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9 minutes ago, deicer said:

Here it is, Donnie's now cutting children's health care to pay for the tax cut for his 1% buddies.

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“ The proposed cuts to CHIP would come in part from cutting $5 billion from the Children’s Health Insurance Fund, to help reimburse states for certain expenses. But the White House said the ability to use this money expired in September, meaning it can’t be legally used, even as it remains on the government’s balance sheet.”

 

And all along I thought budgets balanced themselves...fooled again.

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10 minutes ago, deicer said:

So instead of repurposing it for children's healthcare, it goes to the 1%.  

Donnie's true mandate.

If nothing else, you help with comic relief Deicer

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I guess that I am the only one who picked up on the irony that on the day the First Lady announced her platform of 'Be Best',  is was reported that the President was calling on Congress to cut funds from the Children's Health Insurance Program to pay for tax cuts.

 

 

 

 

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you guys all need to stop watching the headlines adn start looking at whats hidden in the middle of the paper.  Trump is doing way more damage that the circus that is keeping your attention.  Just keep chasing the shiny object.

 

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If you're referring to the dismantling of the education system, defunding science into the environment, removing EPA protections, removing banking protections, etc, etc, then yes, have been keeping an eye on that too.

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Brash and rude at times, but still the only guy that's been able to get anything done; all the rest were political windbags.

Trump just said no to renewing the Iran deal ... gotta love the guy for doing the right thing!

If there ever was any possibility the deal might be extended, even temporarily, it was probably torched the moment Kerry arrived in Iran to hold 'secret' discussions with the leaders of the terror state.

What kind of promises did Kerry make to the Iranian leadership and on who's direction was he acting?

Even the politically blind should recognize the dangerous internal political place America is in now.

   

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yeah good call pulling out.. Except he can't pull out he can only violate the terms of the deal.

if the deal collapses then the AECL will have no oversight and Iran can enrich as much uranium as it wants which will increase the speed at which they can produce a Nuke.  Brilliant plan. Go from being able to monitor to being blinded.

The plan wasn't perfect but better than no plan at all.

 

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Now being reported that Mueller following the money is paying off in the Russia investigation.  Apparently the seizure of Cohen's papers has come up with interesting links back to Russia as well as providing funding to the Trump campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/michael-cohen-shell-company-payments.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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57 minutes ago, boestar said:

yeah good call pulling out.. Except he can't pull out he can only violate the terms of the deal.

if the deal collapses then the AECL will have no oversight and Iran can enrich as much uranium as it wants which will increase the speed at which they can produce a Nuke.  Brilliant plan. Go from being able to monitor to being blinded.

The plan wasn't perfect but better than no plan at all.

 

One need to look no further than this to determine why you don’t trust IRAN...EVER......As proven with North Korea, The ONLY way to deal with a  terrorist nation is from a position of strength. As with most of his policies, OBAMA totaly screwed up when he signed that deal. Bandaid solutions never fix problems, they just allow the sickness to fester..

 

“ Politicians in Iran have set a U.S. flag ablaze and chanted “Death to America” after Donald Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal.” 

The lawmakers also torched a symbolic copy of the Iran deal before vowing to increase spending on the country’s ballistic missile program.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/05/09/watch-iran-politicians-burn-u-s-flag-vow-death-america-response-zionists-will-regret/

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And now we have an un vetted rouge nation with no international controls that will, instead of 20 years, have nukes in 5.  Great plan.  I prefer the original screwed up plan.

 

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"if the deal collapses then the AECL will have no oversight and Iran can enrich as much uranium as it wants"

Atomic watchdogs only go where & when they're allowed; how'd they make out in NOKO over the last three decades?.

The business concerns of Americans and the rest of the signatories to the agreement are going to have to take a back seat now. The Neville Chamberlain's out there are going to have to get a grip on their over expressed fear of life.

As a citizen of the world I'm pleased to see the US President is putting the long term interests of the little guy ahead of the business community.

 

"Iran can enrich as much uranium as it wants which will increase the speed at which they can produce a Nuke."

Enriching uranium was always too cumbersome politically and a generally bad idea for for all sorts of other reasons right from the start.

Iran messed up technically somewhere along the way in the manufacture of their boiling pot reactor, which made it unusable scrap. To save face, they pretended to become co-operative citizens of the world.  

Some sources suspect Iran is now planing to construct a CANDU style heavy water moderated reactor,. If they are successful and do bring one up to operational status, the rogue nation will be able to fuel the beast with easy to produce, clean, but essentially unrefined uranium.

Fortunately for Iran, the uranium fuel bundles are safe and easy to handle going in, but when spent, the pellets contained within will have been transformed into weapons grade plutonium.

And good luck to the world from that point on. 

 

 

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As a citizen of the world I'm pleased to see the US President is putting the long term interests of the little guy ahead of the business community.

SERIOUSLY????

You are NOT paying attention

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"Now being reported that Mueller following the money is paying off in the Russia investigation.  Apparently the seizure of Cohen's papers has come up with interesting links back to Russia as well as providing funding to the Trump campaign."

 

Your apparently insatiable need to hate has damaged your credibility again.

Sadly, you have a demonstrated propensity for buying into the unsubstantiated claptrap the  fake news outlets publish.

In this case you quickly enjoined with the failing ny times and a slime-ball lawyer to become a presumably unwitting purveyor of the 'fake news'.

How do you live with yourself?

Just come to the light and you too will be saved.

 

 

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On 5/9/2018 at 9:58 AM, boestar said:

And now we have an un vetted rouge nation with no international controls that will, instead of 20 years, have nukes in 5.  Great plan.  I prefer the original screwed up plan.

 

The best thing that could happen is for Iran to start its nuclear program again as Trump has vowed dire consequences if it does. Finally a leader that means what he says when it comes to security instead of the pacifist wimp policies of the Obama years.

With any luck at all he will end this threat for all time by wiping it from the map.  The world has been held  hostage for way too long by these Islamist terrorist countries. It's time they paid the piper. 

Israel sent a very strong message this morning to Iranian interests in Syria. The future is upon us.

 

Israel strikes back against Syrian targets and threatens 'storm' on Iran after Golan Heights attack.

 

Israel and Iran lurched closer to an all-out war in Syria on Thursday after Iranian forces allegedly fired rockets into the Golan Heights and Israel responded with some of its heaviest airstrikes in years. 

The exchange of fire was the most direct confrontation between the Middle East rivals after years of escalating tensions in Syria and came just one day after Donald Trump pulled the US out of the Iran nuclear agreement and reimposed sanctions on Tehran.

According to the Israeli military, Iranian forces based in Syria fired a barrage of around 20 rockets at Israeli troops in the Golan, the mountainous region Israel captured from Syria in 1967 and has occupied since. 

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/10/israel-fires-barrage-missiles-syria-accusing-iranian-forces/

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On 5/9/2018 at 9:58 AM, boestar said:

And now we have an un vetted rouge nation with no international controls that will, instead of 20 years, have nukes in 5.  Great plan.  I prefer the original screwed up plan.

 

While i have no direct experience with Iran, or in-depth knowledge of the agreement, I can tell you that monitoring things in that part of the world without absolute freedom of movement and total access is simply a mugs game. Thinking that you are actually getting the job done is even worse, and staking your (or a regions) safety and security on it is simply not a sound plan.

I don’t actually know, but nothing in my experience leads me to believe (for an instant) that the monitors have unfettered access to what they want to see, when they want to see it or that Iran will actually abide by this, or any agreement that they don’t enter under duress from sanctions. And I mean heavy, draconian, painful sanctions, the kind that cause or are likely to cause a revolt by the population. Unless and until the survival of the regime is at stake, they will proceed with their own agenda, don't be fooled...In this part of the world, just when you think you have a good deal, you will be handed your head.

 

 

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Viewpoint: Trump knew Iran deal wasn't working

  • 11 May 2018

No-one should have been surprised when President Donald Trump walked away from the Iran deal, says conservative writer Adam Gingrich, because this is a leader who keeps his promises.

It's official. President Donald Trump pulled the plug on America's end of the so-called Iran Deal.

The fact that many in domestic partisan circles and the world abroad are surprised by this is, well, surprising.

President Trump has a penchant for keeping his campaign pledges once in office. This might be a new concept to politicians in Washington, but it shouldn't be.

The list of people unhappy with this decision is decidedly longer and more comprehensive than the list that support the move. There can be no denying that.

 
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There is little comfort in Europe today that President Trump took great diplomatic pains to listen to their alternative perspective on staying in the deal. However, in all fairness, I doubt any interested parties are shocked by the decision to pull out.

It may have worked for other signatories, but President Trump once again affirms his mantra - America First.

France, in particular, stands to lose significant business dealings with Iran as a result of the reinstated sanctions.

Losing deals to provide 100 new Airbus airliners, and opening a $5bn oil exploration project with Iran means real world economic consequences for a close ally of the United States.

President Trump's resolve appears to run much deeper than such diplomatic considerations.

Newly minted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo now has his work cut out for him. He must navigate the anger from Europe and Russia, while convincing North Korea that America will honour the deal they are currently negotiating.

Welcome to the job, Mr Secretary! No pressure.

There are very real world consequences to this action and President Trump will need to highlight the real world need to scrap this deal.

Hyperbole from the president ("this is the worst deal in the world") and derisive commentary will not suffice with an American public who slightly favoured staying in the deal.

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The Department of State needs to continue to lead on a solution that doesn't end with sanctions.

Many Trump voters who were sceptical of John Bolton's appointment as National Security Advisor will be watching closely.

There is currently no appetite in the Trump base to trigger destabilising Iran to where it was in 2014.

In the end, this was always going to happen. Our allies should have been game-planning this scenario since Trump was elected.

Predictably, though, the Middle East ramifications are immediate and not readily associated with carefully thought out diplomatic responses.

Within days of President Trump's announcement, missiles are flying again in the region. Iran's proxy war partners in Syria and Yemen are targeting Israel and Saudi Arabia in a very dangerous fashion.

This is how Iran sends its messages. Diplomacy need not apply.

The question for Trump was always this: will this Iran Deal end up being the equivalent to the North Korea deal struck by President Clinton 20 years ago?

The answer to him was obviously yes. Delaying the inevitable, appeasement through diplomacy, has a very bad track indeed with global bad actors like Iran.

I credit President Trump for recognising that fact.

However, now the hard work starts. We need to lead on a solution.

Merkel, May and Macron share a joke in Brussels in 2017Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Happier times... before Trump pulled the plug

The world is looking to us, not to scrap complicated denuclearisation deals and then watch the fallout.

I count on this administration to roll up its sleeves and get to work on a better deal.

North Korea can take away from this one very important fact - don't enter into any negotiations or any deal with the intent on not complying with your end of the bargain.

President Trump has an established track record now as a leader who will walk away from the table or scrap a deal that he thinks has been broken.

Are we surprised? He's been doing it successfully in business for 40 years.

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