere... I'll take the ticket. The abysmal and pathetic lack of enforcement makes it unlikely though. Want to have an immediate effect on emissions... drive the damn speed limit.

[boestar]

I spent 11 days last summer riding in the USA Through 13 states.  Not a single incident...UNTIL day last of the trip when we arrived in .....You guessed it ONTARIO.  Not 20 minutes after crossing the border at Sarnia We were cut off by an ignorant driver.  8000Miles and the only incident is a few hours from home.

I agree with Wolfhunter that Ontario has the worst drivers around.

 

[blues deville]

6 hours ago, boestar said:

I agree with Wolfhunter that Ontario has the worst drivers around.

Fully agree and I wish I knew the cause. Is it the design of the highway like the fabulous 401? The 407ETR rolls along most of time but at a cost.

I’ve noticed driving in Italy that transport trucks are required to stay in the far right hand lane on major highways. If we did that in Canada I think traffic might move along at a better pace in rush hour. With 18 wheelers occupying each lane, their time to roll ahead after each breaking slows everything down.

Regarding Malcolm’s question: I think there are several reasons for the poor behaviour on board flights today but one thing will never change. Most people have a fear of flying and as a result we have usually well behaved people doing odd things. Especially when alcohol is involved. 

[Wolfhunter]

8 hours ago, J.O. said:

My problem with this is most of the tribalism is based on falsehoods perpetrated by idiot politicians who’ve found a new way to power through anger. It’s 1937 all over again. 

Agreed and the power of the internet makes it easy and the effects quicker.

The original poster raises the question of causal connection, is the increase in air rage caused by a change of fare structure or a shift in individual values and more importantly, boundaries. I say it is people who have changed. Driving tends to expand an individuals perceived boundaries and increase anonymity. Because of that, it serves as an example and even a canary of sorts IMO…. lest anyone think this is about interpreting the Highway Traffic Act.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, internet said:

So only low fare passengers act up?  No profiling or ignorance there.....

 

 

I gave you two choices and you chose to take offence to one.  How come?

[Wolfhunter]

I usually don’t contribute to such threads but I’ll tell you the reason I now drive everywhere and refuse to fly domestically. It boils down to a series of unpleasant interactions that are not unlike my current experience in big city Ontario (doing renovation work). Just driving back and forth to the gym after an absence of 30+ years tells me that much has changed in society.

For me, it starts with the taxi ride to the airport, the CSA at checkin, the security screening folks and the kid behind you who kicks the back of your seat for 1.5 hours while his indulgent parents look on. Their conduct leaves me in a smouldering rage that lasts for about a week after the experience.

The difference is, I (and most others) have the discipline to not even react to such provocations… I just say thank you ma’am and move on. Now CSAs, FAs etc will tell the opposite storey, and they would be right as well. In reality, this bad behaviour is across the board and seems to stem from a lack of consequences, a lack of grace and a lack of kindness. It also feeds on itself and arouses those who lack discipline (and self control) … be it the airport, the grocery store or in traffic, keep in mind you simply can’t pi$$ me off to this extent by accident. None of my close calls on the bike last year were the result of "simple mistakes" in traffic. You knew exactly what you were doing and didn’t care… and to me, that’s the real provocation. I may have the urge, inclination and ability to "make you care" but instead, I just say thank you ma'am/sir. As discipline and self control erodes over time (and it will) expect to see much more of this behaviour.

After retiring from the somewhat isolating presence of the military, I feel as if I went out for coffee, came back and society had changed. It’s a bit like going on a long deployment after getting a puppy. When you get back, it’s full grown, unrecognizable and has bonded with the neighbour. It all happened so slowly that you are the only one to notice… or maybe even care.      

[Trader]

Wolfhunter - agree completely. I'm back after 15 years and driving anywhere in the GTA is a frustrating experience. Dubai was similar but worse - the signal was a notice that the person should accelerate to block you,  leaving a gap was a sign that you were stupid and they would move into it, merging lanes meant turn 3 lanes that were merging into 2 lanes into FOUR lanes - me first, me first.

It was primarily Indian and East Asian drivers that were the offenders. Speaking with a few Indian buddies it was explained that the driving was FAR superior to what was experienced in India but those characteristics remained.

Before anyone goes off on a rant about racism - it has nothing to do with that but is an accurate observation. And, yes, of course there are other bad drivers.

[boestar]

in india a marked 4 lane road has 8 lanes of traffic

[DEFCON]

 

Will carriers ever stand up and be the first to say enough is enough and eliminate booze just like they did with cigarettes?

Instead of firewater, the pax could be provided with pot pills. The airline could provide lots of munchie foods and leave the hooligans to sleep.

 

 

[Bobcaygeon]

Except they like the ancillary revenue nowadays hence why some airlines pay the FA a commission.

You can't really stereotype it "low cost flights and clientele" . I seem to remember AC turning around somewhere over Alaska thanks to 2 BlackBerry employees that got liquored up and were a problem. They weren't in cattle class and were travelling on the companies dime.