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As Pelosi Pushes Gun Control Bill, GOP-Led States Start Arming Teachers

Andrew Stanton - 4h ago

As Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi renews efforts to pass gun control legislation, leaders in some conservative states are instead pushing bills to arm teachers in their classrooms.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi plans to bring gun control legislation to a vote this week as some GOP-led state legislatures seek to arm teachers. Above, Pelosi speaks during a press conference in Washington D.C. on January 31, 2019.
© Win McNamee/Getty ImagesSpeaker of the House Nancy Pelosi plans to bring gun control legislation to a vote this week as some GOP-led state legislatures seek to arm teachers. Above, Pelosi speaks during a press conference in Washington D.C. on January 31, 2019.

In the wake of last week's mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, which left 19 students and two teachers dead, lawmakers from both political parties have sought to propose legislation they say would prevent future mass shootings. Democrats have proposed stricter gun regulations, while Republicans are backing bills to "harden" schools and allow teachers to carry firearms.

Pelosi, a California Democrat, said Thursday she plans to bring gun control legislation up for a vote this week.

Joe Biden Gun Plan Contrasted With Arming Ukraine, Sparking Debate (newsweek.com)

 
 

One bill, the Protecting Our Children Act, would raise the minimum age to purchase semi-automatic weapons from 18 to 21 years old, ban civilians from using high-capacity magazines and bump stocks, require background checks on ghost guns, "crack down" on gun trafficking, and strengthen storage requirements.

A second bill, the Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act, would institute red flag laws that would allow authorities to remove firearms from people who they believe to be a danger to themselves or others.

"Saving our children can and must be a unifying mission for our nation," Pelosi wrote in a Dear Colleagues letter. "To all those in the Congress who would stand in the way of saving lives: your political survival is insignificant compared to the survival of our children. We will not rest until the job is done."

Though both bills are likely to pass the House, they will likely face more opposition in the evenly-divided Senate, where they would need to garner 60 votes in order to pass. However, most Republicans remain opposed to gun control measures.

The GOP has long floated the idea of allowing teachers to carry guns at school, saying doing so would prevent mass shootings from being as deadly as they are. Critics, however, argue that arming teachers would be dangerous, and that it would be difficult to train them to properly respond to active shooters.

Despite concerns, at least two Republican-led state legislatures—Ohio and Louisiana—are considering bills that would make it substantially easier for teachers to carry guns at school.

Ohio

In Ohio, Republican legislators passed a bill last week that would significantly lower the amount of training teachers would need to be able to carry guns in the classroom, the Ohio Capital Journal reported.

Current law requires teachers to go through more than 700 hours of training, but the bill would allow them to be armed after only 24 hours of training unless local school boards require more.

Governor Mike DeWine, a Republican, said in a statement on Thursday that he plans to sign the bill into law.

"My office worked with the General Assembly to remove hundreds of hours of curriculum irrelevant to school safety and to ensure training requirements were specific to a school environment and contained significant scenario-based training," he wrote.

Louisiana

Lawmakers in Louisiana changed a bill meant to allow people to carry concealed guns without a permit into a bill that would allow teachers to have guns at school if they are trained following last week's mass shooting, the Associated Press reported Thursday.

State Senator Eddie Lambert, a Republican, proposed an amendment allowing public schools to allow designated volunteers, who would undergo training, to be able to carry guns. However, the bill may face difficult obstacles, as the state Senate adjourns Monday evening, and Democratic Governor John Bel Edwards has yet to comment on it.

Republican leaders in other states have also considered similar legislation. Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos is "open" to the idea, but his top priority is increasing the number of armed guards in schools, his spokesperson told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in an article published late last month.

At least 28 states already allow some school staff to carry firearms in some cases as long as they meet certain conditions, according to a 2020 RAND Corporation report. The report found "no qualifying studies" about whether or not the policy prevents school shootings. Texas allows teachers to become school marshals, but saw fewer than 300 teachers participate in the program, according to Politico.

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The law of unintended consequences…..from a local store..

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We added a few more models of CZ, NAA and Colt today, updated our inventory and removed the sold out models. Supplies are starting to get VERY low at most of the distributors.  The Sig, Charter Arms, FMK, Walther, Ruger (except Wranglers) and Glock distributors are now sold out.  

 

I get it….to most people, sockboy has taken action to reduce handgun violence….but really all he has done has driven up the price on the black market. 

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9 minutes ago, st27 said:

The law of unintended consequences…..from a local store..

I get it….to most people, sockboy has taken action to reduce handgun violence….but really all he has done has driven up the price on the black market. 

I doubt the black market price will change but the normal legal market has seen dramatic price jumps.  Personally I find this a little surprising.  Obviously many people seem to have taken Trudeau at face value, "We're going to freeze transfers but you can keep what you have."  So everyone is apparently buying as much as they can.  Just two years ago he arbitrarily changed the classification of 1500 restricted rifles to prohibited - rendering them safe queens - you can keep them but can't transport, use, or transfer them.  There's nothing to stop him from doing the same with handguns.  Based on his historic actions it's surprising to me that more people aren't cashing out while they have the chance.

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With a little media cooperation and constant repetition, lies and absurdities can become truth and fact.

Bananas can become oranges, boys can become girls, and an elephant can fit in your car because they come with their own trunk:

New gun legislation 'doesn't target law-abiding gun owners,' safety minister says

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https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-move-over-chicago-gun-violence-in-toronto-is-catching-up

Until voters are prepared to admit that this is a gang and smuggled firearm problem (and begin voting on policy) it simply can't and won't be fixed. I'm absolutely in awe of the denial and refusal to address the issue.  

Lots more to be had if you want it, this blight will soon be spreading to smaller satellite communities and 20 years from now it will be a regional problem and not just a municipal one. 

The first step is saying gang violence instead of gun violence... and you ain't even there yet.

What you don't want is otherwise law abiding people arming themselves out of necessity to protect themselves and their children in a world that defunds their only other option for protection.

Is it even possible to go about this in a worse manner? If you think of one, don't tell a liberal politician. 

Here's a little test, is the headline above related in any way to the headline below as far as effecting outcomes is concerned? 

66-year-old British man turned away from donating blood over refusal to say he isn't pregnant

 

 

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That would be included as part of the 56 charges I think.

Regardless though, people should really consider the difference in approach if Toronto street gangs were composed of white supremacist gangs, white nationalist gangs, skin head and neo nazi gangs, KKK gangs etc.

The political rhetoric, media reporting and policing efforts would be dramatically different on so many fronts that it could be a new thread. Liberals who can't bring themselves to act now would immediately start doing things right and getting the job done. 

On a similar note, If you need a quick police response in my area don't tell the 911 operator it's a home invasion, say you have a church congregation praying in your driveway and you think you recognize Pastor Artur Pawlowski in the group.

 

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Reporter explains to Toronto viewers how to hide from gunfire as shootings spike

"Crouch down like this, this is the only position that a vehicle will protect you from a bullet."

CP24, a CTV news channel that services the Greater Toronto Area with breaking news, ran a report on how to properly hide from gunfire after the city saw a sharp spike in shootings this past Father's Day weekend.

According to Global News: "Toronto Police Supt. Steven Watts spoke on Monday about six separate shootings in the city that occurred over the course of Father's Day weekend, beginning Friday until Sunday. He said there were two homicides as a result, with two people in separate incidents dying from their injuries.

 

The reporter explains the between taking cover and taking "concealence," which has been corrected to "concealment" in the following transcript.

"There's a difference between cover and [Concealment]. Concealment is going to hide you, and if you are in a location where bullets are being sprayed, concealment may not help you because stray bullets aren't intended for you, so whatever you're hiding behind if that bullet is making its way through that area, it's going to make its concealment and strike you.

So the best thing you can do is get yourself behind the engine block of a vehicle. Crouch down like this, this is the only position that a vehicle will protect you from a bullet, so it will conceal you, yes, but if there's a bullet coming at you from the other direction, the engine block itself is going to protect you. 

"God forbid you or your family are walking through a parking lot and you happen to hear what you think is gunfire, this is what I'd suggest is that you get them behind the engine block. That is cover, [concealment] will hide you but it won't stop a bullet, so keep those two things in mind," he said.

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3 hours ago, Jaydee said:

keep those two things in mind

Yup, and here's two more: vote on policy or learn the dance steps, there's lots more.

Won't be long, it will be coming to the burbs and satellite communities pretty soon. Too big now to simply remain in large urban areas.

Stopping it will now be more labour intensive and expensive than crushing it in the first place.The pay now pay later option was previously there. It's not anymore... now it's pay later or pay much later with costs mounting daily. Defunding comes at a time when massive budget increases are required. In about 10 years, I'll be asking WDYTWGTH?

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All about "The Right" vs the consequence.

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Supreme Court reverses New York gun law

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The US Supreme Court has struck down a New York law restricting gun carrying rights.

The law required residents who want a license to prove "proper cause" to carry concealed weapons and that they faced "a special or unique" danger.

The 6-3 decision stated the requirement violates the Constitutional right to bear arms.

The ruling is likely to impact other states with strict requirements for concealed carry permits.

Justice Clarence Thomas, writing for the six-justice conservative majority on the court, held that Americans have a right to carry "commonly used" firearms for personal defence.

The Second Amendment right to bear arms is not a "second class" constitutional right subject to greater restrictions "than other Bill of Rights guarantees," he wrote.

 

The liberal justices Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor and Stephen Breyer dissented.

 

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The AR 15 of choice in other parts of the world, one incident isn't a trend but it's a worrisome potential beginning of one. Since we now have a media fond of ignoring news, this might be a good incident not to cover.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/explosive-set-off-in-newmarket-mall-teen-charged

Should we institute a ban on the sale and transfer of pressure cookers or start addressing root causes? I'm of the opinion that people bent on mass murder will find a way, if this becomes flavour of the month AR 15s will seem like the good old days.

 

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US Senate passes first gun control bill in decades

By George Wright & Matt Murphy
BBC News

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The US Senate has passed a gun control bill - the most significant firearms legislation in nearly 30 years.

It imposes tougher checks on young buyers and encourages states to remove guns from people considered a threat.

In a rare bipartisan breakthrough on gun control measures, 15 Republicans joined Democrats in the Senate to approve the bill.

It still needs the endorsement of the lower house before being signed into law by President Joe Biden.

A vote in the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives is expected soon.

The president urged a quick vote "on this bipartisan bill" despite it falling far short of his demands. Gun control activists and most Democrats would also like to see far more stringent measures on gun control.

 

"Tonight, after 28 years of inaction, bipartisan members of Congress came together to heed the call of families across the country and passed legislation to address the scourge of gun violence in our communities," Mr Biden said.

The bill came after mass shootings last month at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, and a primary school in Uvalde, Texas, that left 31 people dead.

The reforms include:

  • Tougher background checks for buyers younger than 21
  • $15bn (£12.2bn) in federal funding for mental health programs and school security upgrades
  • Funding to encourage states to implement "red flag" laws to remove firearms from people considered a threat
  • Closing the so-called "boyfriend loophole" by blocking gun sales to those convicted of abusing unmarried intimate partners

President Biden has pushed for bigger reforms - including a ban on assault weapons, which were used in the Texas and Buffalo mass shootings - or at least an increase in the age at which they can be purchased.

The gunman in the Texas shooting is believed to have purchased two semi-automatic rifles days after turning 18.

Important milestone

The bill is also significant because it is the first time in decades that proposed reforms have received this level of support from both Democrats and Republicans.

 

Historically, efforts to strengthen US gun laws have been blocked by the Republican party.

This time the vote in the 100-member Senate was 65-33.

All 50 Democrats, including the party's most conservative members, Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, voted for the bill.

They were joined by deal-making Republicans, including the party's Senate Leader Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham, who is a close ally of former President Donald Trump and a traditional opponent of gun-control legislation.

However, two-thirds of Senate Republicans opposed the legislation, and all of those who backed it - except for Alaska's Lisa Murkowski and Indiana's Todd Young - will not face voters in November this year or have announced their intention not to seek re-election.

Texas Senator Ted Cruz, who is widely tipped to seek the Republican presidential nomination in 2024, condemned the bill as an attempt to "try to disarm law-abiding citizens rather than take serious measures to protect our children". 

 

Gun safety group March For Our Lives - founded by survivors of the 2018 Parkland school shooting in Florida - welcomed the advancement of the bill.

"We know there's A LOT more work to be done to end this epidemic. But a lot of hard work got us to tonight. We refuse to quit or be silenced. Ending gun violence is the fight of our lifetime," the group tweeted.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) has opposed the bill, and argued that it will not stop the violence.

Why is gun control such a big deal?

There are an estimated 393 million firearms currently in the US.

It has the highest rate of firearms deaths among the world's wealthy nations - more than 20,900 people have been killed in gun violence in the US this year, including through homicide and suicide, according to Gun Violence Archive, a non-profit research group.

But it is also a country where many cherish gun rights that are protected by the Constitution's Second Amendment to "keep and bear arms".

The last significant federal gun control legislation was passed in 1994, banning the manufacture for civilian use of assault rifles and large capacity magazines - but it expired a decade later.

On Thursday, the Supreme Court struck down a New York law restricting who can legally carry a gun - effectively expanding gun rights.

Although polls indicate a majority of Americans support gun control efforts, many Republican senators represent states with large pro-gun communities.

And the Republican voters whose support they need to win primary elections - the selection process within each party - are even more opposed to reform.

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Crazy is as Crazy does. Not limited to North America.

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Two dead, 10 wounded in Norway nightclub shooting, police say

The location of the London Pub, the location of a deadly shooting in Oslo, Norway, can be seen in this Google Maps image.The location of the London Pub, the location of a deadly shooting in Oslo, Norway, can be seen in this Google Maps image.
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Two people were killed and around 21 wounded on Saturday in a shooting at a nightclub in Norway's capital Oslo, Norwegian police said.

Public broadcaster NRK and other local media reported that the shooting had taken place at the London Pub, a popular gay bar and nightclub in the center of the city.

"I saw a man arrive with a bag, he picked up a gun and started to shoot," NRK journalist Olav Roenneberg told the broadcaster's news website.

A suspect was apprehended nearby, police said. It was not immediately clear what was the motive for the attack.

Oslo is due to hold its annual Pride parade later on Saturday.

"Two people are confirmed dead," the Oslo police department said in a tweet.

Photographs published by newspaper VG, broadcaster NRK and others showed a large gathering of emergency responders outside the London Pub, including police and ambulance workers.

Helicopters hovered above central Oslo while ambulance and police car sirens were heard across the city.

Three people were severely wounded, police told reporters at the scene, newspaper VG reported.

Oslo's university hospital said it had gone on red alert following the shooting.

(Reporting by Terje Solsvik; Editing by Sandra Maler)

#Oslo #OsloSentrum Det er løsnet flere skudd ved et utested i sentrum. Vi kommer tilbake med flere opplysninger. Det er skadde personer.

— OPS Politiet Oslo (@oslopolitiops) June 24, 2022

 

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5 men shot, 2 dead overnight at Oshawa bar: police

Isaac Callan - 18m ago
 
 
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Two men died and a further three were injured at a bar in Oshawa early Saturday morning, police say.

In a press release, Durham Regional Police said the incident took place at The BLVD, a restaurant and bar located on Simcoe Street North in Oshawa, at around 12:45 a.m.

There were reports of shots fired and officers arrived to find a total of five men with gunshot wounds, police said.

One man was pronounced dead at hospital while the second later died of his injuries. Police said the remaining three men were taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries and were later released.

Durham police have not released details of the events leading up to the fatal shooting or a description of any suspects.

"Police are speaking with witnesses and will provide a suspect description when one becomes available," the press release said.

The force's homicide unit is leading the investigation and has appealed for witnesses and those with video footage to come forward.

 

Handgun smuggling still a concern as Liberals move to freeze weapon

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Quote of the day from the mayor of Toronto:

... individuals who are repeatedly charged with firearm offences that pose a risk to public safety should be kept in jail pending their trials, the Mayor said.

Q- Who would have thought of such a great idea?

A- Any 10 year old child 15 bloody years ago.

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Another typical night in the Golden Horseshoe…..5 shot in a commercial robbery (gunfight?), 1 shot dead in Flemingdon Park (both in Toronto), 1 shot dead in Coburg, and 3 shootings in the Hammer….not sure how the rest of the country is keeping up.

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... individuals who are repeatedly charged with firearm offences that pose a risk to public safety should be kept in jail pending their trials, the Mayor said.

 

And then, actually keep those convicted of serious firearms offences, violent assaults etc in jail !

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Ottawa Police Shot A Man Who Was Stabbing A Woman & Found 2 Other Women's Bodies Nearby

Brooke Houghton - Yesterday 2:12 p.m.

Three people are dead after a harrowing incident that occurred in Ottawa on June 27, and the Special Investigation Unit (SIU) is investigating.

This article contains graphic content that might not be suitable for some readers.

Ottawa Police Service found the bodies of two women and shot and killed a suspect actively stabbing another woman.

The SIU is currently investigating the police shooting. They wrote that at around 10:30 p.m., the police were called from a home on Anoka Street with reports of a stabbing where screams could be heard in the background.

Police arrived at the home, which according to a news release, was "on the 1200 block of Anoka St." SIU reports officers say they saw a man on the road stabbing a woman.

Current information gathered by the SIU suggests police asked the man to drop his knife, and when he refused, three officers discharged their firearms, killing the man, who was declared dead at the scene.

The woman was also hit by police gunfire, sustained a "non-life-threatening gunshot wound," and was sent to the hospital for treatment.

Additionally, police found the bodies of two other women in the area. According to reports from CBC, the three women involved were allegedly two daughters and a mother.

The SIU has assigned two forensic investigators and two investigators to look into the incident, and so far, "three subject officials and six witness officials have been designated."

A post-mortem for the suspect has been scheduled for June 29.

"The SIU is urging anyone who may have information about this investigation, including video or photos, to contact the lead investigator at 1-800-787-8529 or online at: https://siu.on.ca/en/appeals.php"

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