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I didn't see the correction regarding the woman who complained her hijab was torn off. Allegedly....she lied. Trump was elected by virtue of the votes of those he persuaded with his campaign pron

This is all I will say on the subject. Let's be honest, they didn't exactly have an easy choice. Liar vs. Liar is a pretty accurate way to frame it. They made their choice but were deeply divided in d

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6 minutes ago, deicer said:

Big names behind this documentary, should be interesting.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzTzgf9i4vw

Looks to me like a bunch of posers claiming prescience while actually relying on hindsight.  It's easy, dead easy, to look back at some complicated series of events and point out errors with the benefit of knowing how things actually developed.  It's a trap.  I make decisions in my life based on my assessment of the choices and potential outcomes at the time when a decision needs to be made and then do not go back and second guess them based on future knowledge.

Did the governments of the world make less than ideal choices?  Of course.  The real question should be; were the decisions made appropriate with the information available at the time the decisions needed to be made?

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14 minutes ago, seeker said:

Looks to me like a bunch of posers claiming prescience while actually relying on hindsight.  It's easy, dead easy, to look back at some complicated series of events and point out errors with the benefit of knowing how things actually developed.  It's a trap.  I make decisions in my life based on my assessment of the choices and potential outcomes at the time when a decision needs to be made and then do not go back and second guess them based on future knowledge.

Did the governments of the world make less than ideal choices?  Of course.  The real question should be; were the decisions made appropriate with the information available at the time the decisions needed to be made?

With what is known from available sources, and from Woodwards tapes, much was known early on and continues to be manipulated by the White House.

210,000 dead and counting. 

And to cap it off, trump tweeting not to be afraid of covid is the modern day equivalent of 'Let them eat cake'.

 

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Once again you post out of context.

Science is a continual process and continues to evolve.  As more is known, the more it will change.

Why don't you post on how it has 'changed' in the last six months?

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And to cap it off, trump tweeting not to be afraid of covid is the modern day equivalent of 'Let them eat cake'.

 

A large part of what a commander/leader must do is inspire confidence.  Trump standing on the balcony, removing his mask and saying "don't fear the covid" is an exercise to inspire confidence.  The idiot talking-heads on CNN who are losing their minds over this have lost the plot.  If Trump had scurried into the WH and refused to show his face they would say he was showing a lack of leadership - it's a no-win scenario.  Do you want a president who tells the population to be afraid and predicts doom or one who projects calm confidence?  It doesn't matter if confidence is warranted the leader must display it regardless or all is lost.

 

 

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What he did wasn't inspiring confidence, it was propaganda.  He is out of touch with the scope of the pandemic affecting his country.  If his citizens had the same access to health care that he has, then the statement would hold water.  But like the statement attributed to Marie Antoinette,  when told that the people were starving and had no bread, trump's statement to millions that have no health care, and to the millions he is trying to take health care away from through the supreme court, the sentiment is the same.

The same is being observed abroad, it isn't the actions of a leader, but those of a dictator.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/foreign-election-observer-experts-fear-for-us-democracy

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31 minutes ago, deicer said:

What he did wasn't inspiring confidence, it was propaganda.  He is out of touch with the scope of the pandemic affecting his country. 

Do you honestly believe this?  That he is out of touch with the scope of the pandemic?  With all the resources of the federal government, advisors, data analysis, daily briefings?  That he doesn't know what's going on?  That's ridiculous.  I believe he is quite aware of what is going on and has chosen to project a brave face and act as the stabilizing force rather than running around with his hair on fire.  The truth of the situation doesn't even matter - the leader must always - always! - project confidence or all is lost.

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Infected Trump seen ‘gasping’ from White House balcony before photo op

 

The stories say he was seen to be gasping for air.  Well of course he was, at 74, just out of hospital, overweight and after climbing 2 flights of stairs..... no wonder he needed air. ?

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10 hours ago, seeker said:

Do you honestly believe this?  That he is out of touch with the scope of the pandemic?  With all the resources of the federal government, advisors, data analysis, daily briefings?  That he doesn't know what's going on?  That's ridiculous.  I believe he is quite aware of what is going on and has chosen to project a brave face and act as the stabilizing force rather than running around with his hair on fire.  The truth of the situation doesn't even matter - the leader must always - always! - project confidence or all is lost.

Yes he does believe it.....And there is the problem ....classic Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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Infected Trump seen ‘gasping’ from White House balcony before photo op

 

The stories say he was seen to be gasping for air.  Well of course he was, at 74, just out of hospital, overweight and after climbing 2 flights of stairs..... no wonder he needed air. ?

 

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33 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

....classic Trump Derangement Syndrome.

If Trump paddled a canoe into a lake to rescue three people from drowning, the headline would read “DONALD TRUMP CAN’T SWIM.”

Had he swam out but only rescued one person in the effort, the headline would read “TWO DROWN BECAUSE TRUMP ARROGANTLY REFUSES TO USE BOAT”

When it comes to curing TDS, trying is the first step toward failure.

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Good Morning:

This article was written by conservative writer David Frum  Staff Writer at the Atlantic:

What Did You Expect?

David Frum

Illustration of Donald TrumpThe Atlantic

There is a great deal you have every right to expect at this moment of crisis, and no reason at all to believe that Donald Trump or his White House will provide it.

You cannot expect this White House to tell the truth about President Trump’s health.  His doctors have lied about the president’s weight and height.  They have never offered an adequate explanation of his sudden, unscheduled visit to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center a year ago.  Even the fact that a close aide to the president had tested positive for the coronavirus was kept from the public until Bloomberg broke the news.

You cannot expect the White House to produce any orderly plan for the execution of Trump’s public duties, even to the very limited extent that Trump executed public duties in the first place.  British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was diagnosed with COVID-19 on April 6 of this year.   Johnson formally deputed British Foreign Minister Dominic Raab to preside over the government during his own incapacity.   But the pattern in the Trump administration has been that the president will not and cannot do the job himself, and that he vengefully strikes down anyone who tries to do the job for him.

Trump fired his most successful chief of staff, John Kelly, for trying to force him to work.  Kelly’s successor, Mick Mulvaney, survived by enabling Trump “to act as he chooses—a recognition that trying to control Trump is a futile approach,” as Politico’s Nancy Cook put it.   Likewise, Vice President Mike Pence had better be awfully circumspect about filling the role that the Constitution and its Twenty-Fifth Amendment assign him.   Trump will be watching.  So long as Trump is conscious, he will not allow it; should he lose consciousness, he will retaliate when and if he recovers.

You cannot expect the White House to exhibit any regard for the health of others.  The president knowingly exposed his wife, his adult children, his staff, his donors, and his supporters in the Cleveland debate hall.   He refused and forbade the most basic safety precautions in the close quarters of the West Wing and on Air Force One, except for testing, which was intended to protect him personally.   On Tuesday, Trump was on the debate stage mocking former Vice President Joe Biden for wearing face masks; as the positive tests came in, he did not bother to inform Biden or his team that Trump had exposed him to the coronavirus.   Until we know the date of Trump’s last negative COVID-19 test, we can only guess at the number of people he exposed.   By sticking to an aggressive travel schedule with in-person gatherings while eschewing even minimal safeguards, Trump has carried the risk of disease across the country.

You cannot expect Trump to gain any wisdom, empathy, or compassion for others.   Throughout the pandemic, Trump has disdained the hardships suffered by sick and dying Americans, by their families and neighbors, by those who have lost jobs and homes.  When NBC’s Peter Alexander asked Trump on March 20 what the president would say to Americans feeling fear because of the disease, he upbraided Alexander: “I’d say you are a terrible reporter.”  

When Republican Senator Mitt Romney self-isolated because he had been exposed to COVID-19 by the negligent selfishness of Senator Rand Paul, Trump sarcastically said to reporters, “Oh, that’s too bad.”   It’s a consistent pattern for Trump; on October 2, 2016, four years ago to the day of Trump’s COVID-positive acknowledgment, Trump cruelly pantomimed onstage Hillary Clinton’s campaign-season bout of pneumonia.

What you can expect is a lot of victimhood and self-pity.  Trump and those around him have always demanded for themselves the decencies that they refuse others.  They will get them, too.   Trump’s opponents will express concern and good wishes—and if they do not, Trump’s allies will complain that those opponents are allowing politics to overwhelm human feeling.   It was only three days ago that Trump on a debate stage derided Biden’s dead son, Beau, and falsely claimed that Biden’s surviving son, Hunter, had been dishonorably discharged from the Army.   The next day, Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr., appeared on Glenn Beck’s show to describe Hunter as a “crackhead.”   Now, though, we will hear a lot about how people are not being respectful enough to a president in his time of illness.

Trump has all his life posed a moral puzzle: What is due in the way of kindness and sympathy to people who have no kindness and sympathy for anyone else?   Should we repay horrifying cruelty in equal measure?   Then we reduce ourselves to their level.   But if we return indecency with the decency due any other person in need, don’t we encourage appalling behavior?   Don’t we prove to them that they belong to some unique bracket of humanity, entitled to kick others when they are writhing on the floor, and then to claim mercy when their own crimes and cruelties cast them upon the floor themselves?

Americans are dead who might have been alive if Trump had met the challenge of COVID-19 with care and responsibility—or if somebody else, literally almost anybody else, had been president instead.   Millions are out of work, in danger of losing their homes, living in fear. Tens of millions of young people have suffered disruption to their education, which will follow them through life.   The pandemic was not Trump’s fault, but at every turn, he made things worse than they had to be—because at every turn, he cared only for himself, never for the country.   And now he will care only for himself again.

Trump should never have been allowed anywhere near any public office.   Wish him well, but recognize that his deformed spirit will never be well—and that nothing can be well for the country under his leadership.

 

David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy (2020).    In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

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I guess this is the sign of a true 'stable genius'.  Declaring that he had to get sick to prove himself.  As is mentioned, with the lies that come from the White House, we won't know the true extent of his illness, or that of the 20+ and counting staffers and family around him that he has been a 'super spreader' to.  If only the average American had the same access to healthcare, maybe they would be as confident.  

With over 210,000 deaths in the U.S. and counting, he's only making it worse for the projections of over 350,000 dead by the end of the year.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Highlights are mine for emphasis.

 

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/trump-suggests-virus-act-political-courage-73452023

 

'I had to do it': Trump suggests he got virus as act of political courage

What exactly did President Donald Trump mean when he said Monday, after spending three nights in the hospital dealing with a severe case of COVID-19: "I knew there's danger to it -- but I had to do it."

In a video Trump tweeted soon after returning to the White House Monday evening, he spoke directly to the camera -- without the mask he had just dramatically taken off -- and seemed to argue his getting sick was a necessary risk to show he was a strong leader.

"As your leader, I had to do that," said Trump, flanked by American flags atop the South Portico with the Washington Monument in the distance behind him.

"I knew there's danger to it -- but I had to do it. I stood out front. I led. Nobody that's a leader would not do what I did. And I know there's a risk, there's a danger -- but that's okay," he said.

Trump's language seemed to suggest his contracting COVID-19 -- a disease that has now killed more than 210,000 Americans -- was an act of political courage to help him lead the fight against the virus, not the result of his continued refusal to always wear a mask and social distance throughout the pandemic.

Trump didn't mention any COVID-19 public health guidance in the video.

Instead, seeking to project a triumphant image, he repeatedly told American instead not to let COVID-19 "dominate" them. He sent a tweet with the same message -- "Don't be afraid of Covid -- announcing his departure from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center on Monday.

At least twice since announcing his COVID-19 diagnosis Friday morning, he has required supplemental oxygen -- at the White House Friday and at Walter Reed Saturday -- after dangerous drops in his blood oxygen level.

"I learned so much about coronavirus. And one thing that's for certain: Don't let it dominate you. Don't be afraid of it. You're gonna beat it," Trump said in the video. "We have the best medical equipment. We have the best medicines, all developed recently."

"Don't let it dominate. Don't let it take over your lives. Don't let that happen," Trump continued. "But don't let it dominate your lives. Get out there. Be careful."

Trump did not acknowledge that he has experienced unparalleled medical care few other Americans receive and that the antiviral cocktail he's being treated with has only been issued to fewer than ten people outside of a clinical trial setting.

Trump also claimed in the video, taped four days after testing positive for the virus, "Maybe I'm immune -- I don't know."

The science on whether recovering from COVID-19 confers immunity has not yet been established, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Trump previewed his new political strategy -- that contracting COVID-19 was the best way for him to learn about it -- in another video he tweeted from Walter Reed Sunday, just before he briefly left the hospital in the presidential motorcade to wave to supporters despite still being contagious.

"It's been a very interesting journey. I learned a lot about COVID. I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school. This isn't the, 'Let's read the book school.' And I get it. And I understand it," Trump said. "It's a very interesting thing, and I'm going to be letting you know about it."

But nearly 3 out of every 4 Americans say Trump took failed to take steps necessary to avoid contracting the virus, according to an ABC News/Ipsos poll released Sunday which was conducted on Friday and Saturday, following Trump's positive test early Friday morning.

In two separate questions, an identical 72% said that Trump did not take the "risk of contracting the virus seriously enough," nor "the appropriate precautions when it came to his personal health."

 

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1 hour ago, JDunkin said:

Now come on De-icer, one does have to ask. What was your preferred outcome for Trump when it comes to the virus. Be honest.

Straight up with you.

While I do not wish violence or death on anyone, I had wished trump got sick enough for long enough for him to take the virus seriously.

 

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To think that it was only a week and a half ago that trump's taxes were the headline news. 

Well, it's still ongoing, and he's lost another appeal.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/trump-loses-another-appeal-to-keep-his-taxes-secret-from-manhattan-da/

Trump loses another appeal to keep his taxes secret from Manhattan DA

An appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office could enforce a subpoena for President Trump’s tax returns — the latest defeat in the president’s year-long battle to keep his financial records private.

A three-judge panel for the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the president’s argument that the demand for eight years of his tax returns and other financial records from accounting firm Mazars was overbroad and issued in bad faith.

Attorneys for Trump had argued that DA Cyrus Vance’s probe was limited to hush-money payments made before the 2016 election to porn star Stormy Daniels and other women with whom he allegedly had affairs — and the subpoena exceeds the scope of the inquiry.

But the DA countered that its investigation into the financial dealings of the Trump Organization and affiliated entities is significantly broader in focus — though the office has not disclosed the specifics.

The decision marks the fifth time the courts have ruled against Trump in his bid to block the subpoena.

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Eric Trump Claims his dad Literally saved Christianity!

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/eric-trump-literally-saved-christianity_n_5f7d2355c5b6e5aba0d1d927?ri18n=true&ncid=APPLENEWS00001

 

U.S. NEWS

10/06/2020 23:37 EDT

Eric Trump Claims His Dad 'Literally Saved Christianity'

Just like he's saving Christmas and Thanksgiving.

 

Eric Trump has added a new fake achievement to his dad’s collection. 

He claimed during a radio interview in North Dakota last week that his father, President Donald Trump, “literally saved Christianity.”

“He literally saved Christianity. There’s a full-out war on faith in this country by the other side,” Eric Trump claimed on WZFG-AM on Friday. “I mean, the Democratic Party, the far left, has become the party of the quote-unquote atheist. They want to attack Christianity, they want to close churches, they want to ― they’re totally fine keeping liquor stores open ― but they want to close churches all over the country.”

 

Some Democrats pushed for churches ― along with schools, businesses and other nonessential spaces ― to be shuttered or opened at limited capacity while the deadly COVID-19 pandemic spread across the country. 

The president, whose white evangelical Christian supporters have remained among his most loyal during his time in office, made an empty demand that places of worship be reopened in May. However, he had no power to do so, and the decision ultimately fell to governors and local officials.

Beyond the churches claim, Eric Trump cited no other examples of what exactly Christianity was being attacked by or what Trump did to save it. He claimed Democrats are out to get the religion, even though the vast majority of Democratic lawmakers identify themselves as Christians.

The claim can be tallied up beside the Trump family’s other baseless self-proclaimed achievements, which include saving Christmas and Thanksgiving from the nonexistent “wars” they claim are being waged against the holidays.  

Some Democrats pushed for churches ― along with schools, businesses and other nonessential spaces ― to be shuttered or opened at limited capacity while the deadly COVID-19 pandemic spread across the country. 

The president, whose white evangelical Christian supporters have remained among his most loyal during his time in office, made an empty demand that places of worship be reopened in May. However, he had no power to do so, and the decision ultimately fell to governors and local officials.

Beyond the churches claim, Eric Trump cited no other examples of what exactly Christianity was being attacked by or what Trump did to save it. He claimed Democrats are out to get the religion, even though the vast majority of Democratic lawmakers identify themselves as Christians.

The claim can be tallied up beside the Trump family’s other baseless self-proclaimed achievements, which include saving Christmas and Thanksgiving from the nonexistent “wars” they claim are being waged against the holidays.  

 

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5 hours ago, JDunkin said:

David Frum is part of the Bush dynasty that Trump destroyed. Like the Clinton dynasty, they are bitter. And Frum is the face of the Bush dynasty bitterness. They are the few republicans that refused to get on the new bus and suffer from a similar sort of TDS.

Sorry David. Not interested in reading as I already have loads to read(such as the real reason AC 143 happened) and know your angle.

Funny I thought David Frum was more of a neo-conservative who in 1996 helped organize the "Winds of Change" in YYC which was trying to unite the Reform Party of Canada and the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. I guess he was slightly ahead of his time for suggesting that.

I have been impressed by the following conservatives John Robarts and Bill Davis of Ontario. Peter Lougheed of Alberta and Robert Stanfield of the Federal Party. I should include our favourite "Irish tenor" Brian Mulroney who accomplished a lot in his time.

Sadly there appears to be a harder right turn in politics. Is it xenophobia? Blame the others for the problems? A return to the writings of Julius Streicher of Der Stürmer for a balm for the injured far right??

Regarding AC 143 you  might want to rewrite the ART lessons and simulator scenarios as they are divergent to what you have written about.

 

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7 hours ago, deicer said:

 

By George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson.

The authors have worked for or supported numerous Republican campaigns and administrations. This article was originally published in The New York Times.

Patriotism and the survival of our nation in the face of the crimes, corruption and corrosive nature of Donald Trump are a higher calling than mere politics. As Americans, we must stem the damage he and his followers are doing to the rule of law, the Constitution and the American character.

That’s why we are announcing the Lincoln Project, an effort to highlight our country’s story and values, and its people’s sacrifices and obligations. This effort transcends partisanship and is dedicated to nothing less than preservation of the principles that so many have fought for, on battlefields far from home and within their own communities.

This effort asks all Americans of all places, creeds and ways of life to join in the seminal task of our generation: restoring to this nation leadership and governance that respects the rule of law, recognizes the dignity of all people and defends the Constitution and American values at home and abroad.

Over these next 11 months, our efforts will be dedicated to defeating President Trump and Trumpism at the ballot box and to elect those patriots who will hold the line. We do not undertake this task lightly, nor from ideological preference. We have been, and remain, broadly conservative (or classically liberal) in our politics and outlooks. Our many policy differences with national Democrats remain, but our shared fidelity to the Constitution dictates a common effort.

The 2020 general election, by every indication, will be about persuasion, with turnout expected to be at record highs. Our efforts are aimed at persuading enough disaffected conservatives, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents in swing states and districts to help ensure a victory in the Electoral College and majorities that don’t enable and abet Trump’s violations of the constitution; even if that means Democrat control of the Senate and expansion of the Democratic majority in the House.

The American presidency transcends the individuals who occupy the Oval Office. Their personality becomes part of our national character. Their actions become our actions, for which we all share responsibility. Their willingness to act in accordance with the law and our tradition dictate how current and future leaders will act. Their commitment to order, civility and decency are reflected in American society.

Mr. Trump fails to meet the bar for this commitment. He has neither the moral compass nor the temperament to serve. His vision is limited to what immediately faces him — the problems and risks he chronically brings upon himself and for which others, from countless contractors and companies to the American people, ultimately bear the heaviest burden.

But this president’s actions are possible only with the craven acquiescence of congressional Republicans. They have done no less than abdicate their Article I responsibilities.

Indeed, national Republicans have done far worse than simply march along to Mr. Trump’s beat. Their defense of him is imbued with an ugliness, a meanness and a willingness to attack and slander those who have shed blood for our country, who have dedicated their lives and careers to its defense and its security, and whose job is to preserve the nation’s status as a beacon of hope.

Congressional Republicans have embraced and copied Mr. Trump’s cruelty and defended and even adopted his corruption. Mr. Trump and his enablers have abandoned conservatism and longstanding Republican principles and replaced it with Trumpism, an empty faith led by a bogus prophet. In a recent survey, a majority of Republican voters reported that they consider Mr. Trump a better president than Lincoln.

Mr. Trump and his fellow travelers daily undermine the proposition we as a people have a responsibility and an obligation to continually bend the arc of history toward justice. They mock our belief in America as something more meaningful than lines on a map.

Our peril far outstrips any past differences: It has arrived at our collective doorstep, and we believe there is no other choice. We sincerely hope, but are not optimistic, that some of those Republicans charged with sitting as jurors in a likely Senate impeachment trial will do likewise.

American men and women stand ready around the globe to defend us and our way of life. We must do right by them and ensure that the country for which they daily don their uniform deserves their protection and their sacrifice.

We are reminded of Dan Sickles, an incompetent 19th-century New York politician. On July 2, 1863, his blundering nearly ended the United States.

(Sickles’s greatest previous achievement had been fatally shooting his wife’s lover across the street from the White House and getting himself elected to Congress. Even his most fervent admirers could not have imagined that one day, far in the future, another incompetent New York politician, a president, would lay claim to that legacy by saying he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.)

On that day in Pennsylvania, Sickles was a major general commanding the Union Army’s III Corps at the Battle of Gettysburg, and his incompetence wrought chaos and danger. The Confederate Army took advantage, and turned the Union line. Had the rebel soldiers broken through, the continent would have been divided: Free and slave, democratic and authoritarian.

Another Union general, Winfield Scott Hancock, had only minutes to reinforce the line. America, the nation, the ideal, hung in the balance. Amid the fury of battle, he found the First Minnesota Volunteers. They were immigrants. Many didn’t speak English. They were the very people the Know Nothings tried to keep out of the country.

They charged, and many of them fell, suffering a staggeringly high casualty rate. They held the line. They saved the Union. Four months later, Lincoln stood on that field of slaughter and said, “It is left to us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.”

We look to Lincoln as our guide and inspiration. He understood the necessity of not just saving the Union, but also of knitting the nation back together spiritually as well as politically. But those wounds can be bound up only once the threat has been defeated. So, too, will our country have to knit itself back together after the scourge of Trumpism has been overcome.

George T. Conway III is an attorney in New York. Steve Schmidt is a Republican political strategist who worked for President George W. Bush, Senator John McCain and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. John Weaver is a Republican strategist who worked for President George H.W. Bush, Senator John McCain and Gov. John Kasich. Rick Wilson is a Republican media consultant and author of “Everything Trump Touches Dies” and the forthcoming “Running Against the Devil: A Plot to Save America From Trump and Democrats From Themselves.”

This article was originally published in The New York Times.

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