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So Toronto, remember when you thought it would be cool to be seen as a liberal, inclusive, Sanctuary City?

Drop the status and maybe we can talk about bailing you out, if not, suck it up and pay the piper. While you are deciding riddle me this, what did you think was going to happen? 

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/toronto-seeks-help-for-dealing-with-refugee-claimants-in-shelters

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The Trudeau government is already 'helping' Quebec and Montreal by paying to ship their migrants West so why not help Toronto too?

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7 hours ago, Fido said:

The Trudeau government is already 'helping' Quebec and Montreal by paying to ship their migrants West so why not help Toronto too?

This article specifically deals with Toronto, but yes, any city that deliberately and wilfully invokes policies designed to limit cooperation and involvement in federal immigration enforcement actions should be on its own financial hook.

In fact, simply renouncing the status isn’t good enough, at this stage a heartfelt apology is in order too. If you want the "status" be willing to pay the price for it. Why is the concept of being willing to pay for what you purport to believe in (especially if you make a grand show of it) such a radically foreign concept to liberal voters (and their governments)? This entire situation, from the unplugged loophole to the over crowded shelters is self inflicted and a product of virtue signalling run amuck. Liberal buffoonery will never be placated until they are forced to pick up their own tab and clean up their own mess. A good spanking is in order here.

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10 hours ago, Fido said:

The Trudeau government is already 'helping' Quebec and Montreal by paying to ship their migrants West so why not help Toronto too?

Since Toronto is west of Montreal and is a sanctuary city, maybe a good destination? :-}

 

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"and 3,890 non-refugee claimants." (per night)

 

But didn't they just tell us all was well as evidenced by the low number of UI claims?

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We are being taken advantage of.  The tap needs to be shut off.

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The truth on Roxham Road and the border crisis

Trudeau now building a PERMANENT STRUCTURE at illegal border crossing.

 

“ Last year it was more than 20,000 illegal crossings, this year we are on track for triple that amount, 60,000 unless something changes.

I’ve been saying for a while that Trudeau and his government need to deal with this issue and soon but I’ve become convinced that they don’t want a solution that stops the border crisis, they want to use it as a wedge issue in the next election. “ 

 

http://brianlilley.com/the-truth-on-roxham-road-and-the-border-crisis/

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So if he is building a permanent structure, wont it become a bona fide land crossing and thereby, eliminate the loophole????

If he maintains the un-official crossing status, then he is truly guilty of not protecting Canadas borders and its citizens.

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58 minutes ago, st27 said:

So if he is building a permanent structure, wont it become a bona fide land crossing and thereby, eliminate the loophole????

If he maintains the un-official crossing status, then he is truly guilty of not protecting Canadas borders and its citizens.

Good point but I think it would need the US to also build on their side.

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5 minutes ago, st27 said:

He can’t have it both ways!

So far he has gotten away with that.  Time will only tell.  I see today he is taking the credit for Amazon increasing their tech staffing in Vancouver. As if he had anything to do with that unless of course they are only coming because of our lower value CDN dollar to pay their new staff.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/amazon-vancouver-new-jobs-1.4641765?cmp=rss

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This may herald a forthcoming change in policy or procedure… use of the word “migrant” is telling, not so much by a newspaper but by the government.

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-border-services-working-with-rcmp-on-migrants-raises-questions

The first step in changing gears is to change the narrative from poor refuges escaping persecution (the original Liberal pitch), to migrant opportunists seeking to take advantage of Canadian generosity. Keep in mind that nothing has changed here except the number of people taking (us) up on a foolish invitation freely offered. Liberals are nothing if not predictable and their cherished values count for nothing (yes nothing) actually N O T H I N G... it deserves a big shout. Character and values only shine when tested in the context of "say the dance do the dance". These loathsome creatures need to be reduced to less than official party status.  551 days 13 hours 45 mins to go. In the mean time, they should be confined in a room and subjected to The Wiggles theme song at max volume until they repent. Facta, non verba.

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Evidently the US is studying a proposal that the Minister says was  never made.  Hmmmmm

 
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U.S. says it's studying Canada's border pact proposal as Hussen downplays talk of negotiations

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security says it is reviewing a proposal to amend a border pact to manage asylum seekers, but Canada's immigration minister insists no formal talks are happening yet.

Liberal government insists no formal talks are underway to amend Safe Third Country Agreement

Kathleen Harris · CBC News · Posted: May 01, 2018 2:42 PM ET | Last Updated: 44 minutes ago
 
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Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen insists there are no formal negotiations underway to amend the Safe Third Country Agreement, but a U.S. Homeland Security spokesperson says Canada has presented a proposal that is now under review. (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press)

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security says it is reviewing a proposal to amend a border pact to manage asylum seekers, but Canada's immigration minister insists no formal talks on the topic are happening right now.

"DHS is currently reviewing the proposal made by Canada to amend the Safe Third Country Agreement, but we have no decision to announce at this time," said a U.S. government spokesperson in an email.

The spokesperson said border patrol agencies on both sides of the border collaborate on security efforts and that elements of the U.S. government — including Department of Homeland Security and the State Department — are working closely with the government of Canada "to understand the evolving flow of northbound asylum seekers, including through joint CBP-CBSA analysis and collaboration by ICE and the State Department at U.S. embassies and consulates overseas."

Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen insists there are no "formal negotiations" underway, but noted that the Safe Third Country Agreement (STCA) agreement was implemented in 2004 and could be due for an update.

"It's 14 years old now. As (with) any other agreement, there's always room for improvement, there's always room for growth," he told reporters after a cabinet meeting in Ottawa.

"Those discussions are ongoing. In terms of a formal negotiation process, that is simply not there."

Last year, Hussen rejected calls to suspend the agreement, saying there was no need to "tinker" with it. More than 200 academics wrote a letter calling on the government to suspend the STCA after U.S. President Donald Trump's immigration policies caused widespread uncertainty and drove many people without formal status in the U.S. to cross the border into Canada.

'Great tool'

Hussen called the bilateral pact to manage asylum seekers a "great tool."

"It's been an amazing experience for Canada and a good agreement for Canada and the United States on the joint management of asylum seekers," he said.

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said the government is prepared to "have a conversation" about amending the agreement.

"This is very exploratory at the moment, scoping issues and potential solutions," he said. "It's very early days."

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale spoke to reporters after cabinet on Tuesday 0:54

But he also rejected the U.S. government's assertion that a proposal is on the table.

"No. There's no formal proposal at the moment. There is a conversation about how we make our border, both ways, strong, effective and secure from the perspective of both countries," he told reporters.

'Entirely impractical'

Asked about the Conservative pitch to have the STCA apply to the entire border, Goodale said that's "entirely impractical" because it would push people to more remote and dangerous crossing points, which would undermine border security.

"It's not a wise proposition," he said.

The STCA requires asylum seekers to make their claim in the first safe country they arrive in, unless they qualify for an exception spelled out in the agreement.

The agreement applies only to claimants trying to enter at official land border crossings, by train or at airports, which is why some are making the trek into Canada outside official crossing points.

PM protecting 'brand'

Conservative immigration critic Michelle Rempel suggested that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is failing to manage the asylum situation in order to protect his political "brand" as a leader who welcomes refugees.

"This is about Canadian sovereignty. It's about the integrity of our immigration system, and it's about compassion," she said. "People should have a successful experience when they come to Canada, not have a direct line to a homeless shelter."

Asked about the government's plan in the House of Commons, Trudeau said managing the issue is essential for fairness and to ensure continued public support for immigration.

"We are going to remain compassionate while ensuring our laws are enforced," he

 

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I think thee is no doubt about it, they have started the "liberal babble speak" required to get this going. By designating (what used to be) poor refugees as "migrants" and opportunistic ones at that, they can extract themselves from the situation that was of their own (virtue signalling) creation. It simply needs to be repeated often enough for liberal supporters to adopt the lingo and latch on to the concept that they are "being taken advantage of". When people lack integrity and can't live up to their own stated standards, their actions become easy to predict. Liberals are like children with a pet, they want it until they get it, then, somehow it becomes my problem. WDYTWGTH?

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8 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

I think thee is no doubt about it, they have started the "liberal babble speak" required to get this going. By designating (what used to be) poor refugees as "migrants" and opportunistic ones at that, they can extract themselves from the situation that was of their own (virtue signalling) creation. It simply needs to be repeated often enough for liberal supporters to adopt the lingo and latch on to the concept that they are "being taken advantage of". When people lack integrity and can't live up to their own stated standards, their actions become easy to predict. Liberals are like children with a pet, they want it until they get it, then, somehow it becomes my problem. WDYTWGTH?

ICYMI...

Control the words, Control the culture

 

 

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1 hour ago, Wolfhunter said:

Liberals are like children with a pet, they want it until they get it, then, somehow it becomes my problem.

Typical Lieberal actions

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Leak it a bit at a time, use semi official but credible "sources" and make it seem as though you had no other choice, that circumstances (created by "them") forced you to abandon your values and it was "their" fault. An old song, and even though it's out of tune, believers will still hum it. When they stop becoming   predictable, my universe will collapse.

http://torontosun.com/news/national/malcolm-official-says-cbsa-being-muzzled-by-trudeau-government

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FEDS TACKLE THE BORDER

Illegal crossings continue

  • Calgary Herald
  • 2 May 2018
  • Tristin Hopper
getimage.aspx?regionKey=OOydro918MSLkVi9tl%2fuRA%3d%3dRYAN REMIORZ / THE CANADIAN PRESS FILES Asylum seekers approach RCMP officers while crossing the Canadian border at Champlain, N.Y., last August.

The federal government wants to change a bilateral agreement with the U.S. in a bid to turn back thousands of asylum seekers — a move that comes as more people are now seeking refugee status in Canada by illegal means rather than legal ones.

The repercussions from Canada’s ongoing migrant crisis has meant that the federal government is now building an unofficial police station on the U.S. border because of the large number of Mounties needed to process illegal border crossings in rural Quebec.

Meanwhile, in Toronto last week, Mayor John Tory announced that the number of refugee claimants in the city’s shelter system has quadrupled from 459 per night in 2016 to an average of 2,351 in 2018.

And at least one Quebec politician is calling for a border fence with the U.S. “We have several good fence builders in Quebec, so we’re spoiled for choice,” Parti Québécois Leader Jean-François Lisée said last week.

In the first three months of 2018, the RCMP intercepted 5,052 asylum seekers who had entered Canada by unlawfully crossing the country’s border with the United States. This compares with 4,475 people who filed refugee claims using conventional means, such as claiming asylum at a land border or airport.

If these trends continue, 2018 will become the first year on record in which a majority of Canadian asylum seekers will have filed their claim after first making an unlawful crossing of the Canadian border.

“It is my belief that border crossers will exceed conventional refugees probably in 2018,” said Raj Sharma, a Calgary-based immigration lawyer and former refugee protection officer.

He noted, “the temperature’s not going down in the U.S. in terms of irregular migrants.”

The illegal crossings have been spawned in part by a loophole in what’s known as the Safe Third Country Agreement with the U.S. Under this measure, guards at the Canada-U.S. border are authorized to turn away asylum seekers on the grounds that they are already in a safe country.

However, the agreement only refers to ports of entry, and does not apply to an asylum seeker who has entered Canada illegally.

Reuters reported that Canada wants the agreement rewritten to apply to the entire border.

“We’ve got a problem, here. We’ve got to fix it. And we need the Americans’ cooperation,” one Canadian official told Reuters.

On Tuesday, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said Canada is in “exploratory” talks with the U.S. over the agreement but dismissed claims that Liberals want the agreement to encompass the entire border.

“That … would increase insecurity at the border and make the crossing issues less safe,” he said.

He said the aim would be to stem the flow of refugee claimants.

“It’s a discussion we’re having with the Americans about the various techniques that could be pursued on both sides of the border to ensure security and integrity,” Goodale said.

The Conservatives called the discussions with the U.S. administration “too little, too late.”

“Not only are these discussions taking place too late, the Trudeau government has failed to be transparent,” immigration critic Michelle Rempel said in a statement.

She noted that Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen has stated since last fall and as recently as March 19 that the government had not

NOT ONLY ARE THESE DISCUSSIONS TAKING PLACE TOO LATE, THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED TO BE TRANSPARENT.

spoken to the United States about renegotiating the agreement.

“This is in direct contradiction to today’s reports that claim discussions began last September,” she said.

Although the bordercrossers were initially composed largely of Haitians fearing deportation by U.S. President Donald Trump, they have since grown to encompass other nationalities, including large numbers of Nigerians who entered the U.S. on tourist visas.

Last year, the RCMP intercepted 20,593 people at the Canada-U.S. border who subsequently claimed asylum. This is compared to 29,276 people who filed refugee claims through conventional means.

Already, RCMP “interceptions” of asylum seekers are more than twice what they were at this point in 2017, and officials are expecting as many as 400 border-crossers per day during the summer.

Many of those crossings are occurring at a single point on the Quebec/New York border that has become world-renowned as the easiest unauthorized route into Canada.

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Enough with the refugee thing already. These people need to fix the problems in their homelands instead of coming here.

No one seems to want to even try to answer the obvious question ...

When asked people always tell the media they're in favour of continuing immigration, but no one ever asks what the benefit to this Country is in doing so?

Robotics ARE going to take over in factories and all sorts of other applications that once provided low skill jobs for the masses. So what do you do with millions of uneducated, unskilled people that have no hope of ever finding meaningful employment?

 

 

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Well my first answer would be that Canadians need to screw more.  With a Birth rate of 1.6 we are far below the sustainable rate of 2.8.  sow we need to fill the gap with IMMIGRATION.  When I say that I mean proper immigration.  Go through the motions and wait your turn kind of immigration.  The refugees can stay in the US as far as Im concerned.

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“ Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau echoed a complaint made over the weekend by members of the Canadian government, claiming in a speech Wednesday that Canada's sudden uptick in illegal immigration — something the country cannot handle — is all America's fault.”

“ The United States told Reuters that they are considering Canada's proposal, but haven't made up their minds yet. Part of that problem may be that Trudeau was clear when President Donald Trump first spoke about his stricter immigration policies that Canada would be more than willing to take in any immigrant that couldn't find a place in the United States.”

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jaydee said:

is all America's fault

How can not stopping illegal entry into Canada be the USA's fault?

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11 hours ago, boestar said:

Well my first answer would be that Canadians need to screw more.  With a Birth rate of 1.6 we are far below the sustainable rate of 2.8.  

We abort the equivalent of the entire population of YQT every year... different thread I know, disgusting none the less.

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I wonder where the voices are on this story, you know the ones who think the libs can do no wrong and also think that  the POTUS can do nothing right.

John Ivison: Liberals turn a blind eye to border jumpers to keep Trump happy

 
‎Today, ‎May ‎4, ‎2018, ‏‎2 hours ago | John Ivison

The Safe Third Country Agreement between Canada and the U.S. has been exposed as an oxymoron, like friendly fire or jumbo shrimp.

Quite simply, there is no agreement.

Canada thinks asylum seekers should request refugee protection in the first safe country in which they arrive — i.e., the U.S.

The Americans, on the other hand, are quite happy to see illegal aliens deport themselves to Canada, using a loophole in the agreement that they would prefer not to close.

If asylum seekers cross into Canada somewhere other than an official point of entry — even if they are in plain sight of a border checkpoint — they can claim protection under the Charter of Rights and undergo security checks as potential refugees. Those who pass those checks are admitted to Canada, are free to move around the country and are eligible for health and social assistance benefits, until their case is heard by the Immigration and Refugee Board.

 

Around 2,000 people a month are currently being intercepted by the RCMP, crossing into Quebec between ports of entry.

Mike MacDonald, an associate assistant deputy minister at the Citizenship and Immigration department, told a parliamentary committee on Thursday there are a number of “challenges” with the Safe Third Country Agreement — namely, it’s 14 years old and doesn’t reflect modern biometric technologies. But mainly — and I’m paraphrasing here — because it doesn’t work when it comes to the principle upon which it relies — that asylum seekers seek protection in the first country where they can.

He said Canada has been in “constant contact” with the U.S. about the Roxham Road crossing, near St. Bernard-de-Lacolle, Que., where many of the illegal crossings take place. But he said no formal negotiations to make the entire border subject to the agreement are taking place.

Michelle Rempel, the Conservative immigration critic, said Friday that MacDonald’s testimony provides evidence that officials are doing what the Trudeau government is refusing to do, “finally sending a proposal to deal with the influx of illegal border crossings.”

But it is hard to negotiate with someone who doesn’t want to talk.

Jason Kenney, the former federal immigration minister, said he asked Janet Napolitano, his U.S. counterpart at Homeland Security, about closing the loophole and was told it was a “non-starter” because it is impossible to address immigration issues in Washington without a comprehensive reform bill. “I think that was disingenuous,” he said Friday.

Reuters quoted a Homeland Security spokeswoman last week saying the government is reviewing a Canadian proposal to amend the agreement.

But Canada would be advised not to set great store in such words. Trump has made clear that America is no longer a refuge for the world’s huddled masses.

Canada continues to be exceptionally welcoming to the homeless and tempest-tossed, taking in 46,000 in 2016. More asylum claimants crossed into Canada at its border with the United States last year than were welcomed as refugees from Syria the previous year.

 

But whereas the Syrian migration was planned and by invitation, the waves of humanity flooding across the border in Quebec is illegal and cannot be allowed to continue unabated. This is not a nativist argument — it’s a legal one.

The number of would-be refugees claiming asylum at the border has doubled in the past five years. This is not just a problem that emerged with the election of Donald Trump, though his hostile attitude towards immigrants has given it impetus.

One government source said up to 70 per cent of current illegal asylum seekers crossing in Quebec come from Nigeria, after obtaining visas to visit the U.S. Immigration and Refugee Minister Ahmed Hussen is planning to visit Nigeria in the coming days to reinforce the message that claimants are not guaranteed permanent haven.

The Opposition is calling for more definitive, unilateral action. Rempel has advocated that Parliament designate the entire border a technical point of entry. “The minister says that’s unworkable, but we’re just talking about a technical definition. Why can’t we do that?”

The government’s line is that to do so would be potentially dangerous, since it would incentivize people to cross at more remote locations and evade detection by Canadian law enforcement.

For a small minority, maybe so. But it would be a huge disincentive to head north for the majority of those shopping for asylum.

Conservative MP Michelle Rempel

The real reason why the Liberals are not prepared to act on Rempel’s idea is that they don’t want to upset the Americans at such a delicate time in the bilateral relationship.

“It may also violate our international obligations and the Safe Third Country Agreement,” said a statement from the office of Ralph Goodale, the Public Safety Minister.

So there’s the nub of it.

At Roxham Road, there are signs that read: “It is illegal to cross the border here — you will be arrested and detained if you cross here.”

But they are ignored by migrants, well aware that they will be released to enjoy the fruits of the Canadian welfare system.

The reason they are able to cross in the first place is because the Canadian government does not want to abrogate an international agreement that doesn’t work but can’t be renegotiated because the Americans want rid of immigrants from what their president referred to as “**bleep**-hole countries.”

The Liberals claim they have an unwavering commitment to ensuring Canadian law is applied and that the country’s international obligations are respected. The truth is, those goals are mutually exclusive — and the government is clear about its priority.

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