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all over Canada we are seeing more killings involving ethnic minorities rather than the Canadian Majority (whatever that is) , Perhaps time to close our borders until we can figure out what the hell is going on?  Then of course there is the ethnic gang violence, home grown or ?
we are a nation of immigrants but the recent wave seem to be more violent and not limited by religion or race. No hope re education, the only hope would seem to clamp down hard on those who are involved. There will of course be cries of ethnic bias but we can only hope those in the communities can / will bind together and help the rest of us to drive out / put down the thugs. 


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Watched Goodale (public security minister)on CBC tonight....commenting on Toronto shooting and remarking how proliferation of handguns on the streets are from robberies of private owners. No mention of a recent bust of a certain cultural group in Toronto.


Sixty of the handguns came from a single seizure from an alleged gunrunner for the gang. Police say they’ve also identified a gun seller from Florida who had been supplying the gang with guns for resale. 

A “clean” handgun that hasn’t been used in a previous shooting can be purchased south of the border for US$500 and then resold on Toronto streets for about $4,000 – the guns seized would have fetched a total of $200,000 in profit for the gang, police said.

Florida is not traditionally a source of smuggled guns to Toronto, Insp. Belanger said, and “although it was a sophisticated operation, we feel that we’ve shut it down in its early stages.”

Insp. Belanger said the gang’s gun and drug smuggling reached into the United States and throughout the Caribbean.

To mention this would illustrate how little is being done,as public security minister, to secure our borders and stop smuggling at a particular indigenous territory. 

Easier to blame legal handgun owners and the existing system.

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Interesting, because of a Toronto problem, the feds are going to change the laws for all of Canada.  Why not instead increase and apply the penalties for those who use guns to commit crimes.  How about removal of the trigger finger for first offence?  ?

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I didn’t know Reese Fallon.

I may have met her, once, when Beaches-East York MP Nate Erskine-Smith – who did know her – held an anti-racism event in our neighbourhood.  Nate had a number of Young Liberal club members there, helping out. Reese wa s a member. I remember feeling sorry for these young people, because a group of neo-Nazis and white supremacists had shown up and were disrupting the meeting. It was pretty ugly.

So, I didn’t know her.  I do know, however, that she is still being mourned – she isn’t even in the ground, yet – after she was murdered on Toronto’s Danforth Avenue Sunday night.  She was there for a birthday celebration with friends.  One of those friends was wounded and taken to hospital, too.

That’s what I know.  That’s all that most of us know.

Here, too, something else I know: it was appalling, and wrong, for CBC Radio to devote a lot of time, this morning, to the killer.  In one part, they had what sounded like a professional actor breathlessly read the letter his family sent out.  In another part, they had a youth worker who knew the killer come on for a lengthy segment, and he related how the killer had “a million-dollar smile” and was “humble and reserved.” It went on and on and on like that, for a long time, on CBC Radio.

I don’t know if any those things are true, either.  Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t.  I don’t usually associate having “a million-dollar smile” with people who slaughter children on a city street.

What I do know is this: it isn’t just governments that have a role to play in preventing other Reese Fallons from being slaughtered.  The media has a role to play, too.

And that role does not include treating the killer with more deference than they do the killer’s victims.

Before they – innocent children – are even in the ground.



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this mental illness is getting to be the "go to" defense.


The man who has presented himself as the point of contact for the family of Faisal Hussain is a professional activist who has reportedly committed himself to “framing a new narrative of Muslims in Canada” and creating a “national political movement.”


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“TORONTO -- Canadian investigators were digging Tuesday into the life of the 29-year-old man who opened fire on restaurants and cafes in a popular Toronto neighborhood, seeking to explain what prompted the rampage that killed a 10-year-old girl and a young woman and wounded 13 others. 

"At this stage, based on the state of the investigation, which is led by the Toronto police service, there is no connection between that individual and national security," Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said.

But a law enforcement source told CBS News that Faisal Hussain visited Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) websites and may have expressed support for the terrorist group. They were looking into whether Hussain may have lived at one time in Afghanistan and possibly Pakistan, the source said. There is no indication that Hussain was directed by ISIS to carry out the attack.”

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If they claims are true, then sanction with extreme prejudice.

On the supply side, this has some interesting statistics.


Handguns accounted for the smallest share of imported firearms, save for muzzleloader hunting rifles — but saw the largest spike in imports.

Though registration requirements remained for handguns and restricted rifles after the Conservatives dismantled the long gun registry, imports of revolvers and pistols jumped by 86 per cent during the five-year period from 2012 through 2016 — with total imports at 291,373 for that period, compared to 155,917 imported handguns from Jan. 1, 2007, through Dec. 31, 2011.

Combined, the rifle, shotgun and handgun imports totalled 1.9 million during the five years 2012 through 2016, compared to 1.06 million imports of the same categories of firearms from the five years 2012 through 2016.


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The gun used was illegal, so no change to current gun ownership laws will stop this type of weapon being used. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-shooter-s-gun-was-illegal-originally-from-u-s-source-1.4027129

               CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:08AM EDT

Faisal Hussain likely got the gun he used to shoot 15 people on a busy Toronto street from a “gang-related source,” according to a person familiar with the case.

CP24 safety specialist Cam Woolley says a police source has told him the semi-automatic handgun used in the shooting is illegal in Canada and was originally from the United States. American authorities are helping track the gun’s exact origin.

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More info.... it has been put fwd the gun belonged to the shooters brother....who has been in a coma for the last year from a drug overdose, who also belonged to a gang that was involved with a turf was with another gang...

Well see how long before CBC and Goodale comment on that......

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‎Today, ‎July ‎25, ‎2018, ‏‎7 minutes ago

As Toronto’s tragedies mount, is Canadian gun crime spiralling out of control?

‎Today, ‎July ‎25, ‎2018, ‏‎11 minutes ago | Tristin Hopper

Following a random mass shooting that killed a 10-year-old girl and an 18-year-old woman, both the federal government and Toronto mayor John Tory are promising a crackdown on handgun ownership and illegal firearms.

“There are far too many people carrying around guns in our city and our region who should not have them,” Tory told city council on Monday.

And Tory has a point: Even before Sunday’s shooting his city was already counting more shootings and shooting victims in the first seven months of 2018 than in all of 2017.

But is the uptick in Toronto gun tragedies a sign of the country as a whole? Below, a quick look at the statistics on guns and crime in Canada.

Gun violence is up, but mostly in rural areas

A Monday release of crime data by Statistics Canada identified gun violence as a “focus of concern” for law enforcement. In 2017, 7,700 people were victims of a crime that involved a firearm — the fourth consecutive rise in this category since firearm crimes reached a historical low in 2014. This doesn’t mean that all 7,700 people were shot, but that they were assaulted, robbed or otherwise violated by someone who had a gun. Most of the rise in gun crime was not happening in places like Toronto, however. Statistics Canada noted it was happening mainly in Saskatchewan and Ontario, but in areas outside “census metropolitan areas”; essentially, cities with fewer than 100,000 people.

The overall Canadian murder rate is trending down

Below is a graph showing the Canadian murder rate from 1961 to 2016. Although murders have been on the upswing over the past few years, it shows that in general Canada’s murder rate still remains lower than at any time since the late 1960s. The 2016 homicide rate was 1.68 murders for every 100,000 people. For context, Canada spent the entire 1990s with a rate of more than two murders per 100,000. In fact, when compared to the utter carnage of the 1970s and 1980s, Canada can even boast fewer overall murder victims despite a massive rise in our population. In 2017, 611 people were murdered in a country of 35 million. In 1975 700 people were murdered in a Canada with a population of only 23 million.


The Canadian homicide rate per 100,000 persons from 1961 to 2016. Although murders are currently experiencing an upswing, the big picture still shows a general trend downwards.

As gun murders go up, other kinds of murder can go down

Canada marked a dubious milestone in 2016. That year, shootings pulled past stabbings as the number one method of killing someone in Canada: 223 people were shot to death, 175 were stabbed and the remaining 213 were killed by other means, include beating and strangulation. Guns have occupied the top spot before, but for most of the 21st century Canadian murders have primarily been committed with knives. If one were to look exclusively at the data on gun murders, it would seem like Canadian homicides were spiraling out of control. The gun homicide average of the prior five years was only 160 — 28 per cent lower than the 2016 number of 223. However, the average total murders for the prior five years was only 559 — just 8.5 per cent lower than the 2016 total of 611. The reason for this is that while Canadian gun murders were going up, stabbings and beatings both went down. There are good arguments to be made that ready availability of guns makes it easier to murder people, but the point is that gun crime alone is not necessarily a good gauge of how many Canadians are being murdered.


Graph showing the overall murder rate plotted against the methods used to commit those murders. Guns are currently the single most frequently employed murder weapon in Canada, although for much of the 21st century it has been knives.

Canada’s most violent cities are all in the prairies

Of late, Toronto has been getting a disproportionate share of headline-grabbing killings, be it the April 23 vehicular attack on Yonge Street or the daily revelations about serial killer Bruce McArthur. But when it comes to raw numbers, the country’s largest city is still one of its safest urban areas. Statistics Canada maintains a measure called the “Crime Severity Index,” which counts crimes and then ranks them by severity in order to gauge the relative violence taking place across the country. According to numbers released this week, Toronto’s crime severity index is 48.7 — well below the Canadian average of 72.9. The only major cities with a lower rate, in fact, were Barrie and Quebec City. Meanwhile, the prairie cities of Edmonton, Saskatoon, Winnipeg and Regina all have Crime Severity Indices well above 100. Edmonton alone suffered 45 murders in 2017 compared to Toronto’s 61 — a particularly notable gap considering that Toronto is more than three times the size.

Criminals using guns is going way up, but most violent crime is still gun-free

Police keep track of every time a criminal pulls a gun, points a gun or shoots a gun that misses. It’s essentially a running tally of every time that a gun is used for a crime without anybody getting hurt. And this number has been jumping precipitously ever since 2005. In 2017 there were 2,734 instances of someone “using, pointing or discharging” a firearm. Across the first decade of the 2000s, by contrast, the yearly average was only 1,946. While some of this may be due to differences in police reporting of gun crimes, it certainly seems to show that criminals are waving guns around much more. However, when it comes to overall violent crime in Canada, most of that is happening without a gun. In 2012 Statistics Canada reported that only two per cent of Canadian violent crimes involved a gun, and only 19 per cent involved a weapon of any kind.


The blue line tracks every time a gun was used, pulled or illegally discharged. The red line tracks homicides committed by guns. The police-reported use of guns in crimes has grown well out of proportion with the number of people being killed by gun crime.

Violent crime may be trending up across Canada, but it’s still way below its 1970s peak

Speaking of crime severity, it’s been dropping across the board ever since bell bottoms were still in fashion. Although Canada’s rate of violent crime has been rising somewhat ever since hitting a historical low in 2013, we’re still in the middle of a prolonged decline in the rate of Canadians getting hurt or robbed by criminals. In fact, Canada’s trendlines for violent crime are similar to those of the United States: It begins to dramatically pick up in the 1960s, peaks near the end of the century and then begins a plummet that continues to this day. Nobody really knows why this is happening, although theories range from an aging population, a less hard-drinking society and better security technology. In 2013 violent crime dropped so low that Statistics Canada even felt confident to say that homicide was a “a relatively rare event in Canada.” So when a politician says that violent crime is currently “going up,” it’s partially because we’ve just come out of the least violent year in a generation. In March, a CBC analysis rebuked the federal Liberals’ frequent tendency to reference rock-bottom 2013 crime rates as a tactic designed to make “crime stats worse than they really are.” The story noted, “any year in the past half century can be made to look alarming by comparing it to 2013.”


A Statistics Canada graph tracking police-reported crime in Canada from 1962 to 2016.

Despite what you’ve heard, Canada’s illegal guns aren’t exclusively the Americans’ fault

In the wake of Sunday’s shooting in Toronto, one statistic kept reappearing in online discussions: That 98 per cent of guns used in Canadian crimes originated in the United States. This is a wildly misleading figure first cited in a February column in the L.A. Times. It refers to the fact that most of Canada’s crime guns were manufactured in the United States — not that they were smuggled here over the U.S. border. In truth, about half of all Canada’s illegal guns start out as legal guns purchased at a Canadian gun store — with the other half coming by way of American gun smugglers. “A lot of people are so ready to blame the big bad Americans, but we had our own little problem here,” Toronto Police detective Rob Di Danieli said this week.


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Lots of interesting pov in the comments section....one comment indicated that gun statistics can be misleading: a gun found at the scene of a crime with its serial # filed off will be deemed to be a “Canadian” gun even if it was probably smuggled into Canada...they have no way of tracing its origin.

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Frankly, I have lost confidence in the mainstream media to report on issues such as gun violence and immigration issues (the governing party.?......nuf said! ...listening to the all party committtee on immigration yesterday was disgusting).

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3 hours ago, st27 said:

Frankly, I have lost confidence in the mainstream media to report on issues such as gun violence and immigration issues (the governing party.?......nuf said! ...listening to the all party committtee on immigration yesterday was disgusting).

I've lost confidence in the mainstream media to report anything!  I don't care if it's a report on the local PTA meeting - if CBC is the entity doing the report it's biased, inaccurate and flawed.

Reminds me of an one joke about Pravda;

Pravda was covering a race between the USSR's fastest car and the USA's fastest car. The results of the race were that the American car won, and the Soviet car came in second, but Pravda reports it as the Soviet car finishes second and the American car finishes next to last.

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"Following a random mass shooting that killed a 10-year-old girl and an 18-year-old woman, both the federal government and Toronto mayor John Tory are promising a crackdown on handgun ownership and illegal firearms.

“There are far too many people carrying around guns in our city and our region who should not have them,” Tory told city council on Monday."


Perhaps some sort of mandatory pre-election test should be required of all would be officials that provides the public with a degree of assurance the candidate has the mental skills necessary to the job?



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18 hours ago, st27 said:

Frankly, I have lost confidence in the mainstream media to report on issues such as gun violence and immigration issues (the governing party.?......nuf said! ...listening to the all party committtee on immigration yesterday was disgusting).

A man murders two girls in the street and injures over a dozen more, but sure, let's write about his "complicated past full of family misfortune." 

There are 15 victims here, and Faisal Hussein isn't one of them.




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Teacher says Faisal Hussain told him: 'I want to kill someone'


A teacher and a former classmate of the man who shot 15 people on a busy Toronto street on Sunday say he made disturbing comments that once prompted a call to police.

Faisal Hussain’s teacher at Victoria Park Collegiate says the school called the police nine years ago after a conversation he had with Hussain in class.

“I asked him, ‘What do you want to do? Like what do you want to do with your life?’” the teacher told CTV Toronto. “And (Hussain) said 'I want to kill someone.'”

The teacher, who wishes to remain anonymous, says he was stunned by Hussain’s comment, and asked him, “'Why, what did they do to you?'”

He says Hussain responded, “No, I just want to kill somebody ... I think it would be cool.”

Police took Hussain into custody and he was investigated under the Mental Health Act, according to the teacher.

A classmate, who does not wish to be named, says she remembers Hussain carrying around a notebook that he would sketch in during class.

“It was always very dark and hard for me to understand,” she said.

The classmate says she was friends with Hussain on Facebook and that he would post pictures of guns and make worrisome comments.

“He would talk about beating up his mom,” she said. “I vividly remember that because I reached out to him and said, ‘That's super inappropriate and I really hope these are just lyrics and you’re not meaning these things.’”

Hussain has been identified as the man who died after exchanging gunfire with police after rampaging along Danforth Avenue on Sunday night.

Reese Fallon, an 18-year-old woman about to start nursing school, was killed during the shooting. Ten-year-old Julianna Kozis of Markham, Ont., also died.

A source close to Faisal Hussain tells CTV News that the gunman was buried on Wednesday, and that he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.





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