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34 minutes ago, GDR said:

Interesting to contrast the courage of the Victoria cops to the cowardice of that group in Texas.

The interesting part to me is how the media insists on calling the dead criminals "Suspects".   

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1 hour ago, GDR said:

cowardice of that group in Texas.

I haven't been following this issue closely but I thought they were held back by the chief, who wrongly assumed a barricaded hostage scenario as opposed to active shooter. There's a difference of course.

Invented by the military but a constant in all CQB operations... the mantra of surprise, violence of action, and overwhelming force isn't lost on police tactical teams... they sing that in the shower. 

If I had to bet (and again I don't know), my money would be on the side of them chomping at the bit and resenting every single passing minute that they were held back. Most of them would have taken this pretty hard. For elite teams, whether military or civilian, this scenario is what PTSD looks like. 

I bet that hour was the very definition of agony for them. In their place, I would have a hard time letting go of the "what if" demon, I'd be haunted by it. I remain profoundly grateful that I never had wrestle with one.

I can't say that I know how they feel, but I can imagine how I would in their place... It would likely be a career ending event for me.

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New York City woman pushing baby in stroller on Upper East Side shot dead

Mayor Eric Adams is going to the scene of the shooting where the woman pushing a stroller was shot dead

 

This (and only this) coming to affluent areas is what will capture the attention of the defund crowd. Most likely they'll blame the gun though.

I bet the mayor didn't attend crime scenes like this in black areas where it's rampant. Start now, work hard, do things right, and you will only have to put up with this for 5-7 more years.

Liberals are right about one thing, decisions have consequences. OK, maybe two things, doxing was a great idea... I fully support it now and my bad bunny list thrives on it.

Speaking of doxxing, this wasn't an accident:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gun-rights-group-california-ags-reported-leak-firearm-owners-data-he-should-resign

When the tide turns and these techniques are turned against liberal democrats, they will expect people (dare I say like me) to advocate for fair play, equal treatment and common sense. They may be disappointed.

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On 6/29/2022 at 11:22 AM, Wolfhunter said:

I haven't been following this issue closely but I thought they were held back by the chief, who wrongly assumed a barricaded hostage scenario as opposed to active shooter. There's a difference of course.

Invented by the military but a constant in all CQB operations... the mantra of surprise, violence of action, and overwhelming force isn't lost on police tactical teams... they sing that in the shower. 

If I had to bet (and again I don't know), my money would be on the side of them chomping at the bit and resenting every single passing minute that they were held back. Most of them would have taken this pretty hard. For elite teams, whether military or civilian, this scenario is what PTSD looks like. 

I bet that hour was the very definition of agony for them. In their place, I would have a hard time letting go of the "what if" demon, I'd be haunted by it. I remain profoundly grateful that I never had wrestle with one.

I can't say that I know how they feel, but I can imagine how I would in their place... It would likely be a career ending event for me.

The gunman had been outside the school shooting for 5 mins and then got into the school and started his killing spree. Meanwhile the cops stood around outside doing nothing for a reported 78 mins and it took border patrol agents to do something about it while the cops with full body gear and shields were spectators, safe and sound on the outside. Just maybe the loss of a career wouldn't be much of a price to save one kid's life.

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10 hours ago, GDR said:

Meanwhile the cops stood around outside doing nothing while a border patrolman for a reported 78 mins and it took border patrol agents to do something about it while the cops with full body gear and shields were spectators safe and sound on the outside.

I don't have the time to research it all... so I'll say upfront that I don't know the answers or the reasons for the delay.

But that said, my understanding was that the chief, acting as Scene of Action Commander, instructed all players to remain outside the school.

I think the Border Patrol Tactical Team was the quickest tactical asset available and that's why they were deployed. In any case, just like the Cops, they would (I think) have been subordinate to the SAC.  

My first guess about the delay is that it was procedural (and that covers a lot of ground BTW) in nature, my last guess at a cause factor (and it would be a distant last) would be that it was due to cowardice. It might effect one person, or maybe two, but suggesting that an entire tactical team and all responding assets suffered from the same malady at the same time for exactly 78 minutes wouldn't have occurred to to me... it seems unlikely and in the absence of proof to the contrary, I don't believe it's the case.

What ever the reason was though, it was clearly a horrid and inexcusable mistake and it cost innocent lives. It will likely be studied for years to come as an example of what not to do and it's likely that SOPs will be modified as a result. Particularly in regard to the tasking authority of non organic tactical assets by SACs not physically in attendance at the scene. 

If you have a concise summary of the event that supports cowardice as causal I would certainly read it. Like I said though, I simply don't have time to fact check it and join all of the dots through open source reporting.

That doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong, just that I would be surprised and deeply disappointed if you aren't... 

 

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21 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

I don't have the time to research it all... so I'll say upfront that I don't know the answers or the reasons for the delay.

But that said, my understanding was that the chief, acting as Scene of Action Commander, instructed all players to remain outside the school.

I think the Border Patrol Tactical Team was the quickest tactical asset available and that's why they were deployed. In any case, just like the Cops, they would (I think) have been subordinate to the SAC.  

My first guess about the delay is that it was procedural (and that covers a lot of ground BTW) in nature, my last guess at a cause factor (and it would be a distant last) would be that it was due to cowardice. It might effect one person, or maybe two, but suggesting that an entire tactical team and all responding assets suffered from the same malady at the same time for exactly 78 minutes wouldn't have occurred to to me... it seems unlikely and in the absence of proof to the contrary, I don't believe it's the case.

What ever the reason was though, it was clearly a horrid and inexcusable mistake and it cost innocent lives. It will likely be studied for years to come as an example of what not to do and it's likely that SOPs will be modified as a result. Particularly in regard to the tasking authority of non organic tactical assets by SACs not physically in attendance at the scene. 

If you have a concise summary of the event that supports cowardice as causal I would certainly read it. Like I said though, I simply don't have time to fact check it and join all of the dots through open source reporting.

That doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong, just that I would be surprised and deeply disappointed if you aren't... 

 

Well, I think now that the truth is somewhere in the middle but the whole response was obviously chaotic and mishandled but I don't see why a couple of cops there didn't just take the bull by the horns and do what should have been done.

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OMG I sure hope Justin does not zero into this.  I need my knife to carve my roast.

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Daphne Bramham: Knife violence is increasing in B.C. It's time to do something about it

Opinion: Two homicides in two weeks as random stabbing attacks rise across Canada. It's knives that may be the greater risk in Canada than guns

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Can’t wait for the junior set to graduate to firearms:

 
STABBING: - Erin Mills Py/Eglinton Ave W #Mississauga - 2 youth victims stabbed and taken to a trauma centre - Suspect: Ml South Asian 15-17 years blk tshirt nke gry - Sweats - C/R at 1:58 p.m. - PR22-0226684 Updates to follow
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Another case of a killer being stopped by a bystander. We can only guess what the count would have been if he bystander had not shot the killer.

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3 dead in Indiana mall shooting; witness kills gunman: policeEmergency personnel gather after a deadly shooting, July 17, 2022, at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Ind

An armed civilian killed the man, Ison said at a news conference. In total, four people were killed and two were injured, he said.

Greenwood is a south suburb of Indianapolis with a population of about 60,000. Mayor Mark Myers asked for “prayers to the victims and our first responders.”

“This tragedy hits at the core of our community,” Myers said in a statement.

Authorities said they would provide more details Sunday night.

4 killed, 2 injured after shooting at Indiana mall (msn.com)

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Armed female bystander kills man firing at party in West Virginia

Armed female bystander kills man firing at party in West Virginia - BBC News

How Often Do Police Stop Active Shooters? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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Jun 19, 2018  The report, which draws on official data, survey data and other measures for 230 countries, finds that global firearm ownership is heavily ...
 
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I hope the Federal judge is satisfied he made the “right” decision….a criminal record like this individuals and he’s worried about the deportees safety?
 

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The man charged in connection with Ottawa’s latest homicide was to be deported to South Sudan in December because he was a danger to the public, but a judge ruled that doing so would have put him at risk of death or inhumane treatment.

Ottawa police homicide detectives charged Yohanna David Chol on the weekend with second-degree murder in connection with the shooting death of Vuyo Kashe, 36. Kashe was shot to death late Friday on Clarence Street, a residential street off King Edward Avenue.

 

Chol, 36, was born in Sudan in 1986 and came to Canada in 2003 as a refugee, according to federal court records. But his time in Canada was marked by violence and criminality. Records at the Ottawa courthouse show that he was convicted of an array of offences, including assault, drug trafficking and obstructing a peace officer.

The criminal convictions lost Chol his status as a permanent resident, rendered him inadmissible to Canada and led the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration to find that he was a danger to the Canadian public. The ministry ordered his removal to South Sudan.

 

But Chol fought the decision. He argued in 2017 that his removal should be reconsidered because mental health care was inaccessible in South Sudan and he would be at risk of irreparable harm if he was forced to return. For years, the case languished and Chol’s mental health condition deteriorated. He was in and out of detention and attempted suicide twice.

His request to reconsider the decision was denied, so he took his case to federal court, where, just two days before his scheduled removal, Justice Sébastien Grammond granted him a stay — he was allowed to remain in Canada and have his case analyzed.

 

Grammond was swayed by the arguments put forward by Chol’s lawyer, Ayesha Kumararatne. The removal officer who had looked at Chol’s case failed to consider new evidence concerning his mental health, Grammond wrote in a decision dated Dec. 11.

 

Among the evidence were two reports from the International Medical Corps and Amnesty International that detailed the abysmal state of mental health care in South Sudan. They stated that there were recently only three psychiatrists serving the entire country of more than 10 million people and that individuals with mental health conditions often ended up arbitrarily detained there.

“In light of the evidence reviewed above,” Grammond wrote, “I have no difficulty finding that Mr. Chol’s removal to South Sudan would expose him to irreparable harm.”

 

Grammond acknowledged that there was a “public interest in the timely removal of foreign nationals who have lost their right to remain in Canada.” But he added “that interest must be balanced by the need to ensure that foreign nationals not be removed to countries where they are at risk of inhumane treatment or death.

 

“The public interest is not served by short-circuiting the safeguards aimed at ensuring everyone’s right to life, liberty and security of the person,” Grammond wrote. “The removal officer unreasonably failed to take into consideration evidence of a risk of death or inhumane treatment.”

 

Chol’s motion for a stay of removal was granted and he was not removed to South Sudan.

What a great country…can’t imagine how victims family must feel.

Diversity is our strength.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/man-charged-in-homicide-had-been-found-to-be-danger-to-public-but-judge-stayed-deportation

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Grammond acknowledged that there was a “public interest in the timely removal of foreign nationals who have lost their right to remain in Canada.” Due to repeated violent offences (my words).

But he added “that interest must be balanced by the need to ensure that foreign nationals not be removed to countries where they are at risk of inhumane treatment or death.

So they can stay in Canada and continue perpetrating violence against Canadians but can't be deported because they might be subject to the same violence against themselves - yeah, makes perfect sense.  I think Canada should move to a system of elected judges.

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2 hours ago, Seeker said:

Grammond acknowledged that there was a “public interest in the timely removal of foreign nationals who have lost their right to remain in Canada.” Due to repeated violent offences (my words).

But he added “that interest must be balanced by the need to ensure that foreign nationals not be removed to countries where they are at risk of inhumane treatment or death.

So they can stay in Canada and continue perpetrating violence against Canadians but can't be deported because they might be subject to the same violence against themselves - yeah, makes perfect sense.  I think Canada should move to a system of elected judges.

It does seem to be stupid on our part but of course you have to take into account our present leader and the "Woke" folk who surround him. 

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Police confirm multiple victims in British Columbia shootings

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Police have confirmed multiple victims in an early morning shooting spree in the Canadian province of British Columbia.

Emergency alerts issued shortly after 06:00 local time (13:00 GMT) warned of "multiple shooting scenes" in downtown Langley, a city about 25 miles east of Vancouver.

A lone suspect has been taken into custody.

Police did not identify a motive in what remains an active investigation.

A Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) spokesperson said there had been "several victims" in Monday's attack, but did not immediately say how many.

The victims were homeless and police believe the attack was targeted.

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In fighting gun crime, Canada has an American problem

 
Thousands rallied in cities across the U.S., amid a spate of mass shootings, demanding Congress act on gun violence.01:55

Gun control rallies draw thousands across U.S.

One person was reportedly detained after a false alarm about a weapons threat at Washington’s March for Our Lives rally June 11.03:52

Panic after weapon scare at Washington gun protest

  • Steve Scherer and Anna Mehler Paperny
Updated July 27, 2022 12:07 p.m. MDT
Published July 27, 2022 9:56 a.m. MDT
OTTAWA/TORONTO - 

A Texas man bought dozens of guns from licensed dealers in the state before illegally reselling at least 16, U.S. officials say. Twelve were traced to crimes committed in America. The other four were traced to crimes in Canada.

The case of the 31-year-old, indicted last month on charges that could see him jailed for years, illustrates the leading role the Lone Star State now plays in the smuggling of guns used for violence in Canada, and how firearms tracing can help combat that trade.

Canadian police chiefs say such cases also show the limits of their government's domestically focused policies to fight gun violence, such as a freeze on handgun purchases, when it has the world's largest civilian gun market on its doorstep.

"We really think that restricting lawful handgun ownership doesn't meaningfully address the real issue, which is illegal handguns obtained from the United States," said Evan Bray, police chief in Regina, capital of Saskatchewan province.

Canada's gun homicide rate in 2020 was an eighth of the rate in the United States, where rules on buying firearms are looser, but it's higher than the rates of many other rich countries and has been rising, according to data from Statistics Canada.

Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.

Furthermore, 70% of all traced guns used in crimes in Ontario came from the United States, while so far this year the U.S. share has risen to 73%, according to the data from the Ontario police's Firearms Analysis and Tracing Enforcement (FATE) program.

Ontario is the only province with a special tracing program that seeks to identify the source of all guns used in crimes, said Scott Ferguson, head of FATE. The rest of Canada traced only 6%-10% of guns involved in crimes, according to 2019 data from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), a federal agency.

On Monday, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police called on the federal government to make the tracing of crime guns mandatory across Canada.

"I'm confident that we'll be making steps in that direction," said Bray, who co-chairs the association's special committee on firearms.

Alexander Cohen, director of communications for Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, said the government is aware of the importance of tracing guns. "We know that more must be traced, which is why budget 2021 invested C$15 million ($11.7 million) to improve the RCMP's gun-tracing capacity," he added.

Yet the method has its own limitations: The Ontario data shows police were unable to trace almost half the firearms they tried to track last year, for reasons including obliterated serial numbers and the lack of a national registry for long guns.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government introduced new legislation in May to fight gun violence, including the freeze on handgun purchases and a ban on sales of large-capacity magazines. But mandatory tracing is not part of it.

The announcement came in the wake of mass shootings south of the border - in Uvalde, Texas and Buffalo, New York. The toll of gun violence was felt closer to home this week when an attacker shot four people in British Columbia, killing two. Read full story

Mendicino told Reuters the government had Canada's specific circumstances in mind with the May measures, citing "alarming statistics around increases in handgun violence," specifically the rising firearm homicide rate.

"We came to the judgment that a national handgun freeze would be the fastest and most effective way to reverse that trend," Mendicino said.

TEXAS CONNECTION 'SHOCKING'

The Canadian firearms homicide rate has been rising: 2020 and 2017 are tied for the highest since at least 1997, according to Statistics Canada. In 2020, gun murders accounted for close to 40% of the country's 743 homicides, while more than 60% of gun-related violent crime in urban areas involved handguns.

Canada's 2020 firearm homicide rate was 5.6 times that of Australia, according to each country's government statistics. The Canadian rate was also five times that of Germany in 2010, and 2.5 times the rate of the Netherlands, according to a 2016 comparative study published in the American Journal of Medicine.

Ferguson's team at FATE takes serial numbers and runs them through databases in Canada and, if nothing comes up, in the United States.

Texas has become the top U.S. source of crime-involved guns traced in Ontario, with 150 firearms counted last year - five times the 30 identified in 2018, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), citing FATE numbers. Florida, Georgia, Ohio and Oklahoma round out the top five.

The southern U.S. state has some of the most lenient gun-purchasing laws in America, according to the ATF's Texas office in Dallas.

Tracing by Canadian authorities provides key intelligence to the ATF, which can then investigate and prosecute buyers of firearms that are subsequently sold illegally or smuggled, said Chris Taylor, ATF attache at the U.S. embassy in Ottawa.

The agency opens about 120 investigations per year in the United States on the basis of guns traced from crimes in Canada, with more than 90% originating from Ontario, Taylor said. The number of cases is rising, with the ATF opening more than 180 probes since October thanks to Canadian tracing, he added.

Jeff Boshek, ATF special agent in charge of the Dallas field division, said he and colleagues were stunned when tracing data started showing that Canada was a growing destination for guns from Texas.

Boshek said that an estimated 30% of all guns purchased in Texas and then traced to crimes committed abroad are linked to Canada, "which is shocking to me" because only a few years ago 100% were linked to crimes in Mexico. Boshek said the Dallas ATF office is currently investigating many traces Canada flagged.

Where Texan smugglers might double their money on a handgun sold in Mexico, they earn 10 times the price of the handgun in Canada, the agent added.

A GLOCK FOR C$8,000

Gun smuggling can be lucrative: A typical Glock handgun trafficked from the U.S. costs between C$6,000 ($4,603) and C$8,000 in the Toronto area, Ferguson said, some 10 times more than its $500 purchase price south of the border.

It is also busy: The number of firearms Canada seized at the border more than doubled last year to 1,110 from 495 in 2020 - the highest total since at least 2016, according to numbers provided to Reuters by the Canada's Border Services Agency.

This year is on track to be almost as high, with 523 firearms seized as of the first week in June.

Gun violence in Toronto, Canada's most populous city, reached a 15-year high in 2019, with 492 incidents involving firearms, according to police data. That number fell the following two years but 2022 is on track to rise once again.

In Winnipeg, which had the highest firearm homicide rate of any major Canadian city in 2020 - at 1.32 per 100,000 - police have a firearms investigation and analysis section to trace guns involved in crimes.

They can use bullet casings to trace a gun from a Winnipeg shooting to crimes elsewhere, according to Winnipeg Police Inspector Elton Hall, who called the technique a "game-changer."

AN 'UNWINNABLE FIGHT'

Tracing is far from infallible, though: Last year 1,173 guns - about 47% of all those Ontario tried to track - could not be traced at all, up from about 28.5% in 2018. Apart from Canada's lack of registry for long guns, 3D-printed guns and those with serial numbers that are too damaged cannot be traced.

Toronto Police Detective Sergeant Andrew Steinwall, who has been investigating gun crime in Toronto for more than 15 years, sees efforts to combat gun smuggling as an "unwinnable fight."

"We don't have the resources to seize every gun in this country that's come in illegally," he said.

Smugglers are resourceful: In May, a drone carrying handguns believed to be from the United States got caught in a residential backyard tree in Ontario's Port Lambton, just across the St. Clair River from Michigan.

"A drone, a gas tank, an unsuspecting mule ... these guys will find a way to get these guns over the border," Steinwall added. "The demand is here."

(Reporting by Steve Scherer in Ottawa and Anna Mehler Paperny in Toronto; Editing by Denny Thomas and Pravin Char)

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Re shootings over the weekend in toronto

it is becoming so commonplace that there is no uproar anymore…people realize that, for the most part,  the violence involves  a specific group in society…..after hours clubs, many illegal establishments or with individuals “known to the authorities”…….natural selection, so to speak.

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The show continues…..the illegal gun trade and gangstas are laughing:

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In the meantime, Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly said she has the authority to ban any import or export permit in Canada.

 

“Working with Marco, we came up with this idea of creating this new system of requiring permits,” Joly said. “But meanwhile, we will deny any permits.”

 

The temporary ban will prevent businesses from importing handguns into Canada, with a few exceptions that mirror those in the legislation tabled in May.

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“Given that nearly all our handguns are imported, this means that we’re bringing our national handgun freeze even sooner,” Mendicino said. “From that moment forward, the number of handguns in Canada will only go down.”

What are these morons thinking, other than taking marching orders from sockboy?

People are starting to realize this is just a show and does nothing against crime.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-press-newsalert-government-bans-import-of-handguns

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The show continues…..the illegal gun trade and gangstas are laughing:

Pretty much sums it up:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-latest-gun-measure-more-about-votes-and-election-posturing-than-safety

The fact that this is a "vote getter" says more about voters than anything else.

 

 

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The release of such a sweeping edict, with little concern for the hundreds of small business owners and sporstmen, sounded very sophmoric from our highly experienced foreign affairs minister, the one who didn’t know about the 5 Eyes memo..

”like, I was on a sleepover at Marco’s place, and we like, had this problem and, uhhh, we had to solve it, soooooo,  like, we came up with this idea….., we just banned it…cause I have the power, ehhh? We can do it cause,  we have to, like, have to keep Canadians safe, like from day one….and we just did it cause we don’t have a parliament anymore, and people like, believe us on like guns are bad, they kill people and stuff and our best bud jagmeet says he will back us on anything, right? Uumm ya so we did it, so that’s good right? And Marco says gun numbers will go down so that’s good right? Uumm that’s all I have to say about that.”

Unbelievable…

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Meanwhile, in Montreal…..

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Shaikh, 26, was killed by police Thursday morning at a motel in the St-Laurent borough as a Montreal police SWAT team attempted to arrest him.

 

The Sûreté du Québec alleged Shaikh killed all three of the victims at random, and said he was known to police because of mental health problems.

 

The SQ also said Saturday that Shaikh’s weapon was acquired illegally, that the suspect did not have a firearms licence, and police do not know how he obtained the weapon.


So the mayor decides she has to make a statement to reassure the population “this could have happened anywhere”….except rather than focusing on the obvious…

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Shaikh was detained at different times between 2018 and 2021 at mental health institutions after he was found not criminally responsible in a case heard at the Montreal courthouse in which he was charged with mischief in July 2018 for his actions in different incidents at Trudeau and Mirabel airports, including setting fire to his passport.

 

Shaikh was released in January 2021, and allowed to remain free despite an administrative tribunal being advised by a psychiatrist in March that he represented a “significant risk to public safety due to his mental state.”

Shaikh had reportedly threatened several employees while being treated for schizophrenia at a hospital.

Plante goes on to rail about gun control, obfuscate, and distract, a good liberal in waiting, putting in time before she runs for the coveted MP seat and pension:

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Plante said the tragedy once again raises the issue of the need for stricter gun control legislation, in addition to the federal government’s fast-tracking of a freeze on the importation of handguns, announced last week pending a broader freeze on the importation, purchase, sale and transfer of handguns in Canada.

 

“We have been talking for months, years about access to firearms,” she said. “It’s a problem in our society. It’s not acceptable that someone can order parts for a gun, or print guns themselves on 3D printers. We have to act to seize these parts at the border and stop that method of making ghost guns.”

As if any more gun laws would have helped…..I hear machetes and knives are becoming popular.

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