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Conservatives....The FUTURE of Ontario !

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5 minutes ago, deicer said:

This is how the Doug Ford government represents themselves, the Health Minister goes for a 'fake' flu shot.  What message does this send?

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4SsSPbFnm6/

HUH.......

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TORONTO – Health Minister Christine Elliott is urging Ontarians to get their flu shots, saying that last year 5,000 people in the province were hospitalized due to the viral infection.

Elliott, who got her vaccine today at a pharmacy, says even if people aren’t concerned about getting sick themselves, it’s important to get the flu shot to protect family, friends and neighbours.

She says it is especially important for young children, pregnant women, and people aged 65 and older.

 

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10 minutes ago, deicer said:

Where was the needle?

Could it be the new “needle free” injection system.? You can clearly see the nurse push down on the plunger.

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You know, if they had real flu shots, people would be complaining about rich entitled white folk getting preferential treatment over the poor....ffs.

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3 hours ago, deicer said:

Where was the needle?

I suspect the video was an ad (likely scripted) but no reason not to believe she had the actual shot done at a local pharmacy. 

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Teachers should make do or find new Work”

"Between 2004 and 2018, total education spending more than doubled from $13.4 billion to $29.1 billion (all figures adjusted to 2018 dollars). This year spending is set to come in at more than $29.8 billion on education and rising each year after that.

Yet somehow to Hammond and his fellow union bosses, this is cutting education spending."

The province’s largest teachers’ union is putting parents and the province on notice that they intend to strike. The Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario has voted 98% in favour of strike action as the union says negotiations have stalled.

“The overwhelming mandate our members have given to ETFO clearly shows they want the Ford government to bargain in good faith and arrive at a deal that is fair and reasonable for our members and that actually supports the students in our schools,” ETFO President Sam Hammond said Friday.

Like all teachers’ union bosses, Hammond likes to say that he and his members are only looking out for the children.

It’s the line the unions have used when they have taken job action against the Wynne and McGuinty Liberal governments, the Harris and Eves PC governments and the Bob Rae NDP government. It’s always worth remembering that teachers’ unions fight every single government they deal with.

In their official statement ETFO said that the Ford government wants to “cut, not invest” in public education.

That’s the claim of people who are worried that the gravy train is about to end. The reality is that the Ford government has not cut education spending, they have only slowed the growth of education spending, a necessity when facing a massive provincial deficit.

Between 2004 and 2018, total education spending more than doubled from $13.4 billion to $29.1 billion (all figures adjusted to 2018 dollars). This year spending is set to come in at more than $29.8 billion on education and rising each year after that.

Yet somehow to Hammond and his fellow union bosses, this is cutting education spending.

In the same time period that education spending more than doubled, the number of teachers in Ontario increased from 112,235 teachers to 125,980 teachers, the province also added 9,054 early childhood educators. Meanwhile, enrolment fell from 2,129,742 students to 2,020,301 students.

“It appears that only teachers and education professionals, not the government, are concerned with the quality of public education that students receive,” Hammond said.

That’s a false claim to make against any government.

I was a staunch critic of the Wynne government over the last few years but I never said that they didn’t care about the quality of the education students were receiving. I said that they were wrong at times, including when provincial math scores were falling, but I never said the premier and her team didn’t care about students.

Speaking of math scores, if Hammond cares so much where was he as math scores fell for Grades 3 and 6? I don’t recall ETFO being front and centre in demanding that the curriculum be changed and that their members not be forced to teach an obviously flawed curriculum.

Maybe that’s because, like their counterparts at the OSSTF, the folks at ETFO are in it for themselves. It’s about the money, not the kids.

Teachers are well paid in Ontario: they get two months off in the summer; they get Christmas, Easter and March Break off; they get a pension most of us can only dream of. Yet, time and again, they look to use our children as bargaining chips to extract even more.

I can only speak for myself, but I think I speak for plenty of parents and taxpayers when I say that I’ve had enough. The education system is well funded and still isn’t performing properly.

If the folks at ETFO don’t like their jobs or working conditions, then they should quit and find a job in the real world with the rest of us.

You’ll see how quickly their attitude changes.

 

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-teachers-should-make-due-or-find-new-work

 

 

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On 11/3/2019 at 2:57 PM, Jaydee said:

Yet somehow to Hammond and his fellow union bosses, this is cutting education spending."

The same thing happened in Alberta a few years ago.  One politician made a commitment for a $75million increase to spending and the next one in said NO.

This became a CUT and the yelling from the union got louder.

Now we have kindergarten teachers making $100,000 a year. 

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1 hour ago, Fido said:

The same thing happened in Alberta a few years ago.  One politician made a commitment for a $75million increase to spending and the next one in said NO.

This became a CUT and the yelling from the union got louder.

Now we have kindergarten teachers making $100,000 a year. 

Kindergarten teachers making 100,000. ?   Are you sure?  Perhaps for a High School teacher after 10 years but ./..............................

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7 minutes ago, Marshall said:

Kindergarten teachers making 100,000. ?   Are you sure?  Perhaps for a High School teacher after 10 years but ./..............................

With a basic teachers degree and a few courses of onward education. (which they take at summer school).

The ATA contract does not care what grade level they teach, just what courses they signed up for and passed.

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51 minutes ago, Fido said:

With a basic teachers degree and a few courses of onward education. (which they take at summer school).

The ATA contract does not care what grade level they teach, just what courses they signed up for and passed.

Facts, please.....  Of course a new pilot can earn up to 300,000.00 a year....... if all criteria is followed.

From the ata agreement:

  Minimum Years of postsecondary education as evaluated by TQS and years of teacher experience:

Years of
Teacher
Experience


Years of Post Secondary Education
  Four Five Six
0 59,054 62,514 66,475
1 62,514 65,982 69,932
2 65,982 69,447 73,400
3 69,447 72,900 76,862
4 72,900 76,360 80,319
5 76,360 79,831 83,789
6 79,831 83,293 87,250
7 83,293 86,754 90,709
8 86,754 90,223 94,170
9 90,223 93,681 97,641
10 93,912 97,372 101,331

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11 hours ago, Marshall said:

Years of
Teacher
Experience


Years of Post Secondary Education
  Four Five Six
0 59,054 62,514 66,475
1 62,514 65,982 69,932
2 65,982 69,447 73,400
3 69,447 72,900 76,862
4 72,900 76,360 80,319
5 76,360 79,831 83,789
6 79,831 83,293 87,250
7 83,293 86,754 90,709
8 86,754 90,223 94,170
9 90,223 93,681 97,641
10 93,912 97,372 101,331

Teaching positions have been as scarce as hens teeth for years so I would think the great majority of the present batch are in the top brackets. It took our daughter and her husband over 5 years of part time to finally get a full time position teaching high school.

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Depends on where you live.  I know people that got full time right out of teachers college.

The attrition rate would need to be very low to have ll the teachers in the top bracket.  Sure many are but many more are not. 

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On 9/16/2019 at 11:08 AM, deicer said:

Fiscal restraint? Doug Ford's Ontario government spent billions more than Wynne had planned in 2018-19

 

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Them good, them bad.  The debate will go on and on and on.  Check in 30 years from now and we will see what history shows.  In the mean time, why waste our, yours and my time debating?????? None of which which change a damn thing?/////

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8 hours ago, Marshall said:

Them good, them bad.  The debate will go on and on and on.  Check in 30 years from now and we will see what history shows.  In the mean time, why waste our, yours and my time debating?????? None of which which change a damn thing?/////

Because that’s what forums are for ? Sing alongggggg.        😂😂😂

 

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27 minutes ago, deicer said:

Kathleen lost, live in today...

Believe me when I say I wish we could live in today.

Unfortunately ........NDP and LIBERAL screw ups........ will haunt Ontarians for generations. Maybe it’s time for YOU to live in todays reality and put the blame squarely where it belong....Predominantly on Liberal mismanagement.....and not the person trying to keep us from literally drowning.

When the Liberals took control of Ontario in 2003 under McGuinty the total debt was manageable at 133 billion. 17 years later it sits at  THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX BILLION. 
 

This is the hand Ford has been dealt !!!! 
 

 

“ Ontario’s net public debt is estimated at $287.3 billion and will hit nearly $320 billion by 2017.  The evolution of this daunting number is an interesting story as the spring budget approaches. Much like Rome, Ontario’s debt was not built in a day but comes from decades of profligacy. Ontario has run a deficit nearly 80% of the time since 1965.

( Had to look this one up....Profligacy ...reckless extravagance or wastefulness in the use of resources.)

"( the government returned to fiscal profligacy" )

In 1965, John Robarts was premier and the net debt a mere $1.6 billion. As a share of GDP, it was only 6.9%. By the time Robarts passed on the political torch to William Davis in 1971, Ontario’s public debt had grown to $2.2 billion but the robust economic growth of the era reduced the net debt to GDP ratio to 5.2%. In terms of Ontario’s debt to GDP ratio, the Robarts era is as good as it gets.

The period 1971 to 1985 was the William Davis era with an appearance by Frank Miller at the tail end. The 1973 oil price shock and stagflation marked the end of the economic golden age. The result was slower growth, higher interest rates and the start of deficits that continued practically unabated until the late 1990s. Debt mounted and between 1971 and 1985 Ontario’s net public debt grew to $28.9 billion from $2.2 billion. The Davis-Miller era averaged an addition of about $2 billion a year to Ontario’s debt and the net debt to GDP ratio grew to 15% from 5.2%.

In 1985, the Liberals under David Peterson arrived, marking the defeat of Ontario’s four-decade conservative dynasty. Ontario’s economy boomed during the 1980s and the net debt to GDP ratio fell to 13.4% from 15% by 1990. However, all this meant was debt accumulation occurred at a slower pace than economic growth, as deficits were incurred in every year of the Peterson administration except for a small surplus in 1989. Ontario’s net public debt rose from $28.9 billion in 1985 and reached $38.4 billion by 1990. Yet, all this would pale compared to what was coming in the 1990s.

In 1990, Bob Rae became premier with the NDP forming Ontario’s government for the first time in history. Their tenure coincided with the worst recession since the end of WWII, resulting in plunging revenues and growing expenditures in an effort to maintain services and stimulate the economy. The resulting deficits were as high as $12.4 billion and saw the accumulation of $63.4 billion in net public debt. The net debt to GDP ratio soared to 30.4% from 13.4%. By 1995, Ontario’s net public debt had reached $101.9 billion.

The NDP government was replaced in 1995 by Mike Harris’s Conservative government, which began expenditure reduction and restructuring to balance the budget as well as tax reductions to stimulate the economy. Lower taxes, lower interest rates and a booming U.S. economy together helped Ontario’s economy rebound and government revenues grew, helping close the budgetary gap. Ontario balanced its budget by 1999 but its net debt still grew to $138.8 billion under Ernie Eves in 2003 from $101.9 billion in 1995. However, the net debt to GDP ratio declined to 27.5% from 30.4%.

The defeat of Eves ushered in the Liberals under Dalton McGuinty in 2003 and then Kathleen Wynne in 2013. This period witnessed the largest debt accumulation in Ontario’s history. While the onset of the 2009 recession was a factor damaging Ontario’s public finances, rapid increases in health and education spending and rising debt were underway well before 2009. Between 2003 and 2014, net public debt grew to $287.3 billion from $138.8 billion– an increase of $148.5 billion. The net debt to GDP ratio grew to 40% from 27.5%.

Ontario has been a province since 1867 but 87% of its net public debt was accumulated in the years since 1990. The stock of debt currently requires $11 billion a year in debt service – a burden as small as it is only by the grace of low interest rates. All administrations have contributed to Ontario’s debt with some playing a greater role than others. The road to debt may be paved with good intentions in the short run but in the long run, fiscal consequences will resonate with the Ontario taxpayer for years to come.” 

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/brief-history-of-ontario-public-debt

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_government_debt

 

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The interesting thing about what you just posted was the reference to 'debt to GDP' ratio.  

Wasn't that what Trudeau was talking about?  So if it's good for conservatives to lower that ratio while the debt goes up, why is it bad when the Liberals do that?

'Splain me that please.....

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“ Unfortunately, when voters tossed out the former Liberal government of Ontario in last year’s election, they couldn’t rid themselves of the complete mess the Grits left in their wake on the electricity file.

As a result, Ontario taxpayers and hydro ratepayers are continuing to pay for the multiple blunders of the 15-year Liberal reign of error on hydro pricing, presided over by former premier Kathleen Wynne and her predecessor, Dalton McGuinty.”

 

https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-were-still-paying-for-liberal-hydro-blunders?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1573002273

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35 minutes ago, deicer said:

debt to GDP' ratio.  

As far as I am concerned as a “Fiscal Conservative” verses a “Social Liberal “ .....Debt is Debt no matter how you spin or justify  it.....and at some point it will have to be paid down once interest payments become unsustainable. Wynne or Trudeau  SSDD.

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32 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

 Wynne or Trudeau  SSDD.

Or Harper, or Harris, or Ford...

They all tax and spend, and I will keep on saying that.

I just don't support corporate welfare and the concentration of wealth.....

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Ford continued the Liberal policy of paying for things, expensive things, that we will never see.  Much like the Gas plant scandal wher the taxpayer was on the hook for billions, Ford cancelled several energy contracts that were literally weeks from completion.  So we the tax payer paid hundreds of millions in penalties and still received nothing in return.  All so Ford can say he stuck it to the Liberals.  Problem is he didn't stick it to the Liberals, he stuck it to the taxpayer.

You absolutely CAN NOT praise Ford and Talk Down Wynne in the same conversation.  They are doing EXACTLY the same things.  The only difference is that Ford is making Huge cuts (Same as Harris before him) to the same detriment of ontario.

No one ever claimed that Drug Addicts understood economics.

 

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And now Doug is trying to avoid being questioned on what he is trying to accomplish.  Isn't that a step on the road to dictatorship rather than democracy?

https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2019/11/06/ford-government-trying-to-curb-debate-in-legislature-ndp-charges.html

The Ford government is looking at new measures that would allow it to pass bills faster — and also allow the premier to avoid questions addressed to him in the legislature.

And while the NDP plans to fight the reforms, saying they’ll lead to less public scrutiny, the changes have the support of the Liberal, Green and independent members.

“As it is, Doug Ford has done his best to prevent the people of Ontario from having any opportunity to weigh in on changes that impact them,” said NDP House Leader Gilles Bisson.

 

The reforms are “just about making the house work better, work smoother, (with) more opportunities for the independents to speak,” Government House Leader Paul Calandra said at Queen’s Park on Wednesday.

“We’ve put a number of proposals on the table and at this point we’re seeking feedback from the opposition members,” Calandra said. “It was never our intention to go unilaterally on these.”

New Democrat MPP Sara Singh said the government “wants to ram through legislation that they haven’t consulted on in the first place in order to pretend that they are getting their jobs done.”

Singh charged that a proposal giving the premier the option not to acknowledge questions directed at him — currently, he must stand and has the choice of referring the matter to the appropriate minister — will let Ford “pass the buck even further.”

 
 

“We haven’t seen the premier answering questions in the house unless they are put forth by one of his own backbench members,” she added,

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51 minutes ago, boestar said:

 

No one ever claimed that Drug Addicts understood economics.

 

Sorry for the small correction, his brother was the addict, he was the dealer....

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