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The story (the facts we know).
* Canadian born Khadr was taken to Afghanistan at 15 years old, by his father. We don't know if he wanted to go, and we don't know why they went. There has been zero evidence put forth to suggest the trip had anything to do with terrorism. Regardless, as he was only 15, he had no choice in the matter. 
(EDIT: He was actually taken to Afghanistan at 9 years of age. He was taken to Gitmo at 15)
* Khadr was found in critical condition following a firefight. The mission debrief report filed by the US troops stated that a middle aged man threw a grenade, which killed one US soldier. The grenadier was shot in the head and confirmed killed.
* Khadr was taken to Guantanamo Bay prison. No charges were filed against him at that time.
* Several years later, formal charges were filed. These charges were technically not even charges of war crimes, as if they were true, Khadr would be considered an enemy combatant during a time of war, and thus everything he was accused of doing, was legal under rules of engagement. He was denied access to a lawyer at this point and no trial date was set. He was held in detention and tortured for nearly 10 years.
* Nearly a decade later, an addendum to the original mission debrief was submitted, which identified the grenadier as Khadr by name. The description was updated to match that of a 15 year old Khadr. The original report was not rescinded. No one knows who made the addendum. No US personnel present during the firefight confirms the addendum.
* A week later, Khadr is offered a plea deal. The terms of the deal were to admit guilt to all charges and serve a few more years in a Canadian prison, or refuse to admit guilt and be denied trial indefinitely.
* Khadr takes the plea deal, is transferred to Canada.
* Khadr sues the Canadian government for their involvement in his illegal detention, torture, and lack of a trial.

All of the above is true as far as anyone knows. That is the official story, from both the Canadian and US governments. They have said straight out that Khadr would not be offered a trial unless he took the plea deal. Just let that sink in for a moment.

Now let me ask you a question.
As a Canadian, what do you stand for? Do you believe that you, as a Canadian, have the right to be presumed innocent, until proven guilty, as well as the right to a fair and quick trial? I know this is hard for many of you to consider without jumping to "oh, but he's a terrorist, so **bleep** him, he's a traitor and doesn't deserve anything", but we'll get to that in a minute. Seriously consider this. Do you believe you have, as a Canadian, the inalienable right to everything laid out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

If you do, but still think Khadr does not, because he is a terrorist, let me ask you; "How do you know he is guilty?" There was no trial for 10 years, and he was only offered a trial on the condition that he plead guilty. How do we, as Canadians, determine guilt? Have you read and understood the Chart of Rights and Freedoms? It's entire purpose is precisely to ensure that what happened to Khadr, is not allowed to happen. Period.

Now I know many of you still can't get past the "but he's a traitor so he doesn't deserve a trial" even though neither you, nor me, nor the US or Canadian government were able to provide ANY evidence whatsoever, of his guilt (no evidence was submitted during his trial, presumably because none exists), but that doesn't matter. Let me explain the problem to you.

You are worried that terrorists are trying to take away your freedoms as a Canadian right? They're trying to force Sharia law upon us and we as Canadians, won't stand for that right?

Do you see where I'm going here? Presuming Khadr's guilt, with no evidence and without trial, is precisely what the terrorists want to do to Canada. Isn't that your concern? Does it not strike you then, that by saying that Khadr doesn't deserve a fair trial because he is a terrorist, with absolutely no evidence, nor a trial to prove the charges, that you are doing precisely what you are worried the terrorists are trying to do do us? A presumption of guilt, no trial, a decade of detention and torture. Is that not Sharia law?

At this point, I don't think any of us should even be concerned about Khadrs innocence or guilt. He is inconsequential at this point. The REAL concern for all Canadians, is that our government denied a Canadian citizen his inalienable rights, guaranteed to him under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They did EXACTLY what you are worried the terrorists are trying to do. If Khadr was guilty, a trial probably would have proven such, so why was he denied a trial?

For your information, the Canadian government did not simply offer up an apology and $10m for no reason. They were sued. The Canadian Supreme Court found in favour of Khadr, in that the Canadian government was in breach of Canadian and International law. That money will mostly be covering his legal fees. But here's where you should be more concerned about the money. The Canadian government spent $120m of your money, defending itself for committing what is legally, war crimes. Seriously. Your government, was just successfully sued, for war crimes. Crimes they committed not only against Khadr, but against the entire Canadian public. They assured us that we would all be given a fair trial, but now we know that is not true. They assured us that we will always be presumed innocent until proven guilty. We know that is not true. They took your money, money which could have been spent on building half a hospital or something, and spent it instead, on committing war crimes, and crimes directly against the Charter on which our country was founded.

In summation:
If you believe Khadr did not deserve a fair and quick trial, you are not Canadian. You do not stand for what Canada stands for. You are saying very clearly, that you don't care about evidence, treating people (who we presume are innocent until proven guilty) with basic decency, or your own or anyone else's right to a fair trial. You are, quite literally, openly supporting about half of Sharia law. 

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Do you remember the activities and behaviour of Khadr's mother and sister during the relevant period? I'm still trying to understand why Khadr senior & family emigrated to Canada in the first place? They certainly had nothing to offer that Canada needed and no apparent intention to become productive citizens in the new land either.

Let's not forget that the little Khadr was filmed building bombs, devices with a singular purpose, one that he understood very well, which makes the little crap-head a terrorist no matter how many excuses are offered up.

 

 

 

 

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If he has Charter Rights then surely our Veterans have more......

‎Today, ‎July ‎11, ‎2017, ‏‎13 minutes ago
 

Afghan vets lawyer says his clients have Charter rights too following Khadr payout

 
‎Today, ‎July ‎11, ‎2017, ‏‎13 minutes ago | Lucas Meyer

A lawyer representing six Afghan war veterans involved in an ongoing lawsuit with the federal government says his clients have Charter rights too following the Omar Khadr payout.

Don Sorochan has been representing the veterans for five years and said while he acknowledges the mistreatment of Khadr’s rights, his clients deserve the same respect.

“Our claim says our clients are being deprived of their security for their life just by virtue of the way the government is treating them,” Sorochan said. “We’ve raised Charter rights and arguments as well.”

The class-action lawsuit was first filed in 2012 in British Columbia during the previous Conservative government, with the six Afghan war vets arguing new rules in 2006 discriminated against them by offering lump sum payments for their injuries, instead of the pensions that veterans of previous wars got.

It made major headlines two years later when the government said it does not have a ‘social covenant’ to provide pensions, sparking widespread criticism from the opposition, veterans and the public.

Despite some progress under Erin O’Toole, who replaced Julian Fantino as Veterans Affairs Minister and the case eventually being put in abeyance, the Liberals won the election promising to end such cases and that there was a social obligation.

Things seemed to improve during a meeting in 2016 between both sides, but the case is still unresolved.

“I understand from the point of view of what was done wrong to Mr. Khadr, but in no way does it even compare to what has been done wrong to our guys,” Sorochan said, adding he’s been involved in trying to stop the recruitment of child soldiers as an international lawyer.

On Monday in Calgary, Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr reiterated the Charter rights breach position when discussing how the veterans are still waiting for their own resolution.

“In terms of working with our veterans, I’m proud of the work that our government has done since taking office,” Hehr said. “The former government, you know what they did for veterans? They closed nine offices, they cut one-third of my staff, they never moved forward on rectifying the situations that were present since the New Veterans Charter came about in 2006.”

Hehr pointed to increasing the Disability Award and earning loss benefits, as well as investments in mental health.

But he was also asked what he would say to the veterans specifically.

“We’re committed to financial security for our veterans,” he said. “We are committed to a pension for life option, we’ve stated that clearly and on the record in this year’s budget and we are working towards that, we’ll make announcements toward the end of the year.”

But Sorochan said he’s heard that messaging before.

“All I know is that the prime minister got up in the election and said they would return the pension, not a trumped up pension, the pension and that they had costed it and it could be done relatively quickly,” he said. “It’s costly though, I acknowledge that and they should’ve thought about that when they made the promise.”

One of the lead plaintiffs is an injured soldier who was trained to dismantle the very types of claymore mines that Khadr was forced to build in his youth.

“We’ve already seen what they consider to be the value of how a mistreatment of Mr. Khadr was,” he said. “That would go a long way towards solving a lot of problems for a lot of our veterans.”

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1 hour ago, Malcolm said:

the very types of claymore mines that Khadr was forced to build

I detect bias in the journalists writing

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Judge rejects request to freeze Omar Khadr's assets

Request came from widow of American soldier killed in Afghanistan

Thu Jul 13, 2017 - CBC News    

A judge in Toronto has dismissed a request to freeze Omar Khadr's assets.

The request for an injunction came from the widow of an American soldier killed in Afghanistan.

The widow, Tabitha Speer, will be asking a Canadian court to enforce a $134-million US wrongful-death judgment against Khadr handed down in Utah.

The judge hearing today's case had said the request to freeze Khadr's assets pending a trial was "extraordinary."

Speer's husband, U.S. Sgt. Chris Speer, was killed in Afghanistan in July 2002. Khadr admitted to throwing the killer grenade, but later recanted, saying it was only so he could get away from American custody in Guantanamo Bay.

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The righteous old judge was likely scared out his colourful little robe by the terrorist and his liberal friends; it ruled accordingly. So much for the notion of civic decency.

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The Liberals have argued that the government was required to compensate Mr. Khadr because the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that his Charter rights were violated. This is incorrect. The Court did not demand any payment to Mr. Khadr. Any compensation he was owed was made when Canada repatriated him and allowed him to walk free once again."

 

The Liberals also claim they were fiscally prudent by settling with Mr. Khadr because $5 million had been spent on legal fees. No. The lawyers in the Department of Justice are salaried civil servants. They are getting paid whether they fight Mr. Khadr or not. Estimating and presenting their costs like this is pure politics."

 

The Liberals hope that all of this information confuses Canadians. But while the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a cornerstone of our modern democracy, it is limited to Canada’s borders or the direct actions of the Canadian government. The Khadr family did not take their Charter rights with them when they were fighting in Afghanistan. The detention of Omar Khadr in Guantanamo Bay as an enemy combatant, while controversial, was not a violation of his Charter rights."

 

 

http://erinotoolemp.com/2017/07/12/setting-the-record-straight-on-khadr/

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This is why many Canadian veterans are troubled over the Khadr settlement

For veterans fighting for their compensation, it's hard to watch the government hand over millions

By Sean Bruyea, for CBC NewsPosted: Jul 15, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Jul 15, 2017 5:00 AM ET

Veterans' reactions are being unfairly dismissed as little more than conservative barking.

Veterans' reactions are being unfairly dismissed as little more than conservative barking. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)

 

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Sean Bruyea

Sean Bruyea, vice-president of Canadians for Accountability, has a graduate degree in public ethics, is a retired Air Force intelligence officer and frequent commentator on government, military and veterans’ issues.

When pressed about the issue on the Senate floor Thursday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he understood Canadians' "concerns" about the $10.5 million payout to Omar Khadr. "In fact," he added, "I share those concerns about the money; that's why we settled." But to the thousands of men and women who have served in Canada's military, their concerns go far beyond the simple dollar amount.

Many veterans and their families are not happy about the Khadr settlement — that much is obvious. But in the climate of vicious and partisan name-calling that seems to accompany all things Khadr, veterans' reactions are being unfairly dismissed as little more than conservative barking. (In fact, while the military and its veterans traditionally have been the natural constituents of the right, that largely changed during the last federal election.)

Fighting for benefits

At the core of the issue is benefits — specifically, the grueling adventure race veterans have to endure to plead for their parsimonious assistance. Certainly Khadr had to fight for years for justice. Veterans, likewise, often have to fight years — and often decades — to receive their benefits.

Khadr sued the Canadian government for mistreatment and violations of his rights. Veterans are barred from suing government for mistreatment when seeking benefits. What's more, veterans are limited to using the military's rotten veterans tribunal system, one that provides "free" lawyers employed by the very department from which veterans are trying to seek benefits.

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Khadr sued the Canadian government for mistreatment and violations of his rights. Veterans are barred from suing government for mistreatment when seeking benefits. (Colin Perkel/Canadian Press)

Legal settlements in Canada do not fall under taxable income, therefore Khadr will pay no tax on his $10.5 million. But ever since Ottawa replaced lifetime pensions for wounded veterans with one-time lump sums, 95 per cent of the benefits received by severely injured veterans and their survivors is now taxable. The court case to return to lifelong pensions continues for its fifth year, even though Trudeau promised to end court cases against veterans and return to lifelong pensions.

To prove permanent disability, Canadian veterans must make humiliating annual declarations that they are still missing their legs, or that their minds and spirits continue to be devoured by the lingering trauma of war. Should the most injured attempt some part-time employment for a more meaningful life, the government deducts every dollar earned. Indeed, the government already deducts pension, CPP disability, OAS and GIS from veterans' benefits. Khadr, on the other hand, gets to keep every cent of his settlement.

What's more: the $10.5 million was made rather surreptitiously — the government hasn't actually even confirmed that amount, nor has it explained how the precise dollar figure was determined.

Because we don't know the details of the Khadr settlement, the reasons for the discrepancies are speculative. But for those who have devoted their lives to defending Canada and now fight to receive their deserved compensation, watching the Canadian government simply hand over $10.5 million to someone who allegedly fought against our ally is unsettling, to say the least.

Indeed, for all the government's rhetoric about sending signals about fairness and justice, out-of-court settlements have minimal effect upon future court decisions. And as for Trudeau's claim that "when governments fail to respect people's rights, we all end up paying," there is no indication that the bureaucrats who actually breached Khadr's rights according to the Supreme Court ended up paying anything. Instead, you and I are paying the price.

 
 

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Among Trudeau's justifications for paying Khadr was the idea that it would have cost the government more to fight than to pay. But justice, fairness, openness and transparency about a government's actions should not be dependent on how much it costs to avoid paying a debt. Veterans are owed billions in lifetime pensions. Should we wait until Ottawa racks up a billion-dollar legal bill before settlement is possible?

When they see such comprehensive government action to try to right the wrongs done to Khadr, veterans and their fellow Canadians simply can't understand the gross discrepancy. Why are those willing to make the supreme sacrifice for our country so persistently left behind?

This column is part of CBC's Opinion section. For more information about this section, please read this editor's blog and our FAQ.

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Canadians angry over Omar Khadr deal donate money to family of slain U.S. soldier

 
‎Yesterday, ‎July ‎14, ‎2017, ‏‎2:30:12 PM | The Canadian Press
TORONTO — Canadians across the country have been reaching into their wallets to donate money to the family of an American soldier whom Omar Khadr is accused of killing in Afghanistan 15 years ago.

The online fundraising effort — part political protest, part generosity — comes amid a furor over the $10.5 million sources said the federal government paid Khadr for breaching his rights while he was an American prisoner at Guantanamo Bay.

Jerome Dondo, of St. Claude, Man., who said he donated $10 to the campaign, decried the federal payout while the widow and children of U.S. special forces soldier Sgt. Chris Speer were fighting in Canadian court for that money.

“The Canadian government should have at least waited until a court decision was made before sending the payment,” said Dondo, a married accountant with nine children. “This was my way of showing the Speer family support for their loss.

Over the past week, more than 2,200 donors in both Canada and the United States have contributed $134,000 to Tabitha Speer and her two children Taryn and Tanner, now in their mid and late teens.

The family, and blinded former U.S. soldier Sgt. Layne Morris, failed this week to freeze Khadr’s assets while they try to enforce a US$134-million wrongful-death award against him from a Utah court.

Heike Pfuetzner, a retiree in Abbotsford, B.C., called it a “personal thing” to donate $15.

“I am disgusted with the government giving so much money to a convicted criminal,” Pfuetzner said. “I’m just really upset.”

Ottawa-based talk-radio host Brian Lilley, co-founder of right-wing Rebel Media, who started the fundraising campaign, said he shared the anger of many Canadians over the settlement and wanted to channel the outrage into something positive.

“It’s trying to show generosity out of a political situation,” Lilley said.

While most people tell him they’re are glad he started the fundraiser, he said, a small number have accused him of “grandstanding.”

Speer has not responded to requests to talk about the situation but in the past expressed appreciation for a similar fundraiser in 2012, when Khadr was returned from Guantanamo Bay to Canada to serve out his sentence. That campaign raised about $100,000 — with about half coming from the Edmonton-based South Alberta Light Horse Regiment.

The current campaign aims to raise $1 million over a month. Donors who give at least $2,500 will have their names engraved on a “solidarity” plaque that will be sent to Speer but most donated amounts range from $10 to $100. Lilley could not say how many donors were from the United States.

Georges Hallak, 47, a businessman in Montreal put up $25.

“It’s very simple: I find it unfair that (Prime Minister Justin) Trudeau is allowed to give money to a convicted terrorist…and (the widow of the) person that he killed — or supposedly what he was tried for — she’s getting nothing,” Hallak said.

Khadr, now 30, is on bail in Edmonton while he appeals his 2010 conviction for five war crimes before a widely discredited military commission in Guantanamo Bay.

He argues that the acts he is accused of committing as a 15-year-old in Afghanistan were not war crimes at the time. He says he only pleaded guilty to throwing the grenade that killed Speer as a way out of American captivity.

— with files from Brennan Doherty in Toronto

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Rex Murphy nails it !!

 

" Honour doesn’t hide or speak from behind a curtain. If our “just society” is proud of doing the right thing when “it’s difficult,” why hasn’t the Prime Minister, on so central a subject, dedicated one specific appearance to explaining it? "

 

 

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-trudeau-must-explain-how-khadr-payout-was-ever-the-honourable-option/wcm/4b10bfa6-0e42-407e-9fa8-edff40b9e073

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Jaydee you must remember he has a very busy schedule, so today in Calgary he was stampeding, having his picture taken justin-trudeau-with-baby.jpg.b26a8c145a1d8ffcc39961101564c2bd.jpg

 

and oh yes releasing a very important announcement regarding his current choice in music

Justin Trudeau issues his summer ‘PM Mix playlist’ on Spotify

 http://globalnews.ca/news/3601103/justin-trudeau-pm-mix-playlist-spotify/ .

 So as you can see, no time for anything else. 

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6 hours ago, Malcolm said:

Jaydee you must remember he has a very busy schedule, so today in Calgary he was stampeding, having his picture taken justin-trudeau-with-baby.jpg.b26a8c145a1d8ffcc39961101564c2bd.jpg

 

and oh yes releasing a very important announcement regarding his current choice in music

Justin Trudeau issues his summer ‘PM Mix playlist’ on Spotify

 http://globalnews.ca/news/3601103/justin-trudeau-pm-mix-playlist-spotify/ .

 So as you can see, no time for anything else. 

I agree with the dude on the left...looks like he's sized things up correctly.

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Why does the media even cover this goof-off? Do they really need to rub the working class with constant reminders of their being forced to labour to pay for the turd's never ending party tour?

At one time a certain well known you-know-who on this forum would aggressively rise to the defence of both the provincial & federal liberal gangs against all comers. The very obvious absence of these defences imparts an intriguing message; apparently even he recognizes how totally incompetent, corrupt and dangerous his favorite Party groups have become.

 

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:thumbup:  Lovvvveeee that the world is waking up to what's really behind the socks and hair do.

 

" Trudeau’s egregious behavior is a slap in the face to Canadian and U.S. forces who have fought, bled, and died side-by-side on the field of battle in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Trudeau not only spits in the faces of his own soldiers, but he undermines the international coalition supporting brave Afghan and Iraqi forces, warriors who are battling day-and-night to wrestle their countries back from the hands of sadistic religious fanatics spilling the blood of innocents to turn the Middle East into a medieval-aged dystopian caliphate.

Shame on you, Justin Trudeau.  Canada, the civilized world, and all men and women of conscience deserve better. "

 

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18685/canadas-justin-trudeau-issues-formal-apology-joshua-yasmeh

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Must watch...

What kind of sick and twisted ivory tower do you have to live in, as the Prime Minister of Canada, to decide to award this man $10.5 million, of good, hard working Canadian folks’ dollars,” Sgt. Layne Morris asked Tucker Carlson on Fox News last night."

 

 

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Canadians should be concerned enough that steps are taken, whatever they may be, to force their senseless leader back to the ski hills where he belongs before he can finish the Country off.

Not much of an excuse, but it may be that Trudeau has consumed so much pot that he's cooked his brain?

 

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From a Canadian Veteran...

" It makes me laugh and disgusted at the same time to think that all of these folks that claim we have to be careful not to violate these terrorist's human rights give no thought to the human rights of all of those brutally murdered in the name of a cult of death.  

Oh well a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.  Just ask any Liberal or progressive and they will tell you because its 2017.  Cannon fodder and fools hoping that the alligator will eat them last." 

 

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ottawa-may-have-no-choice-but-to-repatriate-prosecute-captured-canadian-isil-members-experts/wcm/aa33db7f-0d23-4e0c-b685-f7397ea9606b

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