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Two solitudes....North America will never be the same.

Fiction from Trudeau:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has extended his condolences following the death of former Cuban leader Fidel Castro, calling him a “legendary revolutionary and orator.”

“It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving president,” Trudeau said in a statement issued later in the day, offering his “deepest condolences” on behalf of all Canadians.

 

Reality from Trump:

The world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades, Trump said in a statement issued hours after Castro's death. "Fidel Castro’s legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights."

 

Trudeau continues to be an embarrassment to every Canadian. Every time he opens his mouth more stupid falls out.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/fidel-castro-dies-justin-trudeau-issues-statement-much-hilarity-ensues-trudeaueulogies

 

 

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And for those who have forgotten or are too young to remember. 

 

Cuban Life under Castro

After taking power, Castro abolished legal discrimination, brought electricity to the countryside, provided for full employment and advanced the causes of education and health care, in part by building new schools and medical facilities. But he also closed down opposition newspapers, jailed thousands of political opponents and made no move toward elections. Moreover, he limited the amount of land a person could own, abolished private business and presided over housing and consumer goods shortages. With political and economic options so limited, hundreds of thousands of Cubans, including vast numbers of professionals and technicians, left Cuba, often for the United States.

From the 1960s to the 1980s, Castro supplied military and financial aid to various leftist guerilla movements in Latin America and Africa. Nonetheless, relations with many countries, with the notable exception of the United States, began to normalize. Cuba’s economy foundered when the Soviet Union collapsed in the early 1990s and the United States expanded sanctions even further. Yet Castro, who by this time had switched his title from prime minister to president, found new trading partners and was able to cling to power until 2006, when he temporarily gave control of the government to Raúl after undergoing emergency intestinal surgery. Two years later, in 2008, he permanently resigned.

In 2015, U.S. and Cuban officials announced they had agreed to terms on the normalization of relations between the two nations, with mutual embassies and diplomatic missions opening in each country.

Castro died on November 25, 2016, at the age of 90. His death was announced on state television  and later confirmed by his brother Raúl. Castro will be laid to rest in the city of Santiago de Cuba.

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And I think Trudeau was very reasonable in his remarks and most of those who ridicule him are Americans who have been dazzled by the footwork of the emigres.

If you want to see the handiwork of that  Cuban expat community, look to Miami. The highest incidence of medicare fraud in the US is centred in one community....Miami-Dade. The reports of corruption are rife but you have to live there to actually appreciate the collective disrespect for the "unconnected". If you want something....anything....you have to know someone. You must have an "in".

Are all Cubans of that ilk? Of course not but they have infiltrated every level of the community and to be honest, I think it not unreasonable to describe the Cuban community as " mafia-like".

I am suggesting that cultural character did not spring up only with the arrival of the emigres in Florida nor did it originate with the Mariel exodus. It is very much a part of Cuban culture that ensures some thrive while many others simply survive.

Batista was a dictator whose control depended upon the support of the "haves" in Cuba and upon the US. He was disposed of by Castro with the support of a majority of Cubans...the "have nots". The Castro years ensured health care to all; housing; food and education. You were expected to repay your country by providing service and Cuba exported medical care throughout South America and the Caribbean basin.

If you were of the former "ruling class"...life as you knew it came to an end and many fled with their assets "nationalized". Those people and their children and grandchildren revile Castro.

Think for a moment about Iraq and the misjudgment of the importance of a "strong hand" controlling the disparate factions. I don't know that the analogy is complete but I suggest that Cuba had and may still have a need for such strong hands at the helm.

I think of the ball players who were nurtured on community ball fields only to take the first opportunity to defect when the lure of money was waved before them. Meanwhile, doctors and nurses were tending to the sick for the same wages as were paid to teachers and laborers alike. 

I'm not a socialist by any stretch but I do understand the ideology behind the tenet "give as you are able; take as you need". And I also understand why those who support the philosophy " take what you can when and while you can and keep as much as you can" might have less than positive thoughts and remarks about Fidel.

Whatever you may think of him, Fidel Castro truly believed in his cause and lived his "faith" in relative humility. He died as he lived...a true revolutionary dedicated to the "cause" and that holy grail was the betterment of the Cuban people.....not just a few but all. He can be faulted for many things but not for lack of sincerity.

I apologize that I ramble and that I have over-generalized and over-simplified but it bothers me that people do not understand the sadness of those in Cuba now mourning his death and the joy of those in the emigre community celebrating his demise.

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Hi UD

That is a a thoughtful post but I have to disagree.

Lots of Canadians taking Trudeau to rask for his remarks.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/justin-trudeau-fidel-castro-statement/

I don't think he lived a life of humility, far from it. His people were the victims of him being a slave to a corrupt ideology.

The ball player on community fields arguement who fled is a non starter. I met many trained professionals who worked the most menial tourism jobs to make connections and a few extra bucks, trying to put yourself in a better situation is a basic human instinct.

I never faulted the bellhop at The Las Americas resort who left his job as as trained physican because he wanted to get funds to build a second floor on his parents house for his wife and son.

Castro created a culture of fear with neighborhood block captains spying on their neighbors to make sure nobody tried to get an extra bag of cement or something new from abroad.

He was a thug and a killer.

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6 hours ago, chockalicious said:

I never faulted the bellhop at The Las Americas resort who left his job as as trained physican because he wanted to get funds to build a second floor on his parents house for his wife and son.

 

Big of you.

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Just a thought. A news article yesterday stated that there was a new BILLIONAIRE in the US every 6 days. People crossing the millionaire threshhold (excluding the value of housing and luxury use items) were much more numerous and frequent.

What does that mean? I suspect that "a billion just isn't what it used to be" but there is more to this story since there is such a huge number of people in North America who could not meet current liabilities if unpaid for a week!!

Remember a kazillion years ago when riding the club car on CN was a mark of affluence and a significant step up from the bus? And then jacket and tie on the airplane...in economy!!

And now? Most in "J" appear to be on their way to a leisure wear convention.

I am developing a nagging suspicion I am being left behind and that the explanation for the informality of business class is the migration of the "jacket and dress slacks" crowd to private carriage. Someone is filling all of those private jets I see departing and arriving overhead with amazing frequency.

What does this have to do with a "corrupt ideology"? Every once in awhile...lying in bed waiting for the sleep fairy.....don't you ever find yourself pondering your good fortune.....the fortuitous coincidence of both parentage and place of birth? And as a corollary, asking why can't that be you luxuriating in your "old" G5 passing overhead en route to a dinner date in Paris?

Happy Sunday!!

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3 hours ago, deicer said:

Let's also not forget that the Americans put an embargo on Cuba basically because Castro shut down their offshore casino/whorehouse.

The embargo was a stupid by-product  of the Cold War and should have been scrapped long ago.

Sex tourism flourishes in Cuba despite claims to the contrary.

Nothing like seeing beautiful, young women with old fat Euros and Canadians who are too socially retarded to get a girlfriend back home.

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43 minutes ago, chockalicious said:

The embargo was a stupid by-product  of the Cold War and should have been scrapped long ago.

Sex tourism flourishes in Cuba despite claims to the contrary.

Nothing like seeing beautiful, young women with old fat Euros and Canadians who are too socially retarded to get a girlfriend back home.

So in your eyes is it ok for socially retarded young slim Euros and Canadians to be seen with beautiful, young women?:P  I would question why anyone would need to travel to seek sex.

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I guess not everyone is as study as you Malcolm.^_^

I think Sex Tourism is deplorable whether it is board favorite Rush Limbaugh going to the Dominican Republic or a retired mill worker whose pension makes him a king in Cuba getting a girlfriend 25 years his junior and having kids with her, kids that he never intends on bringing to Canada to meet his adult children.

Both are lame.

I look at Costa Rica which at least seems to he doing things to discourage sex tourism with countries that don't because those men still bring in dollars.

 

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So like all leaders, the legacy of the Castro brothers, we seem to be forgetting there were two, will contain flattering references as well as not so endearing recollections of their time at the helm.

I don't think it would be an over statement to describe the Castro perspective on governance as coming from the 'extreme Left' and sixty years on we can judge the results fairly.

It would seem that health care and education did okay, but everything else that makes for a progressive society is missing and everyone below ruling class exists in a state of nothingness.

No doubt there are a number of lessons to be taken from the Cuban experience, but the recognition of one finding in particular is critical to our own future I think. That is; as well intentioned as the Western Left may be, they must come to grips with the fact that the ideology they're pursuing is demonstrably flawed and always leads to dead ends. Western society has imo reached a turning point; we can keep giving away stuff for free, or begin to require, even demand that people contribute to the collective good, earn their own way in life as best as possible and be held responsible for the decisions they make. Taxing the so-called wealthy into poverty to support all the 'social causes' masquerading as 'government programs' guarantees but one eventual conclusion, a Cuba like Canada.

 

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49 minutes ago, chockalicious said:

I guess not everyone is as study as you Malcolm.^_^

 

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Chock and Malcolm...

I want to comment on that "sex tourism" exchange but don't have the time just now. Could you guys put that subject on hold for now?

I will attempt to persuade you that there is some social merit to the "old guys". who retire in countries such as the DR and marry young women who bear their children. Those men are not the same as those who jet into Thailand with a week's supply of blue pills and run out on the 4th day.

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3 hours ago, UpperDeck said:

Chock and Malcolm...

I want to comment on that "sex tourism" exchange but don't have the time just now. Could you guys put that subject on hold for now?

I will attempt to persuade you that there is some social merit to the "old guys". who retire in countries such as the DR and marry young women who bear their children. Those men are not the same as those who jet into Thailand with a week's supply of blue pills and run out on the 4th day.

I agree with you on this point. My objection was to the "Old Fat" tag.  I am one but not the other and I have never been to Cuba, if I did my wife of 46years would be with me.

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Castro was made a villain because he didn't want the US to influence Cuba or other island nations.  Bautista was and would have been a worse leader than Castro ever was.  Had the US lifted the Embargo decades ago, Cuba would have flourished.  Under Bautista it would have been the 51st state and completely ruined.

The Trade Embargo killed Cubas Economy not Castro.

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