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Refitting our Armed Forces and Coast Guard

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33 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

in my world we would never put any of armed forces into any conflict by choice

It is in the absence of choice and the dynamic nature of that absence that invariably proves problematic. All too often it's the opposing forces that define the actions taken in defiance of anything we might have previously decided. Warfare is relatively simple, it's just not easy and it's definitely not cheap. 

Traditional archery comes to mind as analogous. The bow, the string, the draw weight, the brace hight, the nock point, the arrows, fletching, head etc are all part of the equation. It's actually all pretty simple, it's just not easy. Every part plays its role and effects all others. Take away one and you have lost all.

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45 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

 

It is in the absence of choice and the dynamic nature of that absence that invariably proves problematic. All too often it's the opposing forces that define the actions taken in defiance of anything we might have previously decided. Warfare is relatively simple, it's just not easy and it's definitely not cheap. 

Traditional archery comes to mind as analogous. The bow, the string, the draw weight, the brace hight, the nock point, the arrows, fletching, head etc are all part of the equation. It's actually all pretty simple, it's just not easy. Every part plays its role and effects all others. Take away one and you have lost all.

You are back to the old "for want of a nail, a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe a horse was lost etc etc etc. 

Wolf: to make it very simple.  If we think we should have or are a world power (armed forces that is) we need to bite the bullet and then man and equip them to be so.  If we are not willing to do that then we owe it to them and ourselves to clearly define their "real role" and then man / equip them to carry out those missions.  We need to stop our governments from tossing our forces into harms way  (political goals) unless we do the proceeding.  End of conversation as I think we are going down the same path (maybe).

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9 hours ago, Malcolm said:

You are back to the old "for want of a nail, a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe a horse was lost etc etc etc. 

 

Yes - exactly right... the concept of defence in depth. BTW, Clausewitz was of the opinion that "War is the continuation of politics by other means." It was always so I think.

Putting aside the value of fast air to army and naval operations, fighters protect airspace and airspace is the domain of the rest of your air force. 

This applies to small skirmishes (and their avoidance) as well as large scale multinational  operations so the notion of having to be a "world power" is misleading. Even the Canadian Arctic, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Hans Island and protection of the 200 mile economic limit provide grounds for numerous entertaining scenarios all on their own merits.

Since you wish to terminate the conversation, I'll leave you with a final thought. Ironically, the biggest threat to maintaining a fighter capability here is now the retention of experienced pilots and the force generation issues that entails. Most people consider being short of pilots a "pilot shortage"but that's a bit simplistic. Lacking the resources to train your way out of the deficit is the deciding factor and the RCAF is already there. They need (at least) one of two things, either a downturn in the economy and layoffs in the industry or the reduction of an allied air force from which they can secure a cadre of military aircrew (as was the case in downsizing the RAF). The influx of experienced RAF aircrew was a godsend and came at exactly the right time. Cheers

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I really get annoyed when politicians and citizens navel gaze and thump their chests bragging how great Canada is, focussing on social programs...when our military, law enforcement, coast guard and basic infrastructure crumble around us....to the point we resemble a third world nation......

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”And the problems are expected to get worse: the documents warn that more than a third of the coast guard's 26 large vessels have exceeded their expected lifespans and many won't survive until replacements arrive.”

"Vessels are at increasing risk of unrecoverable failure," reads one PowerPoint presentation prepared by coast guard officials last summer and marked "secret." "Many ships will not remain operational until their replacements arrive."

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