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Since before guns were even invented the human race has found ways to inflict pain and death on other humans.  Rocks, sticks, spears, swords, arrows, maces, knives.... The list goes on.  Did anyone ever ban any of them? there are some restrictions in place in varying laws around the world but I am not sure of an outright ban.

As the human race has advanced we have found new and better more efficient methods of killing one another and if all guns are banned or even eliminated we can always fall back to the good old rock.  you can't ban those.

 

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As Blair gets ready to make a major policy announcement, you can bet it won’t address the real issues: 

“According to the Six Nations source, one man may be behind it all. For legal reasons, the Sun is not naming the man.

But he is well known for having a stranglehold on drug trafficking on the reserve. Toss in prostitution and weapons smuggling and the man is a force to be reckoned with.”

https://torontosun.com/news/national/five-unsolved-murders-on-six-nations-and-no-closure

Between the Six Nations at Brantford and the Mohawks at Akwasasne, and the CBSAs inability to pursue cars that run the crossing without stopping.......the problem of guns and criminals will continue unabated.

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2 hours ago, st27 said:

Between the Six Nations at Brantford and the Mohawks at Akwasasne, and the CBSAs inability to pursue cars that run the crossing without stopping.......the problem of guns and criminals will continue unabated.

Careful now, you are starting to sound like me....

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1 hour ago, Wolfhunter said:

Careful now, you are starting to sound like me....

he's not wrong, nor are you

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The accompanying video lays out the background of the “crisis” (for some communities) facing the “country” (Toronto) and points the blame directly where it belongs. And as I sit here, another (targeted) shooting in Toronto at a gas station..... and a handgun was found in the vehicle beside the victim ( I doubt it was found in a locked case, with a trigger lock, in the trunk or in a concealed location).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a18oUzzUuJk

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From the "what did you think was going to happen" file.

Is looking around corners and anticipating the law of unintended consequences now a lost art and did Liberals think that Conservatives were not capable of the same tactics and logic? If history was actually taught in school, most people would be thinking of Rome right now.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6011998581001/#sp=show-clips

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I'm losing count,  between 2008 and 2011 (ATIP), the count was 428 and here we are 8 years later .... far too much carelessness on the part of police forces in Canada. Guess what would happen if you or I did exactly the same thing. This is now a "domestically sourced crime gun" and will be added to the statistics as such and those statistics will be used against...... who?

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/local/pistol-stolen-from-mounties-personal-car-in-halifax-291379/

And far too many gangster stories. I have been watching to see how many competitive shooters and olympians  make the headlines, still waiting... . 

 https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9217838-victim-of-fatal-shooting-in-mississauga-plaza-a-member-of-hells-angels/

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Another domestically sourced crime gun that will be used as a statistic against me (and others like me). The weapons lost by police forces in Canada every year blows the back doors off any and all sentiments about "straw purchasers" by orders of magnitude. By ATIP, from 2016 to the end of 2017, 228 police weapons were lost or stolen by police services in Canada. Between 2008 and 2011 the number was 428. Statistically, all those are considered domestically sourced crime guns and blamed on registered owners.  

Imagine if I stopped off at the gym (with a loaded weapon locked up in my car) while returning from the range. You and I would be charged and lose everything. BTW, with the exception of tactical team members, police officers are not the weapon handling experts most people assume them to be.

So, in the last 10 years (say 2008 to 2018) what percentage of domestically sourced crime guns were actually lost by or stolen from police forces. I don't have the answer but I bet it would surprise everyone.... except the government and police forces who knowingly misrepresent the truth.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/unmarked-rcmp-vehicle-recovered-by-calgary-police-1.4334718

Other examples (over the years) abound:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-weapons-charges-pleas-rcmp-officer-jeffrey-gillis-1.3721609

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As they always have said, weapons do not kill people, people using weapons do.

As to the terrorist, we seem to believe that they can be cured / rehabilitated...…. well IMO they are no different that other rabid animals and should be put down...….

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LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS NOT THE PROBLEM

 

  • Calgary Sun
  • 17 Mar 2019
  • LORNE GUNTER lgunter@postmedia.com @sunlornegunter
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According to Statistics Canada, back in 1991 about 1,100 Canadians killed themselves by hanging every year. Another 1,000 shot themselves dead. By 2018, about 2,000 hanged themselves, while fewer than 600 committed suicide by firearm.

But despite the fact that hanging deaths have doubled and firearms suicides have fallen by almost half, you never hear anyone call for twine control or a longrope registry. The “experts” and politicians who push for greater gun control (and who claim their only motive is public safety), seem to have very little interest in facts.

Most years, in the whole country, there are between 150 and 200 murders each committed with guns and knives. Some years, guns slightly exceed knives as the murder weapon of choice. Most years stabbing murders are more numerous.

Yet you never hear a Liberal politician demand every home chef be forced to hand over his or her paring knives and potato peelers.

Still, federal Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, Bill Blair, the minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau continue to hint at a ban on handguns and further restrictions on rifles and shotguns before this fall’s general election.

(I actually think the SNC-Lavalin scandal has made some new form of legislated gun control more likely. The allegations that the Trudeau government may have attempted to subvert Canada’s criminal justice system have begun to eat into core Liberal support. What better way to re-energize the Liberal base than to whip up the “progressive” passion for disarming law-abiding citizens.)

But to justify singling out law-abiding gun owners as the prime target of its anticrime strategy, a government has to be able to blame legit owners somehow.

“Aha!,” the Liberal lights pop on. “We’ll claim law-abiding gun owners are now the No. 1 source for crime guns in Canada!”

And that is just what the governing party has been doing since the tragic shootings in Toronto’s trendy Danforth neighbourhood last summer — insisting that legit owners are really gun traffickers in disguise.

It’s true that in one year, three years ago, Toronto police seized more than 500 firearms. The geographic origins of nearly two-thirds could not be determined. However, Toronto police claimed that of the 200 or so they could pinpoint, the sources were divided roughly equally between the States and Canada.

But that was one year. In one city.

Ottawa police estimate nearly 80% of crime guns in the capital are foreign-sourced. And Hamilton police say smuggled firearms constitute three-quarters of their city’s crime guns.

Still, Liberal ministers persist in the myth that there are 1,200 break-ins every year in Canada to steal firearms, even though StatsCan’s database shows just five “robberies to steal firearms” in 2013, 16 in 2014, 12 in 2015 and 18 each in of 2016 and 2017.

Despite repeated claims by leading Liberals and antigun activists, the vast major of crime guns in Canada are almost certainly not bought legally by a licensed owner here, then lost or sold on the black market.

Moreover, firearms researcher Dennis Young, himself an ex-Mountie, has filed numerous access-toinfo requests with the federal government. Young has managed to pry out the fact that neither the RCMP nor StatsCan have ever compiled statistics on the sources of crime guns. The RCMP admitted to Young they don’t even have a definition of what constitutes a “crime gun.”

Just as the Liberals pushed former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to rig the SNC case for partisan, Liberal ends, they seem to be making stuff up about legit gun owners for partisan purposes, too.

It’s as simple and cynical as that.

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Search for Turkish man underway after 3 killed, 9 wounded in Utrecht tram shooting

Dutch police have released the name and photo of a 37-year-old Turkish man sought in connection with Monday morning's shooting on a tram in Utrecht that has left three people dead and nine wounded.

'The culprit is still on the run,' says anti-terror co-ordinator as threat alert raised to highest level

The Associated Press · Posted: Mar 18, 2019 7:03 AM ET | Last Updated: 2 minutes ago
 
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A manhunt was launched Monday for Gokmen Tanis, 37, shown in this image on Utrecht police's Twitter, in connection with Monday's shooting on a tram in the central Netherlands city. (Police Utrecht/Associated Press)

Dutch police have released the name and photo of a Turkish man sought in connection with Monday morning's shooting on a tram in Utrecht that has left three people dead and nine wounded.

"The police ask you to watch out for 37-year-old Gokman Tanis (born in Turkey) in connection with this morning's incident," a police statement said.

Police posted a photo on Twitter of the bearded man that shows him sitting on public transportation.

Investigators earlier said they're considering a possible "terrorist motive" and are looking into reports of other shootings in Utrecht, the fourth largest city in the Netherlands.

The Dutch anti-terror co-ordinator raised the threat alert in Utrecht province to its highest level after someone opened fire on the tram around 10:45 a.m. local time.

Possible 'terrorist motive'

An anti-terrorism unit was sent to the scene, and according to police, anti-terror co-ordinator Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg said investigators were considering the possibility there was a "terrorist motive."

"The culprit is still on the run. A terror motive cannot be excluded," he said in a Twitter message.

netherlands-utrecht-tram-shooting.jpgThe shooting took place in a residential neighbourhood of Utrecht. Police say at least three people were killed and nine wounded during the shooting on a tram. (EPA-EFE)

Dutch police said they were looking for a least one person who might have fled by car. Spokesperson Bernhard Jens did not rule out that more people might be involved.

Initially, police confirmed one person had been killed after they erected a tent over a body lying next to the tram. Utrecht Mayor Jan van Zanen later revised the death toll to three and said nine others were wounded, three of them seriously.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte called the situation "very worrying," while the counterterrorco-ordinator said he was holding a "crisis" meeting.

Democracy over 'fanaticism and violence'

"There is a mix of disbelief and disgust" throughout the Netherlands, Rutte said. "If it is a terror attack, then we have only one answer: our nation, democracy must be stronger than fanaticism and violence."

Utrecht police cordoned off the 24 October Square tram station, located in a residential neighbourhood outside the city centre, while emergency services rushed to the scene.

Helicopters were dispatched to airlift victims to hospital and police were appealing to the public to stay away to allow first responders to do their work.

netherlands-shooting.jpgDutch counterterrorism police prepare to enter a house after the tram shooting. (Peter Dejong/Associated Press)

Police instructed schools in the city to keep their doors closed.

German police said they have upped surveillance on the country's border with the Netherlands and are on the lookout for the gunman responsible for the tram shooting. 

Heinrich Onstein, a spokesperson for the federal police in the border state of North Rhine-Westphalia, said additional police had been added to watch not only major highways, but also minor crossings as well as railway routes. 

utrecht-netherlands.jpg(CBC News/BBC/Google Earth)

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I couldn’t get past the 3 minute mark, maybe you can do better.

 Military assault rifles are already illegal in Canada. To be an assault rifle you must have selective fire and a high capacity detachable magazine. If it doesn’t, it is no more an assault rifle that your pickup truck is a Mercedes by addition of a hood ornament. I bet she can’t name a single Defence Force anywhere who limit their “assault rifle” magazine capacities to 5 rounds.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/could-new-zealand-s-new-gun-laws-work-here-in-canada-1.5067554

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I really wish people wouldnt lump Canada in with the US or at the very least get confused with them.

Canada has fairly strict gun laws and VERY strict when compared to the US.  In some places too strict and in some a little lax.  but overall our system works well.

The problem in Canada is 1) the unwillingness of the police and government to admin ineptitude is controling illegally imported weapons.  2) defining what a domestically sourced gun is.

Law enforcement needs to get off their ass and the government needs to fund them to curb weapons coming in from outside our borders.

 

 

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19 hours ago, boestar said:

I really wish people wouldnt lump Canada in with the US

Me too, or even worse, compare our gun control efforts with those of island nations half a world away.... moose kill more people in Canada than registered gun owners. People in remote villages in South Sudan have less traffic accidents than Canadians too.

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The article says we are under pressure to change our laws because of the New Zealand attack

 

Liberal government's firearms-related legislation, Bill C-71, now before the Senate

 
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New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has won praise from gun control advocates around the world for her fast work in tabling new firearms restrictions following the Christchurch mosque massacre. Now, Ottawa is under heavy pressure to follow her lead.

New Zealand's sweeping ban on so-called "military-style" semiautomatic firearms has prompted Canadian activists to redouble their efforts to pressure the federal government to further tighten the law here. They're calling on the Trudeau Liberals to first pass what they see as the relatively timid reforms included in Bill C-71 before moving on to more controversial changes — such as a handgun ban.

"The government of New Zealand has swiftly and responsibly responded to the atrocities ... by almost immediately committing to ban the type of weapons that facilitate such extreme violence," said gun control advocate Nathalie Provost, a survivor of the 1989 gun massacre at École Polytechnique in Montreal that claimed the lives of 14 women.

"Yet here in Canada, 29 years after Polytechnique, twelve years after (the Dawson College shooting), four years after the murder of three Moncton RCMP officers and two years after our own massacre at a peaceful mosque in Quebec City, the Liberals are still dithering on what to do about legal assault weapons."

Prime Minister Ardern has issued a cabinet order that bans New Zealanders from owning semi-automatic firearms like the one used in the March 15 terrorist attack that killed 50 people at two Christchurch mosques. The order bans ownership of semi-automatic firearms capable of use with a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds.

Ardern also is moving to ban accessories, like bump stocks, that enable a firearm to fire more ammunition faster. Firearms most commonly used by farmers and hunters — such as rifles with small, non-detachable magazines — will be permitted.

"The huge difference is that New Zealand is acting and Canada is not — and yet we have a government that promised to get handguns and assault weapons off our streets," Heidi Rathjen, a coordinator with gun control group PolySeSouvient, said in an interview with CBC News.

"The Liberals are so terrified of this. The public is in favour of a ban but they're terrified of the gun lobby, which is extremely active and threatening in terms of elections and votes."

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Boufeldja Benabdallah is the president of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Quebec City, the place where Alexandre Bissonnette killed six and maimed many others in January 2017. He said that, without stricter controls, Canada risks a repeat of what went on within the walls of his mosque.

"Murders occur because we don't have control over these instruments of death and, quite simply, because we haven't prohibited or seriously regulated these weapons of war. Whether it be a handgun or an assault rifle, it's a weapon of war that kills," he said.

(Bissonnette had a handgun, a semi-automatic rifle and several full magazines on his person when he walked into the mosque on the night of Jan. 29, 2017.)

Canada already has limits on how many cartridges a magazine can hold; depending on the firearm, magazines are limited to either five of 10 cartridges.

Gun rights advocates maintain that by targeting so-called "assault rifles" — a term that has no legal standing in Canada — gun control activists are focusing on what a gun looks like rather than its more salient features, like firepower. Both sides agree Canada's classification system, which groups firearms into three classes — non-restricted, restricted and prohibited — is outdated and arbitrary.

Canada has long prohibited the possession of fully automatic firearms. And any would-be gun owner in Canada has to submit to a background check and complete training before applying for either a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) or a restricted PAL and purchasing a gun. Canadians already register restricted (and prohibited) firearms, such as handguns, with the police.

Some maintain targeting legal firearms owners, through either C-71 or a potential ban, is the wrong approach given that much of the gun-related crime in this country is perpetrated by criminals using handguns smuggled from the U.S.

"The lion's share of firearms homicide is committed by illegal gun owners. No methodologically valid study has been able to find evidence that stricter gun laws, or even gun bans, have reduced general homicide rates or spousal homicide rates," said Gary Mauser, a professor emeritus at Simon Fraser University and a noted gun rights advocate. 

Out of all the violent gun crimes in 2017 in Canada, 59 per cent involved a handgun, 18 per cent involved a rifle or a shotgun, 6 per cent involved a fully automatic firearm, sawed-off rifle or shotgun and 17 per cent involved a firearm-like weapon or an unknown type of firearm, according to data from StatsCan presented last week at a Senate committee studying Bill C-71.

 

There are, however, large regional disparities in the numbers.

Since 2009, for example, handguns — most of them illegal — have been involved in 83 per cent of all firearm-related violent crimes in Toronto, compared to 52 per cent for the rest of Canada.

"For over 30 years legal gun ownership in Canada has increased but homicide rates have decreased," Mauser said. "How big a threat is a licensed firearms owner? In Canada, moose kill more people each year than registered and licensed firearms owners."

The Liberal government's only piece of firearms-related legislation so far, Bill C-71, is now before the Senate. It includes enhanced background checks for anyone applying for a PAL, mandatory record-keeping for firearms retailers, changes to the authorization to transport (ATT) rules, and the reclassification of two types of firearms.

Ottawa also has commissioned a study on implementing further limits (or an outright ban) on handguns or "assault-style" weapons as firearms-related homicides continue to plague major Canadian cities. City councils in Toronto and Montreal already have passed resolutions demanding federal action on the file.

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"My bottom line is that Bill C-71 is a small step in the right direction but we need a lot more if we're going to significantly reduce homicides, not just gun-related homicides, but all homicides in Canada," said Irvin Waller, a professor emeritus of criminology at the University of Ottawa.

"I am, frankly, shocked by my own statistics. If you look at the G7 countries and don't include the United States, Canada is the prize winner [with the most homicides]. There's been a major shift in Canada over those 40 years to less criminal use of long guns and in the last 10 years a rapid increase in the criminal use of handguns. Bill C-71 does not address the issue of handguns in any major way."

 

To that end, Border Security and Organized Crime Minister Bill Blair is mulling a far-reaching change to firearms law along the lines of New Zealand's reform — which would risk opening up an urban-rural divide in the Liberal caucus.

"We are are considering any and all options that will better protect Canadians and keep them safe," a spokesperson for the minister said in a statement to CBC News.

"Our government remains concerned about all instances of tragic acts of firearm violence. As mandated by the prime minister amidst increasing gun violence across Canada, Minister Blair has been examining a comprehensive ban on handguns and assault-style weapons, all while respecting law-abiding gun owners."

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3 hours ago, Malcolm said:

 The order bans ownership of semi-automatic firearms capable of use with a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds.

That is exactly the case in Canada right now. Some might take issue with the word "capable" and its interpretation. Magazines can be (largely) interchangeable as we have seen with gang members in Toronto using over capacity, illegal magazines on illegal handguns for illegal purposes. That will continue regardless of interpretation or regulation.

That issue aside, semi automatic pistols are currently limited to 10 rounds and some revolvers (Ruger GP100 for instance) have cylinders chambered for 7 rounds.

Detachable rimfire magazines (.22) are not subject to the 5 round restriction. 

Further, those rifles called "military style assault rifles" are not, in fact assault rifles at all because they lack selective fire (fully automatic) and are subject to the 5 round magazine capacity limit. They are, in fact, simply semi automatic rifles with black plastic stocks and detachable box type magazines. Gun control activists want you to believe that they are assault rifles in order to effect an incremental ban on semi automatic rifles with 5 round magazines... no different than many hunting rifles currently in use. If that happens, they will then work toward a ban on semi automatic rifles across the board and will rightly point out that the assault rifles (previously banned) are exactly the same (in function) as other rifles in common use.

Overall, while the tactics are smart, they are also, at best, disingenuous, sneaky and likely have broad appeal with those unfamiliar with the current rules. Worst of all IMO, is the full complicity of the media and police services who know full well what is what. 

In most break and enters, the theft of weapons is really a target of opportunity found on site at the time of the break in. The incidence of targeted break and enters specifically to steal firearms is actually quite low (and supported by ATIP requests). While the graph will always imply "break- in to steal fire arms" it would be more accurate to say "break-ins in which a firearm was stolen". If the graph was actually plotted as worded, the line would be virtually non-existent..... and they know that too. Incidentally, the hundreds of police weapons lost and stolen over the years are included in most of the self serving graphics as well. Cool eh?

The more you know about any subject currently under consideration by the Liberals, be it gun control, SNC, military stuff (like the F18 purchase) etc etc, the more you come to realize how despicable these folks actually are. I have often disagreed with the actions of past governments but I have never felt embarrassed and lied to before. For most veterans, the notion that the Veterans Affairs portfolio would be a "demeaning demotion" for any Minister of the Crown is, in and of itself, an absolute show stopper.... as it was for me. I doubt they are even aware of how much of the military vote that one (little) thing has already cost them.

 

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Interesting that the wording now says "Detachable Magazine"  I don't think that was the wording before.  There are at least 2 semi automatic rifles that are exempt from the 5 round rule due to design.  The M1 Garande for example carries a 10 round clip and there is no 5 round alternative.  Incidentally it IS a  military rifle.  It just doesnt look all scary and stuff.

 

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7 hours ago, boestar said:

Interesting that the wording now says "Detachable Magazine"  I don't think that was the wording before.

Indeed, and I think I was amending my post slightly as you posted yours. The word "capable" makes it pretty wide ranging as well. 

This issue is like kryptonite for Liberals but they just can't seem to help themselves. 

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ITs too bad.  the Harper PCs were just about to get it right. and then.....THIS

 

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Nothing is as it seems anymore.  I don't have a link so this is a bit long.... sorry.

Media Dutifully Promotes Manufactured "Shooting Epidemic" for Political Gain

EDITOR'S NOTE: Sources tell us that the “Doctors that Hate Gun Owners” will be having a rally/press conference on April 3rd. One of the cornerstones of their talking points is the thoroughly discredited study published in March 2017 by the Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ). This misleading, highly torqued study is a politically-riddled sham, calculated to drum up anti-gun sentiments by invoking the images of children injured with firearms. We ran the commentary below at that time, and we feel that this information bears repeating.

Stay tuned as we give our take on the Australian firearm fairy tale next week. 


How do you tell when a story is “fake news"?

Researchers defining police shootings as accidents is one way. Calling 24-year-old adults “youth” and lumping them in with 16-year-olds is another. 

This is, sadly, standard fare for doctors with a political agenda. Combine that dishonesty with a media party willing to promote any and all anti-gun agendas with glee and you have, well, March 27, 2017.

The study in question, published on March 17 in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, made international headlines with its grossly misleading statements and preconceived conclusions.

The line generating hysterical headlines around the world is pulled from the study’s conclusion.

“We counted almost 1800 firearm injuries among children and youth in Ontario over a 5-year period, which represents almost 1 injury per day.”

That spawned such asinine headlines as:
One youth shot almost every day in Ontario, study finds – Globe and Mail
1 child or youth injured by gunfire nearly every day in Ontario, pediatricians find – CBC
Despite Stringent Gun Control, One ‘Child or Youth’ Shot Every Day in Ontario – Breitbart.com
A CBC News promo clip screeched, “Tonight! Guns in the Home! Shocking statistics reveal that nearly every day injuries are caused by youths with access to guns and many are not accidental!” 
The CBC promo clip cuts to one of the researchers, who says, "When I first saw the total number of injuries it was staggering," before ending with “Learn more tonight, only on the National at 9 and 11!”

So much for journalistic integrity.

Let’s start with the age issue.

Canada’s Youth Criminal Justice Act uses the following ages to define child, young person (youth) and adult:

- child means a person who is or, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, appears to be less than twelve years old 
- young person means a person who is or, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, appears to be twelve years old or older, but less than eighteen years old
- adult means a person who is neither a young person nor a child. 

In other words, adults are anyone 18 years of age or older. You cannot compare a 24-year-old gang member and criminal with a 7-year-old child and say you’re talking about the same issue. That is absurd. 

So why did this study’s researchers include seven years of adult statistics in their study of children and youth firearm injuries?

The answer is as simple as it is deceitful: They started with a preconceived conclusion and kept raising the age of those included until they could “prove” their desired result.

Fake news. Fake researchers too. 

Honest researchers with integrity would ask the question and see what conclusion the evidence supports. These people started with their conclusion (guns are bad and hurt children) and kept falsifying the data until it “proved” their preconceived notion.

That’s not research. That’s propaganda. And the media party gleefully spreads the fake news.

At no point do the researchers explain what parameters they used to define a gun. 

The Ontario Court of Appeal, in R. v. Dunn, determined a firearm is any barrelled device capable of firing a projectile over 214 feet per second. 

“Barrelled objects shooting a projectile with a velocity of more than 214 ft./s. (or 246 ft./s., using the V50 standard) are firearms, because they are capable of causing serious injury or death...”

Is that the standard used by the researchers? We have no idea. They never say.

At no point do the researchers explain what they considered an “injury.” Did the person cut themselves? Did they drop a firearm on their foot? Did they shoot themselves? We have no idea. 

We do know, however, the number one cause of hunting injuries is falling. 

If a 21-year-old hunter fell down and broke his leg while carrying a rifle, is he considered part of this study? Good question.

What the study does tell us clearly is refugees from Africa and Central America have the highest rates of accidental and assault-related firearm injuries. That same table shows the longer African and Central American refugees are in Canada, the more likely they are to be shot, accidentally or otherwise. This is described in the study’s abstract like this:

“Among immigrants, refugees had a 43% higher risk of assault-related firearm injury compared with nonrefugees. Immigrants from Central America and Africa accounted for 68% of immigrants with assault-related firearm injuries.”

The Canadian Paediatric Society possessed rare courage when it revealed “…of all firearm deaths among 15- to 24-year-olds, 94% were in males.”

Criminal gang members, for the most part, although nobody wants to say that out loud. 

The Canadian Paediatric Society went on to say: 
“Guns should not be kept in homes or environments where children and adolescents live or play. Screening for the presence of a firearm in the home is an essential part of the safety assessment of a depressed or suicidal youth, and removal of the firearm from the home must be recommended in this situation.”

Shades of the thoroughly discredited Kellerman study! While demonizing guns and gun owners, The Canadian Paediatric Society also expressed stunning ignorance of Canadian gun laws.

“Legislative measures to strictly control the acquisition, transport, ownership and storage of firearms, and to reduce smuggling of firearms, are also recommended.”

 

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And again you stand a better chance of being killed by a moose.  Actually you probably stand a better chance of being shot by a moose

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3 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

 

I am pretty sure the government need not worry about a coup from the "well regulated militia" crowd.

 

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Anyone who has a rudimentary knowledge of the gun control situation in Canada will appreciate the irony here. You would have to be a Liberal zealot not to laugh:

"Justin Trudeau says we can’t have politicians going around telling lies."

“We put the opposition leader on notice because he was making false statements and misleading Canadians,” Trudeau told the Commons on Tuesday."

“You can’t be lying to Canadians, and I think highlighting that there are consequences — short-term and long-term — when politicians choose to twist the truth and distort reality for Canadians,” Trudeau said.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-accuses-scheer-of-lying-seriously

At least he got this part right:

“It’s not something we’re going to put up with.”

Meanwhile, as he is saying all this, at the Senate National Security and Defence committee hearings on Bill C-71, Senator Marilou McPhedran, a Manitoba Senator appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, moved to amend bill C-71 to add a clause that would ban all handguns in Canada. The motion was defeated with five Senators voting against and only two in favour. Three Senators on the committee abstained.

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And as if more proof was needed to illustrate the pointlessness of a hand gun ban:

 

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“Two groups of people encountered each other in a convenience store,” said a Toronto Police news release put out by Const. David Hopkinson. “Both groups brandished guns and there was an exchange of gunfire.”

The thugs fled and police recovered one gun.

 

They had something else too. Security camera footage from two angles.

Oops.

Now police knew who everybody was. And their manhunt ensued.

The first to be caught was Cosmo James, 34, of Toronto. He has been charged with two counts of attempted murder, possession of a loaded firearm and numerous gun charges. He has also been charged with four counts of breaching his weapons prohibition order.

Nathaniel Grant, 34, of Toronto, is charged with possession of a loaded firearm and other gun charges including four breaches of a weapon prohibition.

Now comes the chase to catch the other two.

Dwight John, 22, of Toronto, is wanted for three counts of attempted murder, numerous gun violations and a breach of bail conditions.

Malik Christie, 20, of Toronto, will be charged with possession of a loaded gun and other firearms violations and a fail to comply with bail conditions too.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/two-arrested-two-sought-in-scary-toronto-shootout

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