Something for all who may be without power or just want a neat toy and it is made in Canada

[Guest]

from: Lee Valley  Although we never have had a power outage here, it will be great on our patio table.

Candle-Powered LED Lantern

This innovative lantern emits a surprising amount of light, considering its power source. No power cord or batteries are required; it generates its own electricity by harnessing the heat energy of a single candle flame to run eight LEDs. It produces the equivalent light of about 18 tealight candles (70 lumens), more than enough to read by or illuminate a table top. The lantern’s operation is based on a phenomenon known as the Seebeck effect, using thermocouple technology to generate an electrical current by exploiting the temperature difference between the inside of the lantern and the cooler outside air. As long as the candle inside the lamp housing is burning, the LEDs will continue to emit light. Largely made of stainless steel, aluminum and tempered glass, the lantern is 7" x 7" x 8" tall. An internal chamber keeps the flame safely enclosed, preventing it from blowing out, even in strong winds. The LEDs are set inside the rim of the peaked roof, which can be placed on top of the lantern to illuminate a localized area, or elevated on two telescoping supports for a wider floodlight effect. A useful lamp wherever an electrical outlet isn’t available, and great to have on hand in case of power failures. Three tealights included. Made in Canada. A brilliant idea – literally!

[moeman]

Very cool.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/page.aspx?p=68887&cat=2,40731

[Seeker]

3 hours ago, moeman said:

Very cool.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/page.aspx?p=68887&cat=2,40731

$130.00 and need candles to make it work?  I think something like this would be a better solution:

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/coleman-divide-twist-lantern-0762099p.html#srp

500 hours on low setting.  I wonder how many candles you'd need to run the Lee Valley lantern for 500 hours?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, seeker said:

$130.00 and need candles to make it work?  I think something like this would be a better solution:

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/coleman-divide-twist-lantern-0762099p.html#srp

500 hours on low setting.  I wonder how many candles you'd need to run the Lee Valley lantern for 500 hours?

The LeeValley unit is simply just neat ( 1. An expression that means something is wonderful, terrific, or cool. 
).

[Kip Powick]

3 hours ago, seeker said:

$130.00 and need candles to make it work?  I think something like this would be a better solution:

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/coleman-divide-twist-lantern-0762099p.html#srp

500 hours on low setting.  I wonder how many candles you'd need to run the Lee Valley lantern for 500 hours?

You would need about  135 candles....sold in packs of 27 ..each 27 candles  gives approximately 108 hours of light.

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

You would need about  135 candles....sold in packs of 27 ..each 27 candles  gives approximately 108 hours of light.

Seeker/ KIP Almost from what I have read being = to the Ontario emergency cost less the actual $$$$$.

so how about giving me a list of your Neat Items vs Necessary and I will provide you with more reasonable alternatives.

[Seeker]

50 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

You would need about  135 candles....sold in packs of 27 ..each 27 candles  gives approximately 108 hours of light.

 

At $14.99 per 50 tealights (from Amazon), that's a little over $40 in operating cost to get the same runtime as the 4-D cell version.  The batteries are a couple of bucks from the Dollarama or around $30 if you spring for the NiMH rechargeables (virtually free to top off once you have them).

 

While we're on the topic of emergency power and lighting....

I have one of these in the basement that I keep topped off along with a 400W Pure Sine Inverter:

http://www.northstarbattery.com/product/nsb-agm-27

More than enough to provide days of power and charge capability for cell phones, computers, etc, but intentionally sized to be too small to run any appliance (so there's no temptation for anyone to try to use it to run the toaster!)

[moeman]

I guess if Malcolm had posted a picture of a Tesla, the reply would have been how much cheaper it is to walk...

[Kip Powick]

45 minutes ago, seeker said:

 

While we're on the topic of emergency power and lighting....

I have one of these in the basement that I keep topped off along with a 400W Pure Sine Inverter:

http://www.northstarbattery.com/product/nsb-agm-27

More than enough to provide days of power and charge capability for cell phones, computers, etc, but intentionally sized to be too small to run any appliance (so there's no temptation for anyone to try to use it to run the toaster!)

I have one of these....

 

and 3... 20 liter Jerry cans of premium gas at hand. Even with electrical failure, you can normally find gas somewhere, even if you have to siphon it from your car or boat. It will run the must have "fridge(2) / freezer" and small electric gizmos. Runs about 14 hours on 5-6 litres

Oh, yeh...a 5/8 chain secures it to the back deck when being used. a fellow a couple of streets over came home one day and a fellow had backed his car into his laneway and was attempting to take his Honda..(ice storm year in Ontario)

[Seeker]

Oh yeah, I have one of these but I use the battery and pure-sine inverter for delicate electronics.  You wouldn't want to plug your cell phone into a gas genny.

[Seeker]

7 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

a fellow a couple of streets over came home one day and a fellow had backed his car into his laneway and was attempting to take his Honda.

Yes....and what's the rest of the story?

[Kip Powick]

Re Cell and Honda.......We went 100 % solar with a 3000 Pure Sine Inverter on the boat in 2014.

Prior to that we charged our two cells , my iPad, laptop etc with that same generator....no problems...it puts out regular 110-120V AC

 

Re -attempted theft...Lots of pushing and shoving and a lot of strong language and the guy in the 1/2 ton took off like a scalded cat but the owner of the Honda got the licence plate. He told me the cops got him but never told me the "justice" outcome.(((Maybe just a warning?? The guy never really got the gen in his truck))) 

[mo32a]

I have a 15kw generator that is hooked up to the NG line. Powers everything but the stove basically.

[Seeker]

15 hours ago, Kip Powick said:

 

Prior to that we charged our two cells , my iPad, laptop etc with that same generator....no problems...it puts out regular 110-120V AC

Yes, I know it puts out "regular" 120VAC however small consumer generators often produce significant surges, spikes and voltage swings and don't usually put out a nice sine wave either.  Depending on the generator they can be pretty good when "on-speed" but will likely be way off during startup and shut-down.  I suspect most people (most people with a technical nature at least) know that you must never start up or shut down a generator with anything plugged into it.  Another source of possible spikes comes from a significant change to the load on the generator.  If you have a fridge plugged in, for example, and the compressor motor cycles on or off the voltage will either swing to under or over voltage before the output from the generator can compensate.  Back to my battery and pure-sine inverter backup - this is mostly to have a convenient indoors secure power source and secondly so I don't have my cellphone disappear in a puff of smoke if it happens to be plugged into the genny when the tank blows.

[Kip Powick]

Whatever turns you on but I think you are overly concerned about the sensitivity of your electronic gadgets.

I can tell you I have had two EU2000i  since they came out....One to operate and one as a backup when on the boat. In all the years I have had them, I have never had and incident of "sensitive" equipment being damaged while the single unit is plugged into the boat.

Needless to say one does not plug anything in until the engine is running but there are thousands of boaters out there that swear by them, however no one is doing brain surgery utilizing sensitive neodymium:yttrium-aluminum-garnet lasers so inverter sensitivity is not that critical even though the internal inverter puts out an almost  perfect sine wave. (certainly not a modified sine wave)

I don't recall anyone that has had a single problem with charging cell phones and the myriad of other toys we all like to have onboard.

PS...my second EU2000i will be going for sale on Kijiji in the Spring....right now it is in the basement, empty of any fuel, waiting for a happy customer.

Give me a call if interested

[ywgame]

Kip, you are doing the same thing as Seeker by using an inverter based gen...except paying a lot more. Seeker is referring to conventional gens (read cheap, offshore like the yellow one above) that indeed put out almost unusable power by anything with a motor or sensitive electronics (resistive loads..lights, heaters, seem not to mind)...but you can buy a conventional gen plus a suitable inverter for less than half the cost of an inverter gen.

[Kip Powick]

Ok...I see where you are going.

His photo Genset above is about $550.00. I guess he would have to buy a 12V DC battery charger, a reasonable battery and a 300- 500 Watt pure sine wave inverter for the sensitive stuff.

My Hondas run about $1200.00 (on sale)

You are probably correct in that his total  cost would be less than mine however, he has his for his house, I use mine for my boat and need the lighter weight and portability. 

At home I  used the Honda, (ice storm), for 3 electrical appliances but would still plug cell phones etc into it with no risk, as far as I am concerned.

 

 

[boestar]

Remember as well your phone charger these days is rated up to 250 VAC input so you should never see a voltage spike that high.  The Transformer will smooth that out to a nice ~5 VDC.  should nt be a problem.  Older chargers may have an issue

 

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

Ok...I see where you are going.

His photo Genset above is about $550.00. I guess he would have to buy a 12V DC battery charger, a reasonable battery and a 300- 500 Watt pure sine wave inverter for the sensitive stuff.

My Hondas run about $1200.00 (on sale)

You are probably correct in that his total  cost would be less than mine however, he has his for his house, I use mine for my boat and need the lighter weight and portability. 

At home I  used the Honda, (ice storm), for 3 electrical appliances but would still plug cell phones etc into it with no risk, as far as I am concerned.

 

 

and here I thought, like us in non rural Alberta, you had no need for a generator and in particular because of the large amount you pay for your electrical service. Most of our lines are underground. 

[Guest]

On 12/23/2016 at 7:24 PM, seeker said:

 

At $14.99 per 50 tealights (from Amazon), that's a little over $40 in operating cost to get the same runtime as the 4-D cell version.  The batteries are a couple of bucks from the Dollarama or around $30 if you spring for the NiMH rechargeables (virtually free to top off once you have them).

 

While we're on the topic of emergency power and lighting....

I have one of these in the basement that I keep topped off along with a 400W Pure Sine Inverter:

http://www.northstarbattery.com/product/nsb-agm-27

More than enough to provide days of power and charge capability for cell phones, computers, etc, but intentionally sized to be too small to run any appliance (so there's no temptation for anyone to try to use it to run the toaster!)

Seeker, if you are paying 14.99 for 50 tealights then you are def. getting ripped off.  Here is what Ikea charges.

 

 

 

 

GLIMMA

Unscented tealights

$4.99  / 100 pack

 

Article Number : 

500.979.95

 

 

 

 

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[Kip Powick]

Malcolm.....Tea Light Candles come in different sizes.

Don't know what size the lantern recommends

But Amazon's $4.99/100 each burn only a couple of hours, they are very small. They also sell some that each  burn 8 hours 

There are also makers of tea candles that have been proven to burn 9 hours each.

Hard to discern the cost and what size you can use without talking to the manufacturer of the lantern.

[Guest]

Kip: my post was about something that I viewed as being neat and in particular a Canadian Product. It was not intended to become a discussion about whether or not it was practical.  Just like folks choices in boats, cars etc. Practical vs neat is not necessarily part of the equation. The people who make the light also have a line of Marine Products.

http://www.caframolifestylesolutions.com/marine/

And here is a goto to the manual for the lamp:

http://www.caframolifestylesolutions.com/product/joi/joi-heat-powered-lamp/

 

[Kip Powick]

Malcolm..

Indeed...I don't care about the practicality of the lamp...I was merely pointing out that tea candles come in varying sizes...thus if one is to purchase the lantern, one must know what size they can use and then search prices. In my opinion those 100 for $4.99 are really not suitable. You would be lucky to get an hour or so out of one.

 

Re you link to their products.... very familiar with the marine aspect. I purchased one of these..

It lasted about 1 month and then quit. I called the company........they wanted the serial number.......I gave it.......They stated that there was a batch that they had problems with...told me to dispose of it and they would send a new one....and they did. One of my boating friends is an electrical engineer, used to work for NRC....he took it home and over the winter, took it apart and fixed it.!! I now have two in the aft stateroom.....nice...... instead of using AC when out on the hook !! The company is right here in Ontario.....and do stand behind their products..Have a nice week 

[Guest]

On 12/25/2016 at 10:04 PM, Kip Powick said:

Malcolm.....Tea Light Candles come in different sizes.

Don't know what size the lantern recommends

But Amazon's $4.99/100 each burn only a couple of hours, they are very small. They also sell some that each  burn 8 hours 

There are also makers of tea candles that have been proven to burn 9 hours each.

Hard to discern the cost and what size you can use without talking to the manufacturer of the lantern.

My lantern just arrived, put one cheap Ikea tea light (.05 with the gst) in in and it generated great light for over 4 hours.  By great light I mean good enough to read by. Looking forward to using it on the patio this summer. 

[Kip Powick]

 

Malcolm

Glad it is working for you 

As you live out in "Oil-Land", here is a link for something that may enhance your patio reading.....

Just in Case