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Let’s ditch the “asylum seekers” title...they are MIGRANTS that will be living off the public purse for quite a while.

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Sounds like it is time to guard our border and stop them from crossing.  Nah, the libs will just shovel more of our money into the deep hole created when Justin held out his open arms.

APRIL 20, 2018 / 1:10 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

Canada moves to ease pressure on Quebec as asylum seeker numbers grow

TORONTO (Reuters) - Canada’s government has pledged to help the province of Quebec cope with a growing influx of asylum seekers crossing from the United States, as officials say the province is reaching “saturation point.”

The Lacolle Border crossing into the United States is seen from Lacolle, Quebec, Canada, February 13, 2017. REUTERS/Christinne Muschi

The federal government said this week it will review a breakdown of costs Quebec has incurred as thousands of refugee claimants arrive in need of housing and social support.

Canada also said it will work to divert newcomers away from Montreal, Quebec’s largest city, to regions better equipped to welcome them.

“Quebec’ resources are at a saturation point,” Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters this week. Federal and provincial officials met on Wednesday, and federal ministers said afterward they would take steps to help the province.

More than 26,000 people have crossed the Canada-U.S. border illegally to file refugee claims in Canada in the past 15 months - a dramatic departure from previous years, when so few crossed the government didn’t keep track.

The influx has strained Canada’s refugee system, worsening backlogs in refugee tribunals and sending aid agencies scrambling.

The number of border-crossers peaked at 5,712 in August, 2017 and dropped to about 2,000 a month over the winter but has picked up again, with Canadian police intercepting 6,373 in the first 3-1/2 months of 2018.

The vast majority of these refugee claimants crossed into the primarily French-speaking province of Quebec, where the influx sparked political tensions in an election year and backlash from anti-immigrant groups. iBut while the federal government pledged to ease the pressure on Quebec, it has yet to find places to send people. Toronto, Canada’s largest city, has also been stretched by a refugee claimant influx.

The government must also determine how refugee claimants will travel, and asylum seekers would have to be willing. “We can’t tell people where to go,” said Mathieu Genest, a spokesman for federal Immigration and Refugees Minister Ahmed Hussen.

Heurtel said the steps were in the right direction.

The most recent arrivals have been predominantly Nigerian, many of them with valid U.S. visas, Genest said, suggesting they were using the United States as a transit point.

Canadian officials have been in touch with their U.S. counterparts about this, Genest said.

 

“If someone is using the U.S. as a conduit to get to Canada it means that they are not using the visa for what the visa’s intended for.”

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Evidently we are going to shuttle the illegals to elsewhere in Canada when they cross into Quebec. Why the hell can we not shuttle them back into the US where it appears many hold valid visas?

Asylum seekers could be moved out of Quebec as part of deal with Ottawa

Federal officials propose new options for migrants as Quebec government complains of drain on resources

Jonathan Montpetit · CBC News · Posted: Apr 23, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 20 minutes ago
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RCMP officers intercepted a total of 18,836 asylum seekers in Quebec in 2017. The Quebec government fears that number could be higher this year. (Geoff Robins/AFP/Getty Images)

Asylum seekers crossing illegally into Quebec could be shuttled elsewhere in Canada starting this week as the federal government seeks to relieve pressure on the province's strained resources.

Quebec has been complaining that Ottawa hasn't shouldered its share of the costs associated with sheltering the thousands of asylum seekers who are entering the province from the U.S.

Already this year, more than 5,500 migrants have crossed illegally into Quebec, federal immigration officials said during a briefing last week.

That compares with about 2,000 by this time last year, raising concerns that warmer weather could bring a summer rush, as happened in 2017. RCMP officers intercepted 18,836 asylum seekers in Quebec in 2017.

The unexpected influx left authorities and advocates scrambling to provide the new arrivals with housing, clothing and education.

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Premier Philippe Couillard, right, and Immigration Minister David Heurtel in a 2017 file photo. Quebec has complained that Ottawa hasn't shouldered its share of the costs associated with sheltering thousands of asylum seekers. (Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)

The military set up a temporary camp near the busiest point at which migrants were crossing into Quebec, Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle's Roxham Road, and even the Olympic Stadium was pressed into service as an emergency shelter.

Facing the prospect of even more asylum seekers arriving this year, the Quebec government wants to be reimbursed $146 million by the feds for the costs it incurred last year.

Quebec presses for help  

Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel met with his Ontario and federal counterparts in Ottawa last Wednesday to press his demands.

After the meeting, the federal government said it was willing to consider reimbursing the province and set in motion a number of measures meant to alleviate the burden on Quebec's social services.

Premier Philippe Couillard welcomed the federal government's willingness to cooperate. "We have seen changes in tone and action," he said Sunday. 

Ottawa has committed to implementing two types of triage systems. One will determine whether an asylum seeker has the intention of remaining in Quebec.

Of the current influx of asylum seekers — many of whom are Nigerians with U.S. visas — officials estimate only 40 per cent intend to stay in the province. 

Ottawa has agreed to send these claimants directly to other provinces. "It is the federal [government's] responsibility to take them where they want to be," Couillard said.

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A family, which said it was from Colombia, gets set to cross the border into Canada at Quebec's Roxham Road last week. More than 5,500 migrants have crossed illegally into the province so far this year. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)

The second triage process will determine the skill sets of incoming migrants and try to match them with areas in Quebec facing labour shortages. 

"We hope to find a functional solution in the coming days," federal officials told reporters on Friday. 

"Obviously, it's an effort that is beginning. Will it be fully functional by the end of next week? I couldn't tell you. But certainly the basic elements will be in place." 

Hoping for quick solution

The Quebec government is pushing for a rapid implementation of these measures. It is only operating four shelters in Montreal, offering a total 1,850 spots to house asylum seekers as they wait for their claims to be processed.  

Unlike last year, Heurtel said, the government has no intention of using the Olympic Stadium to provide more space. 

"When we reach capacity at our four centres in Montreal, then we will tell the federal government, 'You will have to redirect the asylum seekers somewhere else,'" Heurtel told Radio-Canada's weekly political affairs program, Les coulisses du pouvoir.

Both the federal and provincial government are facing intense pressure from their political rivals over how they have handled the asylum-seekers file.

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An RCMP officer stands guard at the border leading into Canada from the U.S. The influx of asylum seekers has left authorities and advocates in Quebec scrambling to provide the new arrivals with housing, food and clothing. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)

Opposition parties in Quebec accused Couillard last week of not doing enough to secure more resources from Ottawa.

The Coalition Avenir Québec, which has held a slight lead over the Liberals in recent polls, wants the province to dramatically reduce the number of asylum seekers it accepts. 

Federal Conservatives in Quebec have also been using the issue to drum up support in a province where they hope to make gains in the 2019 election.

Jacques Gourde, a Quebec City-area MP, circulated fundraising emails last week saying "hundreds of illegal immigrants have started to cross our border again and Justin Trudeau is doing nothing to stop them."

The Quebec Bar Association issued a statement last year discouraging the use of the term "illegal immigrant," noting it is a concept that has no legal basis.

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As long as Trudeau is in power, stupidity will take precedence over basic common sense. He proves it time and time again. 

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Anybody notice the airline bag tags on the lugguage...some articles suggest families from other countries are obtaining visitors visas for the US and after landing in the US,make a beeline for the Roxham Rd crossing. The govt has suggested this may violate the US visa requirements.

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35 minutes ago, st27 said:

Anybody notice the airline bag tags on the lugguage...some articles suggest families from other countries are obtaining visitors visas for the US and after landing in the US,make a beeline for the Roxham Rd crossing. The govt has suggested this may violate the US visa requirements.

Not only that but the RCMP are standing on our side of the border and apparently are under orders not to prevent the illegals from crossing, such a favorite crossing place there is a temp. office placed there.   Now of course the Libs are going to help out Quebec by dumping their unwanted illegals into other Provinces.  Why not just escort them back into the US or stop them from crossing in the first place?

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let's see.  The RCMP has no jurisdiction in the US so cannot stop the illegals from crossing.  They are there to arrest the illegals crossing once they cross the border.  After that it is processing.  

What they should do it build a Wall......Wait....What?

 

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They should build a wall??? That would mean the potato would have to a actually take a position on immigration....which ain’t gonna happen. The US Customs and Border Protection must be shaking their heads...along with anybody else that believes in secure borders for their country and safety of its citizens.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-another-summer-another-border-crisis/

I also wonder what morale is like with CBSA and the RCMP, knowing the scam these migrants are getting away with, while trying to maintain the real purpose of their professions.

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has anyone looked to see the stats on how many are allowed to remain?  if they in fact arrived in the US on a tourist visa and then jumped across the border then its pretty simple that they are sent back to the US for processing.  What happens after that is any ones guess.  My feeling is that any one coming from the US fleeing persecution as a refugee should be turned back until that Actually becomes an issue.  How many immigrants had Drumpf actually deported to date?

 

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I think that is the issue Boestar....none of the migrants have been turned back...they are accepted as refugees, go into the queue, and wait for the hearing...which because of the overloaded system may take up to 10 YEARS. As I have stated before, what do these migrants have to lose?

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How can something that is so intrinsic to common decency and respect to your citizens, be totally beyond the scope of Liberal thinking.

 

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What a joke...watching Question Period, Trudeau once again tried to blame the Conservatives for cuts in the immigration budget for the present fiasco...the govt says numbers of Haitian queue are down thanks to their efforts but now it’s the Nigerians that are flooding in! 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-motion-illegal-border-crossings-1.4633076

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im sorry but being a refugee from a first world country like the USA???? Why is this a thing.  Are they actually being persecuted?  They are not fleeing Nigeria they are fleeing the US.  Send 'em back.

 

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6 hours ago, boestar said:

im sorry but being a refugee from a first world country like the USA???? Why is this a thing.  Are they actually being persecuted?  They are not fleeing Nigeria they are fleeing the US.  Send 'em back.

 

Had they actually gone to a border crossing point they would have been turned away. And really, that’s the issue here, it’s a loophole that allows for a refuge claim if you don’t enter by a controlled access point. The Safe Third Country Agreement doesn’t apply to random crossings at random locations…. even if the path is well trod and all the taxi drivers know where the drop off point is.

After the initial trickle, JT announced to the world that Canada will accept all comers etc etc on national and international news networks so it’s a bit hard to close the loophole now. I would argue (and I’m in the minority here I bet) that having said that... having made the boast (on behalf of Canadians) and given desperate people the hope to undertake desperate journeys, that we should honour our pledge and get er done.

IMHO, the boast was made at a time that he didn’t think anything would come of it and it got great press as did the sanctuary city thing, all very liberal. So now, I say we pay up and do what we said (actually promised) to do. I don’t blame Trudeau for this, he is what he is. Canadian voters wear the full responsibility for this and in true liberal style, now want to bolt for the door. So while I disagree with JT’s position here I admire the fact that he has stuck to his guns in the face of what has transpired. Hopefully liberal voters will grab a handful of integrity and climb on board too. Changing this now, in the face of "being taken up on our offer" would be shameful IMO.

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Disagree Wolfhunter.. At what point do you say,as a country, we have a duty to defend our borders and close the loophole in the Safe Third Country agreement. This wasn’t for seen and we are being taken advantage of by people who are scamming the process (Blame the internet), Otherwise, they would be using a legitimate land crossing.

 There is a limit to the numbers of migrants we can accept and I think it is rapidly approaching. It is also making a mockery of the bona fide system, where people who abide by the rules are waiting  years to get here.

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6 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

he didn’t think

or is it he was not told by his handlers what to think.

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8 hours ago, st27 said:

Disagree Wolfhunter.. At what point do you say,as a country, we have a duty to defend our borders and close the loophole in the Safe Third Country agreement. This wasn’t for seen and we are being taken advantage of by people who are scamming the process (Blame the internet), Otherwise, they would be using a legitimate land crossing.

 There is a limit to the numbers of migrants we can accept and I think it is rapidly approaching. It is also making a mockery of the bona fide system, where people who abide by the rules are waiting  years to get here.

There is a process of due process here. Each and every claimant will be subjected to it and sent packing if they fail to meet the standard of acceptance to Canada as a refugee. Regardless of your (or my) feelings toward JT and the Liberal government, we (yes WE, you and I…us) decided not only that we wouldn’t close the loophole, we choose to announce, in grand style on all media outlets, that refugees would be welcomed to Canada…. and make no mistake, this was intended as a slam against DJT’s policy which was new at the time.

As to your point about not being “for seen” I would argue that this was easily for seen. That it couldn’t have ended any other way and it prompts a very simple question, WTF did you think was going to happen? You may notice I pose this question to Liberals fairly often and find myself appalled by their lack of integrity in paying the price for their “values”. Values and integrity come at a cost. In short, as the Wiggles suggest, “If you say the dance can you do the dance.”

BTW, I happen to share your position on this and find myself in the unenviable position of arguing against my own feelings. There is no honourable extraction scenario here IMO, so do the dance and get er done! Shouts of "oh, just kidding... we changed our mind" are at best, shameful.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Wolfhunter said:

Each and every claimant will be subjected to it and sent packing if they fail to meet the standard of acceptance to Canada as a refugee

If that were the case, the situation wouldn’t be so dire. By the time the claims will be heard, the migrants will have probably been on Canadian soil for 5-10 years! They will then appeal to stay on humanitarian grounds or, the home country will refuse to take them back (this has happened already with deportations). 

If the government can’t handle the influx of migrants, how capable do you think they will be of getting rid of them?

It will be another political party that will have to deal with it.

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51 minutes ago, st27 said:

If that were the case, the situation wouldn’t be so dire. By the time the claims will be heard, the migrants will have probably been on Canadian soil for 5-10 years! They will then appeal to stay on humanitarian grounds or, the home country will refuse to take them back (this has happened already with deportations). 

If the government can’t handle the influx of migrants, how capable do you think they will be of getting rid of them?

It will be another political party that will have to deal with it.

That’s a given and applies across the board; a problem in need of a fix. As a given, and as a long standing reality, it again begs the "WTF did you think was going to happen" question.

Any national immigration policy needs to serve the citizens of the country first… this is not a deeply held liberal position unless (and until) situations like this come up with a price tag attached. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear anticipated this influx, and were likely aware of JT’s long standing position on immigration. His invitation to all and sundry to come to Canada was after (that’s important) after the Safe Third Country loophole was widely known and acknowledged.

So far you are bringing forward undeniable facts, I’m not in disagreement with any of them except one. We offered the invitation voluntarily and in a widely published “virtue signalling manner. The offer was made knowing full well what the possible (I say likely) outcome would be. Now, here it is, pay up. No sympathy from me…. say the dance , do the dance. Liberals need to listen to that cute little tune until their ears bleed.  Cheers

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We both appear to be in agreement but.... Since when does a tweet from a twit become official Government of Canada policy???  Excuse my ramblings..just letting off steam. [Got the results of my income tax return and not a happy camper].

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1 hour ago, st27 said:

We both appear to be in agreement but.... Since when does a tweet from a twit become official Government of Canada policy???  Excuse my ramblings..just letting off steam. [Got the results of my income tax return and not a happy camper].

It does in the US...

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1 hour ago, st27 said:

We both appear to be in agreement but.... Since when does a tweet from a twit become official Government of Canada policy???  Excuse my ramblings..just letting off steam. [Got the results of my income tax return and not a happy camper].

Owww… I know what that's like, sorry.

I guess it becomes policy when the twit is the PM and when he represents all of us. Over the course of a 30+ year career in several branches of the military, I can assure you that I often didn’t agree with government policy but soldiered on regardless. This strikes me as the same thing; I know, it’s likely a personality flaw…. I’m working on it. 

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