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https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/04/02/washington-state-group-is-1st-to-sue-fox-news-for-calling-coronavirus-a-hoax/

Washington State Group Is 1st to Sue Fox News for Calling Coronavirus a ‘Hoax’

An obscure Washington state group has become the first in the nation to sue Fox News over its coronavirus coverage, asking a state court to keep the cable network from airing false information about the pandemic.

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The 10-page complaint — filed Thursday in King County — also names as defendants Fox News Corp., owner Rupert Murdoch, AT&T TV and COMCAST.

It seeks an injunction to prohibit the conservative-leaning outlet from “interfering with reasonable and necessary measures to contain the virus by publishing further false and deceptive content.”

WASHLITE complaint against Fox News. (PDF) WASHLITE complaint against Fox News. (PDF)

Reacting in a statement, Lily Fu Claffee, general counsel for FOX News Media, told Times of San Diego: “Wrong on the facts, frivolous on the law. We will defend vigorously and seek sanctions as appropriate.”

Arthur West, leader of the 3-year-old Washington League for Increased Transparency and Ethics, or WASHLITE, the plaintiff, said in a phone interview that its members have run into people who still believe earlier Fox News reports that the pandemic was a hoax.

(One board member was diagnosed with coronavirus, he said, asking the name be withheld.)

The case, filed at 12:13 p.m. Thursday, has been assigned to Judge Ken Schubert — with no hearing date set. West said the defendants haven’t yet been formally served notice of the case.

 

Fox News interfered with social distancing measures, West said from the state first slammed by the virus.

“That’s the real evil of this type of programming,” West said. “We believe it delayed and interfered with a prompt and adequate response to this coronavirus pandemic within the state of Washington.”

West denied that the nonprofit group (with perhaps 30 associate members) was aiming to stifle First Amendment rights.

“It’s like the theater thing,” he said. “Up to the point where you get up in the theater and yell ‘Fire!’ you can say whatever you want. But when you get to the point where you are endangering the community — that transcends the limits of the First Amendment.”

He also contends that commercial speech is involved, not private speech by members of the public.

The WASHLITE suit includes a request for relief under the state’s Consumer Protection Act, alleging Fox News violated the act by “falsely and deceptively disseminating ‘News’ via cable news contracts that the coronavirus was a ‘hoax,’ and that it was otherwise not a danger to public health and safety.”

 

In March 9 broadcasts by Sean Hannity and Trish Regan, “defendants acted in bad faith to willfully and maliciously disseminate false information denying and minimizing the danger posed by the spread of the novel Coronavirus, or COVID-19, which is now recognized as an international pandemic,” the suit says.

Last week, Fox Business Network said it officially “parted ways” with anchor Regan after what some called a rant against the “coronavirus impeachment scam.”

But Eric Goldman, professor at Santa Clara University School of Law and an expert on so-called SLAPP lawsuits, says this complaint looks like one — a strategic lawsuit against public participation meant to chill free speech.

 

“WASHLITE essentially accuses Fox News of false advertising because of its editorial misinformation,” Goldman said Friday via email. “The lawsuit is still a SLAPP, so I’m happy to call it that. There’s just not the fast procedural lane provided by the [Washington state] anti-SLAPP law.

Still, Goldman frowns on Fox News content. He calls its COVID-19 coverage deplorable.

“Many thousands of Americans will die because they relied on the misinformation broadcast by Fox News,” said Goldman, a board member of the Public Participation Project, working to pass federal anti-SLAPP legislation in Congress. “Historians will harshly condemn Fox News’ irresponsibility and gaslighting on COVID-19 (and many other subjects).”

Goldman called attention the work of Harvard law professor Yochai Benkler, who argued that Fox News’ disinformation is a leading source of America’s problems.

WASHLITE’s West on Friday noted a 2015 high court ruling in Davis v. Cox that struck down the state’s prior SLAPP law’s summary proceeding as unconstitutional.

“Stripping this away, there is nothing effective left of the present statute,” West said. “Second, the CPA only requires a showing of a capacity to deceive, and is unique in this way.”

 

Finally, ordinary conditions don’t apply in Washington, with First Amendment rights to assemble and travel already “rightfully” restricted, he said.

“Reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on speech have almost universally been upheld in the extraordinary circumstances where such measures are necessary to forestall a clear and present danger,” he said. “This is one such occasion.”

West says the case will be bolstered via discovery.

“We want to know when Fox News knew that the coronavirus was actually a dangerous thing, and we believe there is some evidence that … Mr. Murdoch and the staff running Fox News were implementing coronavirus protection measures for their staff … while at the same time they were broadcasting that it was a hoax.”

He said the case isn’t a choice between order and liberty.

 

“It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either,” West said via email. “There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.”

The suit follows in the the wake of an open letter by scores of journalism professors assailing Fox News for “misinformation” that endangers its older audience’s health.

Elizabeth “Liz” Hallock, a Green Party candidate for governor, is the lone attorney for WASHLITE. She shared a Vox.com report on Hannity’s evolving statements on the virus.

“We’ll have time in discovery to siphon through what was presented on the network and how it was presented,” she said via email. “There’s no doubt in my mind the sentiment that the novel coronavirus was a hoax was recirculated on Fox News like bad air.”

She said this sentiment was repeated in her community and “made it exceedingly difficult to run a business that was trying to keep our facility clean and prevent the spread of the virus.”

West, 59, is an Olympia resident who says he makes a living as an open-government advocate. Other board members have experience in tough cases, he says.

But Katie Gillespie, president of the Washington state chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists, says she’s never heard of the group.

“The go-to sunshine org in Washington is the Washington Coalition for Open Government,” she said. That group didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

WASHLITE board member David Koenig prevailed in a Washington Supreme Court case in which he sought disclosures under the state’s Public Records Act.

West said the group is asking for nominal damages.

“We’re not doing this to make a million dollars,” he said. “We’re doing this because we seriously believe that Fox’s coverage was outrageous and intolerable and interfered with an effective response to the coronavirus.”

Why hadn’t they sued earlier?

The virus crisis has “disrupted everyone’s lifestyle and schedule,” he said on the phone. “This is pretty much the first time we’ve come up for air.”

He also defended having a single lawyer take on the news giant — No. 1 in cable ratings.

“One good lawyer is worth a team of adequate lawyers,” West said. “One good lawyer with a good case can beat an entire law firm.”

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I’m not defending Trump or his policies, but at least the Potus has open access by the press...he may answer, he may ignore them, he may tell the to F off, but at least he has the guts to be in front

Now we all have to quit quoting him so we never have to see a post from him.

This always saddens me and I think he got it desperately wrong here; the election results reflect it too IMO. I can only speak for myself I guess, but this is the sort of attitude and headline where D

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Conrad Black on COVID-19: The slanderous contempt for Donald Trump is unwarranted

It has been disappointing to read of Canadian outrage at the treatment of 3M Corporation by the U.S. government. The administration’s reaction was unexceptionable and no other national government would have acted differently

 

The media and office-holding Democrats want this crisis to damage the president politically so badly that he cannot win — this is their last chance to avoid the long-unthinkable re-election of Trump and they are lashing out in all directions. Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC opined last week that Trump was pushing hydroxychloroquine as a possible remedy because he might have a financial interest in it. Even in the United States where judicial interpretations of the Bill of Rights guaranty of freedom of expression have made defamation cases almost impossible to win, this was probably criminal slander, if the president wished to bother.”

 

 

“ The U.S. administration quickly allowed the export of the masks to Canada. But there had already been a good deal of self-righteous vapouring in the Canadian media. The Globe and Mail on April 7 treated its readers to an editorial headed with the famous line of Michelle Obama and then Hillary Clinton: “When Trump goes low, we (should) go high.” He wasn’t going low and it wasn’t an apposite source: the Democratic National Committee, and the Clinton campaign, in 2016 financed the pastiche of lies and gossip known as the Steele dossier and corrupted the U.S. intelligence services and the FBI into assisting in the propagation of it to try to defeat and then to hobble or remove Trump; i.e., they went lower than anyone in the history of American presidential politics. That was the closest the United States has ever been to tanks on the White House lawn.

The Globe editorial concluded: Americans “have been ashamed (of Trump) for the better part of four years. A gesture of generosity on the part of Canada would be a reminder, to people of goodwill on both sides of the border, that this isn’t how the world is supposed to be. We’re better than this.” We’re certainly better than this pompous nonsense. Not only was the problem quickly resolved, the American political situation, as I have mentioned here before, is more complicated. Many Americans are embarrassed by Trump. He is a peculiar amalgam of Archie Bunker, John Wayne, George S. Patton and Leo Durocher (“Nice guys come last”), all recognizable American types, but none of them nor all together representative of the most companionable Americans. Foreigners like weak American presidents like Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, except when they need American strength to protect them, as in the time of Franklin Roosevelt and intermittently since. And most of America’s allies have been freeloaders generously accepting an American military guaranty while completely failing in their commitments to contribute to the collective security of NATO, and Canada’s role in this in the last 25 years has been a disgrace. No less than most of the Europeans, we settle contentedly into thinking of the U.S. as a great St. Bernard that will do the work and take the risks while we hold the leash and instruct and scold. We are indeed, “better than this,” and so is the Globe and Mail. (I have known its editor for many years and he is a delightful and sensible man.) “


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-on-covid-19-the-slanderous-contempt-for-donald-trump-is-unwarranted

 

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3 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

 

“I would no more sit and listen to Rosemary Barton than I’d watch the Polka Dot Door.”

I would have to agree, happened to flip through CBC today and saw/heard Barton briefly.  I cannot see anyone choosing to watch.

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These same 3 letters.  C N N.....keep popping up....OVER & OVER & OVER. Yet people still tune in. :Scratch-Head:
 

Elon Musk Says He’s Surprised That ‘CNN Still Exists’ After Article Alleges He Didn’t Deliver Promised Ventilators

The Tesla CEO then tweeted at Newsom asking him to “fix this misunderstanding” and followed it up with receipts that appeared to prove he had, in fact, sent the ventilators over. The receipt shows email correspondence between Musk and Phillip Franks, LA County Health Services’ Director of System Operations and Support Services.

“They worked great during testing today,” Franks wrote on March 27 according to Musk’s screenshot. “We will put these to use tomorrow! Thanks!”

 

 

 

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/16/elon-musk-surprised-cnn-still-exists-coronavirus-ventilators/

 

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Here's a great example of spin vs perspective:

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/street-racing-up-nearly-200-during-pandemic-toronto-cops

The Toronto Police Service have openly admitted that traffic enforcement is (or was before Covid19) virtually non-existent. All of a sudden, stunting is up 200%.

Nope, oh nay nay, It was always there; it's just that they have the time and resources to do traffic enforcement now. Anyone with a motorcycle who does IBA runs is very likely to share that opinion... we see the length and breadth of Quebec and Ontario multiple times a year. The last 4 full transits of Ontario (Quebec to Manitoba) failed to yield a single traffic stop, and it wasn't for lack of violations. Traffic stops end at the Quebec border and resume on entry into Manitoba.

In fairness though, the streets of Toronto may serve up different stats.... I don't go there and never will. I can only speak to the pathetic, and utterly abysmal lack of enforcement on the east/west thoroughfares. 

 

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"the streets of Toronto" and the Highways around Toronto are two different things.

The OPP Publishes the names and infractions weekly for all to see with regards to Impaired Driving, Speeding, Stunting etc etc etc.

There certainly IS enforcement and there certainly IS an increase.  There are also an insane amount of idiots who now think they can do whatever they want because there is no traffic.

It is more dangerous on the highway now than it was when it was packed.

The City of toronto has too much on their plate for their dismal budget.  Traffic enforcement in the city is still lacking.

 

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"They only pretend to believe these things on television for money."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/politics/john-oliver-fox-news-coronavirus/index.html

The point Oliver was making was that even as many Fox News anchors were pushing the idea that coronavirus was less virulent than the flu and that it was the product of a hyper-partisan media trying to "get" Trump, the company was warning its employees to stay at home and "reducing the staff footprint at our headquarters in New York."
Why the contrast between what their anchors were pushing and the internal guidance being given to staff? Because, as Oliver rightly notes, Fox News is in the business of selling a certain kind of news to its largely conservative (and very large) viewer base. And that "news" is generally speaking, centered around the idea that the mainstream media is in cahoots with Democrats to screw, frighten and otherwise mistreat the average Joe and Jane out there.
Or, as Oliver put it: "Many in conservative media have found it easy to fold this virus into narratives that they have been carefully building up for decades."
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HHhhmmmm....the Finance critic of the Opposition party is now holding a policy speech on CP24 to help small business that have fallen through the cracks.....no coverage on CBC or CTV and as I type this, they cut him off to go back to regular programming (it lasted 5 mins).  I guess we will just have to trust the Liberals and the pseudo parliament.

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42 minutes ago, st27 said:

 I guess we will just have to trust the Liberals and the pseudo parliament.

Canadians have yet to grasp the fact that we have a Dick-tater who is being propped up by socialists and separatists. Normal values of real Canadians no longer matter. 

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On 4/26/2020 at 12:38 PM, Jaydee said:

Canadians have yet to grasp the fact that we have a Dick-tater who is being propped up by socialists and separatists. Normal values of real Canadians no longer matter. 

Never have to the Lieberal Party.

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Excellent video Joe Rogan and Tim Pool video.  It's 3 hours long.  You don't need to watch the whole thing (but you should) - just watch from where it's cued to at 47:35 to 52:50 (about 5 minutes) on the topic of fake news.

 

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15 minutes ago, seeker said:

Yeah, did you watch the 5 minutes in my video above?  The problem isn't "freedom of the press", the problem is a lack of accountability for malicious and irresponsible reporting.

So why is Fox News still in business?

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8 minutes ago, deicer said:

So why is Fox News still in business?

Why is CNN still in business?  BTW, if you think I have any respect for Fox News you're wrong.  The problem is that all of these big news organizations are facing an existential conundrum - if they don't provide angry clickbaity "news" they don't make the money.  The incentive is to fudge, colour and slant everything they do to sell to their base.  I use the big sources for one thing only - to see when "something happened".  Then I will go to my usual (balanced) youtube sources to get the details and even that's a bit of a stretch because I don't usually watch or click anything from them.

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Good Lord I thought I was done with this.... he still shows up in the quotes. 

I'm looking to limit my contact with trolls (who deliberately troll the shallows)I'm wondering if that is even possible today... 

Is there a way to do this or do I just retire and content myself with canceling a single vote from the vortex with one of my own.

On the one hand, I feel as if I have yielded  to the vortex of stupid, on the other though, I have come to realize that the only path forward is to show up on election day and vote em down hard. There is no discussion to be had, only numbers on voting day will suffice.

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2 hours ago, Jaydee said:

I think he’s been trolling the entire forum just for kicks. There can be no other explanation,

I know others who do that too. All of them are smart people doing the exact same thing just for fun.

 Frankly, I feel a bit foolish taking the time to compose responses to someone whose only response will ever be "oh ya, well what about this?" 

I think we are reliving Roman history here and experiencing the same political polarization that brought them to their knees. Fun to watch and no longer anything but entertainment.

As always, the very people in a headlong rush to anarchy are the least equipped to actually deal with it...  in my experience, not a single one of them has ever set foot in Africa to actually experience (see, smell and hear) the fruit of their own stupid. No amount of PTSD inducing experience will ever convince them that they really don't want what they insist on having. I've been to Venezuela on several occasions.... exact same discussions there, history repeats as it always will. 

I'm even willing to bet that the (hypocritical) actions of Democrats will cost them more votes than the alleged actions of Biden (even if those actions are proven true). 

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1 hour ago, Jaydee said:

I think he’s been trolling the entire forum just for kicks. There can be no other explanation,

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It's amusing that to post a differing viewpoint, and to back it up with links to legitimate news outlets makes you a troll according to the person who posts memes/links/videos from unnamed sources.

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6 minutes ago, deicer said:

It's amusing that to post a differing viewpoint, and to back it up with links to legitimate news outlets makes you a troll according to the person who posts memes/links/videos from unnamed sources.

I refute your use of the term "legitimate."

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