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Only in a tribalistic world gone mad would a “straight pride” flag exist.

The only thing more insane than its very existence and actually flying it, is the notion of comparing it to a swastika and deeming it to be an atrocity that scares you. I fear it's too late for spankings to have any worthwhile effect here... luckily CBC is on top of the issue and will continue monitoring the situation. What we really need is a process by which these people are excluded from voting.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/straight-pride-flag-1.4872572

If this isn't revealed as being a joke, it likely stands as one of the most childish things I've ever heard.

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This lecture by the cbc is way too long and comes across as an attempt of a government sponsored agency to justify an anti - Constitutional position.

That flag, like it or not, is an expression of 'free speech'.

The article goes on to advise that an offended member of the gay community responded by driving around town with a gay pride flag flying above his vehicle.

I'd like to see the cbc attempt to justify their insinuation that a gay man's Right to free speech somehow trumps the apparently contrary, but similarly expressed pov of another person?

 

 

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4 hours ago, DEFCON said:

That flag, like it or not, is an expression of 'free speech'.

Cool, then I’ll express mine by suggesting that people waving gay pride flags and screaming nazi at other people waving straight pride flags screaming free speech contributes to nothing but mindless entertainment and continued employment for querulous reporters at the CBC... it's all getting a bit silly now and I mourn the demise of the centre, and wonder if it's gone for good.

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Clearly snowflakes should stay home (in their safe spaces), wave flags to advertise who they choose to sleep with and scream nazi at people who advertise a different preference via a different flag. 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ridiculously-drunk-canadian-sorry-for-spraying-paint-on-ancient-thai-wall-1.4146357

I found teaching basic training very rewarding, for many young people it was their first taste of immediate consequences and it accelerates the maturity process by leaps and bounds... I almost think it should be mandatory. 

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16 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

 

I found teaching basic training very rewarding, for many young people it was their first taste of immediate consequences and it accelerates the maturity process by leaps and bounds... I almost think it should be mandatory. 

it absolutely SHOULD be mandatory.  2 years not just basic training

 

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Referencing the title of the thread, here's where a lot of the conflict and confrontation is fomented.  This article explains why you have to watch out for these sites...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-is-qanon-the-craziest-theory-of-the-trump-era-explained

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/08/02/what-makes-qanon-so-scary/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.af25618299c0

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Too cool, it was only a matter of time until the conservative world started using the liberal play book and throwing the ball back. No need to look south of the 49th. If you want misinformation, deliberate manipulation of statistics and bold faced lies…. it’s all right here for ya. That road to polarization is now paved in both directions; take a motorcycle, enjoy the drive! It's well earned and already payed for...

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Funny how you jump on it that way.

You are right that the conservatives have finally gotten on the social media bandwagon, and in having done so, they have taken the usage of same to new lows.

 

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Even if there were no other reasons to do so, this one single issue is sufficient (in my view) to reduce the Liberal Party to non party status next year. I can’t think of a single mitigating factor here and wonder how many people who have regularly voted Liberal in the past would now hope for the same outcome. 

Think of all the anti Trump folks here in Canada, consider their reaction if this was a DJT policy... they would hold it up as proof of nazi thinking and compare him to Hitler because of it. In my opinion, their silence on this issue is more reprehensible than the Statscan action itself, in addition, I would now support defunding of the CBC should it ever become an election issue.

 I don't think the left even realizes what a liability the far left has become or how many people have "walked away" as a result of this sort of polarized thinking. Voter turn out is the only way of keeping this contagion at bay. As a result, I would now support mandatory voting for Canadians with penalties for non compliance... another new position for me.

I now feel as though I'm giving up things I once defended in payment of a bill I never incurred and it's for a meal I'm deathly allergic to. Even though my political beliefs haven't changed in 30 years, I'm being pushed further and further right to defend them and, in the process, yielding to the very polarizing forces I would seek to keep at bay by doing so. As this becomes circular I see us finding ourselves in the same situation Rome did. It seems as though it's not just me and it's not just here. The cost of continuing on this course is huge and far exceeds what liberals are already unwilling to pay. Only during adversity do you establish your worth.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-november-1-2018-1.4887105/fed-up-with-their-liberal-home-states-u-s-conservatives-find-a-place-they-can-belong-in-texas-1.4888277

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50 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

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Seems to me that there is quite a bit of coverage:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/statistics-canada-private-information-1.4888462

Personal data scooping by StatsCan could threaten trade with Europe …

The decision by Statistics Canada to start scooping up personal financial ... But one expert says the demands it is forcing on Canadian private ...

Statistics Canada looking at people's banking records? Now that's ...

Financial Post-Nov. 2, 2018
Statistics Canada is the agency that collects data on Canada's economy, society and environment. The purpose is to provide decision-makers ...
NDP joins Conservatives, asks Trudeau Liberals to shut down ...

Your personal financial data is safe, says head of Statistics Canada

CBC.ca-Oct. 31, 2018
The head of Statistics Canada is assuring Canadians that their personal financial data is safe after days of Conservative criticism over the ...

EXCLUSIVE: Stats Canada requesting banking information of 500000 ...

Globalnews.ca-Oct. 26, 2018
WATCH: Global News has learned Statistics Canada wants to collect a mountain of information about Canadians' financial transactions. David ...

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Except Global originally broke the news story a full 4 days before CBC.

Out of embarrassment they were eventually forced to cover the story to maintain some semblance of credibility. Have to justify that funding somehow. More probable though it took Ottawa that long to OK coverage and put their spin on it. 

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Wolfhunter said:

"I mourn the demise of the centre, and wonder if it's gone for good."

I used to think about myself as a 'centrist', but that ground doesn't seem to exist any longer, it has become a no-mans land of sorts.

 

 

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Honestly can’t believe the White House allowed him to stay as long as they have. He can now cover Ground Hog days and Pie Eating contests.

 

Secret Service Takes Jim Acosta's Press Credentials Away.

 

The United States Secret Service took away CNN's Jim Acosta's "hard pass" late on Wednesday after the professional provocateur pulled another obnoxious stunt during a White House press conference.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38109/watch-secret-service-takes-jim-acostas-press-ryan-saavedra

 

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Trump’s War on the Press Follows the Mussolini and Hitler Playbook

Trump has spent two years vilifying the “dishonest” media (including The Daily Beast), even invoking the Nazi chant of “enemies of the people.” Aided by the alt right zealots at Breitbart, he has successfully persuaded millions of Americans that The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, and MSNBC are seditious forces bent on denigrating and destroying the man they elected.

It is dismaying that it was so easy for him to do this, dismaying that independent journalism of quality is so easily discredited and dismaying that none of this seems to trouble the Republican Party.

 

Trump has little if any grasp of European history and probably only the vaguest idea of who Goebbels was but his use of tweets reflects one of Goebbels’ basic tenets about propaganda: “Berlin needs sensations as a fish needs water. Any political propaganda that fails to recognize that will miss its target.”

So it happens that when it comes to news management Trump has pulled off something that Goebbels would applaud. He has made himself the Great Dictator of the news cycle. To do this he didn’t need to knowingly emulate anyone in the propaganda arts because he is directed by his two dominant personal traits: narcissism and paranoia.

And when Trump faces a news narrative that he can’t derail, like the Mueller investigation, he sees it as a violation of his own powers, as he imagines them to be rather than as they really exist under the constitution.

Mussolini, very early in his rule, did the same thing, equating himself with the nation and regarding any insult to him as an insult to Italy. In Trump’s mind it his base that exclusively represents the nation—a belief constantly reinforced by Fox News for whom that base is a ratings gold mine. Trump and his lackeys on Fox have succeeded in equating respect for the kind of truth-telling that is built on learning and the ability to marshal facts with a simple demographic: it’s the exclusive province of metropolitan elites.

This tactic is based, at least in part, on a condition described by Daniel Kahneman, a Nobel Prize-winning psychologist. He calls it “cognitive ease” in which humans tend to avoid facts that are uncomfortable or require work to understand.

Goebbels understood that the reinforcement of prejudice was an intoxicating weapon of propaganda. Fed the right message, aggrieved and resentful minorities could be made to coalesce into a critical mass of activists. The Trump base has been built on this principle, and feels grateful to be led by such a man with whom they readily identify, even though his real interests (personal enrichment) are the opposite of theirs.

 

 

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From the mouth of the Master...Larry King...”CNN stopped doing news a long time ago, they do Trump”

 

 

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WOW !!

By producing a split decision, the election that was supposed to end all elections turned out to be fairly predictable. But it’s the day after that was unlike any other.

The Republican president, the likely speaker of the Democrat-controlled House and the Senate’s Republican majority leader each started Wednesday by talking about working together to get things done. They talked to each other privately and talked separately in public about what they thought they could accomplish for the country.

For most Americans, that would make for a very good day. Given the overheated environment leading up to the midterms and the fear among many that we are drifting toward an era of disunion and spreading political violence, bipartisan pledges to work together for the common good were like the sudden emergence of a bright candle flickering in the wind.

Alas, it was the last thing some members of the White House press corps wanted, so they tried to snuff it out.

The conduct of a handful of so-called reporters during President Trump’s news conference was disgraceful beyond measure. This is not journalism, this is narcissism.

Naturally, the boorish Jim Acosta of CNN was the instigator. As is his habit, Acosta doesn’t ask questions — he makes accusations and argues. Almost daily, he does it with the press secretary; Wednesday, he did it with the president.

“I want to challenge you,” Acosta began after Trump called on him. Trump realized he’d made a mistake, murmuring, “Here we go,” and Acosta didn’t disappoint.

He insisted that despite the president’s use of the word “invasion,” the caravan of Central American migrants “is not an invasion.”

He adopted a lecturing, I-know-best tone to declare that “they’re hundreds and hundreds of miles away; that’s not an invasion.”

 

Trump’s response should not have been necessary: “Honestly, I think you should let me run the country, you run CNN.”

After more back-and-forth, he called Acosta “a rude, terrible person” and said “CNN should be ashamed of itself.”

That should have been enough — Acosta got the attention he wanted and got Trump’s goat, giving his network video it could make hay out of for days. Besides, there were scores of other reporters raising their hands to be called on.

But Acosta wouldn’t give up the microphone and kept talking over Trump, trying to lob another grenade.

The president, clearly angry now and stepping away from the podium as if he might bolt the room, pointed at him and said forcefully, “That’s enough, that’s enough. Put down the mic.”

 

Finally, Acosta sat down, then stood up to argue again, interrupting another reporter. That reporter, from NBC, praised Acosta and picked up the baton by making his own accusation disguised as a question. He mentioned Trump’s attacks on Democrats and “asked” the president: Why are “you are pitting Americans against one another?”

Trump, to his credit, actually answered in a substantive way, but that didn’t satisfy because the reporter didn’t really ask a question. He too just wanted to make an accusation and argue. On camera.

There was a time not long ago when young journalists were taught not to become the story. Apparently, many news organizations have flipped that lesson on its head.

But we are witnessing something more insidious here than media trash talk. Plain and simple, we are watching expressions of personal hatred.

Yes, it’s true that most journalists lean far left and their bias sticks out like so many sore thumbs. That’s been true for a long time, but political bias is an insufficient explanation for the Jim Acostas of our time.

They hate Trump. They really, really hate him. There’s nothing professional about it.

They are not alone. Take a poll of almost any major newsroom in America and the vast majority of those working there, if they are being honest, will confess that they too can’t stand the existence or the sound of Trump.

Or try to imagine Acosta and his ilk behaving in similarly hostile fashion toward Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Keep trying, but you can’t imagine it because it never happened. Both of those pols lied to journalists repeatedly, yet you can bet 90 percent still voted straight Democratic.

 

 

Even if they didn’t like Obama or Clinton, the political reporters would never dare accuse them publicly of anything, argue with them or interrupt them. Even when skeptical, they were respectful.

Recall how Obama used to spend 10, 15 and even 20 minutes answering a single question — without interruption.

Many in the press corps may have found him overbearingly arrogant. They may have resented the way he looked down on them and bristled at critical stories or tough questions. They knew he started more leak investigations than any other president, and might have feared him because his Justice Department wiretapped a Fox News reporter during a leak case.

But they would never interrupt him or insult him or refuse to give up the microphone.

White House press credentials are not a universal right. There are implicit expectations of proper behavior, and the White House decision to suspend Acosta’s credential is warranted.

Just as Acosta can’t go into a movie theater and yell “Fire” when there is no fire, he should not have the right to hijack a presidential press conference to suit his own ego.

It is also long past time for his colleagues, including those from other outlets, to remind him that his shameful conduct is making all of them look bad. More important, scenes like Wednesday’s further erode the public’s already declining trust of the media and fuel resistance to the First Amendment.

The anti-Trump antics are no longer a sideshow. America has serious problems as well as dangerous enemies, and the mere prospect of Trump, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell working together is the best news we could have hoped for Wednesday.

Instead, it was overshadowed by a few narcissists chasing their own vanity.

 

 

 

https://nypost.com/2018/11/07/jim-acosta-violated-one-of-the-oldest-rules-of-journalism/

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, deicer said:

To cool, they have confused this with  control of the press, in other words weaponizing it and using it as a tool to support the party narrative and further party objectives. He is actually warring against that tendency (and losing) IMO. CNN and MSNBC come immediately to mind here as does the tendency of tyrannical movements to accuse their opponents of exercising the very tyranny they are attempting to inflict themselves. Invoking the name of Hitler almost always masks the accusers intention to mimic his tactics, it goes hand in glove with repeated assurances of "truth". The constant reference to Hitler borders on absurd and only serves to diminish the comparison itself.

BTW, I would have evicted Mr Jim a long time ago....

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I agree with freedom of the press but CNN stopped being a news outlet years ago. They think they are God’s and act like it.

 

Spin it anyway you want but the video clearly shows the young lady had her hand on the mike and Acosta wouldn’t release it. Acosta should be banned from the WH for life over this.

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