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Southern Ontario has seen a systematic reduction in speed limits over the last 10 years.  80 zones becoming 60 zones or 70 zones.  The average speed has not changed in any of these areas and the accident rate has also not changed.  We have roadways that, anywhere else, would be 90 zones that are posted 60.  It is all about revenue not safety.

Fortunately most of the cops realize this and do not enforce speeding in some areas unless you are driving exceedingly fast or in a dangerous manner.

The speed limit on the 401 is 100Km/h but you ill not get pulled over doing 120.  That is unless you are driving like an idiot.  Over 120 and you will likely get yanked.

The problem with speed enforcement on the 401 (or any other 400 series highway) is that you WILL cause a traffic jam as everyone hits their brakes when they see the lights.

 

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4 hours ago, boestar said:




Fortunately most of the cops realize this and do not enforce speeding...






Well, there`s your problem. You either pander to the vortex of stupid or you don't. As with all things, it's a choice. Count me in favour of enforcement. Tax stupid, tax self entitled, tax aggressive, and TAX LAW BREAKERS. Use the proceeds of stupid to good effect. Either change the laws or enforce the laws. It's just too easy. No? Next to bullies, my favourite people are those above the law. This interaction is recreational and stands as my sole interest in security gigs. It sure aint for the money.




If you choose to subscribe to the notion of selective enforcement, it can only mean one thing. The status quo is acceptable. When reckless and stupid  people don't loose, the rest of us don't win. Nothing in my experience suggests it can be otherwise... but I'm rooting for ya.


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And let us not forget there is a need to enforce safe driving and in particular when vehicles are not reducing speed to suit traffic conditions.

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January 4, 2018 9:44 am
Updated: January 4, 2018 9:49 am

Multiple crashes on Hwy. 402 force OPP to shut down westbound lanes

980 CFPL
By Staff 980 CFPL

Middlesex OPP have shut down the westbound lanes of Highway 402 at Hickory Road in the Strathroy area after a transport truck slid into the median.

OPP said that several other smaller crashes happened afterwards.It’s unknown if anyone has been injured, but police are asking drivers to avoid the area as emergency crews work on scene.

It’s been a snowy commute Thursday as Environment Canada has issued a snow squall warning for London, Parkhill, Strathroy, Komoka, and Middlesex County.

 

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The issue is that the province/Municipality/City do not act on the side of safety when it comes to speed limits and such.  They act on revenue.

For example an intersection near my house has a red light camera (necessary).  However the Amber light is a full 2 seconds shorter than any other amber light in the area.  This means that they are nailing people that could honestly make it through a regular light.  Safety or revenue?  If most people are like me I make that call even before the light changes to Amber so if it does change I have already commited to go.  in this case it would possibly push me into the red light.  There is Supposed" to be a standard for the lights, at least in Ontario.

The other is dropping a speed limit that has stood for the better part of 40 years from 80 to 60 without posting the familiar "NEW" signs.  Then posting a trap the next day.  Safety? i think not.

Out Speed limits are low for one reason.  Because then people will exceed them and generate revenue.  It has nothing to do with economy at all or Safety.

 

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Here is what BC found to be the case when they raised their speed limits.  In particular I like their new "variable speed zones" where overhead illuminated signs keep you  informed re the current speed limit for the stretch of highway you are on. 

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June 28, 2016 9:19 pm
Updated: June 28, 2016 9:21 pm

Have higher speed limits made B.C. roads more dangerous?

ja-headshot-2.jpg?quality=60&strip=all&wBy Jon AzpiriOnline News Producer  Global News
 
The provincial government has released the first hard data on its experiment with raising speed limits on several BC roads.

Two years ago, the provincial government increased speed limits on 33 stretches of road in B.C. in an effort to make them safer.

A report on the changes released Tuesday by the Transportation Ministry found that crash rates have dropped or are unchanged on 19 of 33 sections of highway where speed limits were increased.

Accidents were up on 14 of the 33 stretches of road where speeds were increased, but speed wasn’t necessarily to blame in all but two cases.

MORE: British Columbia’s 12 deadliest highways

The top three contributing factors in collisions in British Columbia, particularly during this period, is driver inattentiveness; weather or road conditions that can change very quickly; and thirdly, it’s driving too fast for the road conditions,” Transportation Minister Todd Stone said.

However, he said at least three years worth of data are needed to determine whether speed has been a major factor.

Stone believes roads that have seen an increase in accidents could be made safer through engineering and other measures so the higher speed limits could remain.

READ MORE: Who is watching you on B.C. Highways?

But speed limits will be lowered in a couple of areas — on Highway One from Hope to Boston Bar, where 90 km/h will replace the 100 km/h limit, and Highway 5A from Aspen Grove to Princeton, where the 90 km/h speed limit will drop to 80 km/h.

A stretch on the connector from the Penask Summit to Peachland will see new variable speed limits.

Stone says the 120 km/h speed limit on the Coquihalla Highway from Hope to Kamloops will remain because that section has had low collision rates.

 

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Generating revenue takes enforcement. There are several reasons (I think) why Ontario has the worst idiot drivers I've encountered in North America. In addition to their insistence on importing TFW truck drivers who have never seen snow before, it's largely the lack of enforcement. Yes, there needs to be reasonableness in all things to be sure. And for sure, it's in damn short supply most everywhere. The question is, do you fix it or yield to the vortex.

 

 Lowering speed limits because "people speed too much" is insane. Sounds like a Liberal gun control theory to me. I've only been retired for a couple of years now so I'm not quite used to the "nothing can be done" idea. I tend to take a "oh yea? well watch this approach"... If you can't drive the speed limit (plus 10 or less) I'll keep taxing you until you can. Then I'll take your license.

 

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/three-injured-in-head-on-crash-near-orangeville

This kind of stuff is now more frequent, and more mindlessly aggressive then I ever remember. Twice in Ontario (this years motorcycle trip) I left (and I mean left) the travelled portion of the road to avoid head on collisions. The opposing solo was lock wired into “pass or crash” mode. 40 plus years on motorcycles and this was the single worst year ever. And Ontario was this years worst of the worst. Whatever it is you are doing now... may I suggest you stop.

PS - IMO, this is the sort of aggressive that caves pretty easily. When you encounter these folks on the side of the road (post accident) they’re usually pretty messed up… the inevitable results of a remedial lesson in physics.     

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The cops can’t be everywhere...and apparently common sense was absent too:

“a Mercedes headed eastbound on Highway 7 and a BMW attempting to pass another vehicle near Sideline 28. 

One of the vehicles lost control on a snow-covered road, according to a tweet posted by OPP Const. Kerry Schmidt.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/three-people-dead-one-airlifted-to-hospital-after-head-on-collision-in-pickering-1.4473382

 

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1 hour ago, st27 said:

The cops can’t be everywhere...

True enough, but my point is/was that they should be visible somewhere, sometime… a visible presence is important even if they enforce nothing.

 I drove the entire stretch of Trans Canada through Ontario twice and didn’t see one police car or one traffic stop. That’s all the way from the Quebec border to the Manitoba border not once but twice. Put in perspective, that’s about 2000 kms per sortie; 4000 total. Frankly, it was a first for me. In all my previous travels through Canada and the US, I have never driven 4000 kms without seeing a single police car. I submit that Ontario could do with a bit more, no?

There are specific events and there is the general malaise that causes them, or at least contributes. I’m talking about climate here… not weather.

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After a fatal bus crash, more carnage on the 401 in the Brockville - Prescott corridor:

Ontario Provincial Police arrested a 31-year-old man in connection with a tractor-trailer collision that injured a sign truck occupant on Highway 401 Tuesday night.

At 10 p.m., Grenville OPP officers responded to a collision in which a tractor-trailer hit a stationary, occupied construction sign truck in the westbound lanes in Augusta Township.

The man driving the tractor-trailer fled the scene in his vehicle, reportedly leaving his passenger side door behind where the collision occurred, according to police.

OPP officers in Leeds County then located the suspect at the westbound Mallorytown service centre and arrested him.

Kirandeep Singh Dhaliwal, of Stoney Creek, is facing charges of dangerous driving causing bodily harm, failing to stop at a collision and impaired driving, after he was allegedly found to have double the legal limit of alcohol in his system, police reported.

The occupant of the sign truck suffered non-life-threatening injuries, police added.

Dhaliwal has a court appearance set for July 27 in Brockville

 

 

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June 29, 2018 5:37 am

Updated: June 29, 2018 8:02 am

One person killed in five tractor trailer collision on Hwy. 401 near Trenton

meagan-hs.png?w=40&h=40&crop=1&quality=6 By Maegen Kulchar Videographer  Global News
 
 
 
 
 
<img class="story-img" src="https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/tractor-trailer-e1530280839221.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=282&h=188&crop=1" alt="A photo taken at the scene of a five tractor trailer collision, where police say one person died early Friday morning." />; A photo taken at the scene of a five tractor trailer collision, where police say one person died early Friday morning.

A photo taken at the scene of a five tractor trailer collision, where police say one person died early Friday morning.

 

Tragedy has struck once again along Highway 401, this time between Glen Miller Road and Wallbridge Loyalist Road early Friday morning.

The collision occurred just after midnight, involving five tractor trailers according to OPP. According to police, one person died of their injuries at the scene.

READ MORE: Tractor-trailer crash causes massive delays on Hwy. 401 in Cambridge

The technical traffic collision investigation unit has been on scene since 1:30 a.m.

As of 7 a.m. the eastbound lanes remained closed and its unknown when they will be re-opened.

Traffic is being re-directed off at Glen Miller Road.

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Trains would appear to be considerably safer and an environmentally friendly way to ship goods by comparison with trucks.

 

 

 

 

 

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And then there are the ever present inattentive drivers;  The moment of impact looks like an explosion.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dashcam-captures-devastating-crash-on-canada-s-busiest-highway-1.4042081

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Monday, August 6, 2018 8:35AM EDT

Tires and debris flew into the air following a collision on a busy highway in Toronto – and the entire thing was captured on video.

The footage was recorded Saturday night by a dashcam attached to Adil Kanan’s tow truck. Kanan had been called to Highway 401 near Port Union Road to help deal with a disabled pickup truck.

When Kanan arrived at the scene, he found a woman in the driver’s seat of the truck, a man in the front passenger seat, and another man standing outside the vehicle.

 

Photos

 
401 crash dashcam

A dashcam attached to Adil Kanan’s tow truck captured a devastating crash on Highway 401 in Toronto.

“They seemed to be all alert and fine,” he told CTV Toronto.

Kanan then went back to his truck to alert police that he and the pickup truck were blocking one westbound lane of the highway.

“As I was sitting there looking through my back window, that’s when I observed the white Lexus approaching at a high rate of speed,” he said.

The white vehicle then hit the pickup truck, causing significant damage. The man who had been standing outside the truck was thrown into the guardrail. The two people inside the truck were ejected, and the driver ended up face-down on the highway. All three were listed in stable condition as of Sunday night.

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I will say once again,,,

This can be easily addressed with a small change to make forward and rearward facing cams mandatory in all vehicles. (It only took a couple of children being run over to make it mandatory to have back up cameras installed as basic equipment in all cars now.)   It will eliminate the questions of who is at fault, and those drivers should either be hammered with increased insurance costs or have their licences revoked.

Ontario's no fault insurance system has had it's day, and it should definitely (IMHO) go back to 'at fault' with the bulk of the penalties being carried by bad drivers.

 

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1 hour ago, deicer said:

I will say once again,,,

This can be easily addressed with a small change to make forward and rearward facing cams mandatory in all vehicles. (It only took a couple of children being run over to make it mandatory to have back up cameras installed as basic equipment in all cars now.)   It will eliminate the questions of who is at fault, and those drivers should either be hammered with increased insurance costs or have their licences revoked.

Ontario's no fault insurance system has had it's day, and it should definitely (IMHO) go back to 'at fault' with the bulk of the penalties being carried by bad drivers.

 

In my opinion, basic driving skills are being lost due to improved technology that is good until it breaks down and lulls drivers into a false sense of security.

eg. self parking cars, backup cameras, etc. collision,   Pre-Collision System*** warns when an obstacle is detected by radar, then automatically apply brakes to reduce the severity of impact and tighten seatbelts to help protect occupants., Backup Cameras with Guidelines for backing into parking spaces, a Rear Cross Traffic Alert* system that warns of approaching vehicles when backing up, and Intelligent Parking Assist that can park a vehicle virtually unassisted.

 

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Yes Sir, you are correct, we are creating a generation of driving dummies.

The problem with the system is that there is no accountability.  No Fault.  They claim it is a system failure in the car which didn't alert them which got them off the hook.

Take that crutch away and make the driver responsible again!

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On 8/6/2018 at 12:28 PM, Malcolm said:

In my opinion, basic driving skills are being lost due to improved technology that is good until it breaks down and lulls drivers into a false sense of security.

eg. self parking cars, backup cameras, etc. collision,   Pre-Collision System*** warns when an obstacle is detected by radar, then automatically apply brakes to reduce the severity of impact and tighten seatbelts to help protect occupants., Backup Cameras with Guidelines for backing into parking spaces, a Rear Cross Traffic Alert* system that warns of approaching vehicles when backing up, and Intelligent Parking Assist that can park a vehicle virtually unassisted.

 

Kinda like autopilot huh?

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20 minutes ago, mo32a said:

Kinda like autopilot huh?

Much worse as the systems in commercial aircraft are regularly  maintained and those in a private vehicle... not so often.

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On 8/9/2018 at 12:43 PM, Malcolm said:

Much worse as the systems in commercial aircraft are regularly  maintained and those in a private vehicle... not so often.

I think you missed the point.

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23 minutes ago, mo32a said:

I think you missed the point.

Not really, if the system works then the reliance is greater, if the system quits then the skill may have been lost to overcome that failure but at least in the aircraft we know that the mtce is better and therefore the lost of skills may not be as critical (frequency of failure)  due to the lower rate of system failure.  Agree? 

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Besides the recent spike in impaired driving inToronto recently, we still have issues like this:

“A high-flying driver with a restricted licence was stopped for speeding on Highway 401 early Thursday morning.

Leeds County Ontario Provincial Police clocked the eastbound driver at 172 km/h on the highway through the Township of Leeds and the Thousand Islands.

When the 20-year-old driver from North York was stopped, the OPP found she had a G1 licence, which, among other things, prohibits drivers from 400-series highways and from driving between midnight and 5 a.m.

The woman had her car towed and impounded for seven days. She has been charged with stunt driving, driving on a prohibited highway and driving at an unlawful hour.”

 

Time to start naming names....maybe that will have an effect!

Her inexperience also will get her killed for another reason....wildlife. At this time of year, animals are starting to move around and at that speed at night, you won’t be able to avoid them. Maybe more people should see what a car looks like after it hits a deer. Seeing lots of beaver roadkill as well.

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The OPP posts the names of all adult violators on their twitter feed.  Name, location, infraction(s)

 

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Read a story yesterday.  ONE OPP officer in ONE day nabbed 15....yes 15....drivers for "Stunting".  for those outside ontario, stunting is exceeding the speed limit by more that 50 Km/h and is an immediate 7 day suspension and car impoundment fro 7 days without recourse.  The fine is up to $10,000. pending court if you choose to contest it.  

ONE officer in ONE day got 15.  That says 2 things to me.  

1. they are out there and they ARE enfocing

2. we have a LOT of idiots on the road it one guy can catch 15 in a day.

The last one caught was doing 201Km/h in a 100 zone

 

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