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4 hours ago, JDunkin said:

Once again, you lose credibility with your Russian stuff which is now putting FBI agents in jail(with possibly more to come.

You will soon come to the conclusion like the rest of have. Trying to reason with Deicer is like trying to explain how the colour 7 smells

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4 hours ago, JDunkin said:

One could easily find similar cronyism on both sides. Not nearly enough to vote against Trump because the same thing happens on both sides.

 

I strongly support voting based on the most important of things: POLICY.

If it was so easy, they why with the hyper-partisanship going on currently has nobody come out and pointed fingers at Obama for doing the same?  They do with everything else.

 

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4 hours ago, JDunkin said:

Once again, you lose credibility with your Russian stuff which is now putting FBI agents in jail(with possibly more to come.

Is it a surprise to see a gaffe like this. No, we see it in the media all the tine when they show a 737 instead of an Embraer, etc, etc, etc.

Vote based on policy.

If you wish to make it about policy.  Here is a list of trump policy prior to the election in 2016.

https://www.politiplatform.com/trump

How many of those 'policies' listed have been accomplished?  How many have been altered?  

What benefit has he brought to the 'average' American?

Stock market is doing great though....

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Israel, 2 Gulf nations seal new accords at White House ceremony, angering Palestinians

 

Trump says inroads being made on potential deals between Israel, other countries

The Associated Press · Posted: Sep 15, 2020 2:50 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago
 
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From left to right, Bahraini Foreign Minister Abdullatif Al Zayani, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, U.S. President Donald Trump and U.A.E. Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan participate Tuesday in the signing of the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and some of its Middle East neighbours. (Tom Brenner/Reuters)

Declaring it "the dawn of a new Middle East," U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed historic diplomatic pacts with Israel and two Gulf Arab nations that he hopes will lead to a new order in the Mideast and cast him as a peacemaker at the height of his re-election campaign.

Hundreds of people massed on the sun-washed South Lawn of the White House to witness the signing of agreements between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. The bilateral agreements formalize the normalization of the Jewish state's already thawing relations with the two Arab nations, in line with their common opposition to Iran and its aggression in the region.

 

"We're here this afternoon to change the course of history," Trump said from a balcony overlooking the South Lawn. "After decades of division and conflict, we mark the dawn of a new Middle East."

The agreements do not address the decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict. While the U.A.E., Bahrain and other Arab countries support the Palestinians, the Trump administration has persuaded the two countries not to let that conflict keep them from having normal relations with Israel.

Trump's political backers are looking for the agreements to boost his standing as a statesman with just seven weeks to go before the Nov. 3 election. Until now, foreign policy has not had a major role in a campaign dominated by the coronavirus, racial issues and the economy. The pandemic was in the backdrop of the White House ceremony, where there was no physical distancing and most guests didn't wear masks.

The agreements won't end active wars, but supporters believe they could pave the way for a broader Arab-Israeli rapprochement after decades of enmity and only two previous peace deals. Skeptics, including many longtime Mideast analysts and former officials, have expressed doubts about their impact and lamented that they ignore the Palestinians, who have rejected them as a stab in the back by fellow Arabs.

During the ceremony, Emirati Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the brother of Abu Dhabi's powerful crown prince, thanked Israel for "halting the annexation of Palestinian territories," although Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that Israel has only temporarily suspended its plans to annex West Bank settlements.

"Today, we are already witnessing a change in the heart of the Middle East — a change that will send hope around the world," Al Nahyan said.

Even the harshest critics have allowed that the agreements could usher in a major shift in the region should other Arab nations, particularly Saudi Arabia, follow suit, with implications for Iran, Syria and Lebanon. Other Arab countries believed to be close to recognizing Israel include Oman, Sudan and Morocco.

"We are very down the road with about five different countries," Trump told reporters before the ceremony.

 
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Palestinians burn pictures of U.S. President Donald Trump, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Bahrain's King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa and and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan during a protest Tuesday in Gaza. (Khalil Hamra/The Associated Press)

In addition to the bilateral agreements signed by Israel, the U.A.E. and Bahrain, all three are signing a document dubbed the Abraham Accords after the patriarch of the world's three major monotheistic religions.

"This day is a pivot of history," Netanyahu said. "It heralds a new dawn of peace."

"Despite the many challenges and hardships that we all face — despite all that, let us pause a moment to appreciate this remarkable day."

The Palestinians have not embraced the U.S. vision. Palestinian activists held small demonstrations Tuesday in the West Bank and in Gaza, where they trampled and set fire to pictures of Trump, Netanyahu and the leaders of the U.A.E. and Bahrain.

Israel concerned about F-35 sales

Even in Israel, where the accords have received widespread acclaim, there is concern they might result in U.S. sales of sophisticated weaponry to the U.A.E. and Bahrain, thus potentially upsetting Israel's qualitative military edge in the region.

Trump said he is OK with selling military aircraft to the U.A.E.. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also welcomed the agreements but said she wants to learn details, specifically what the Trump administration has told the U.A.E. about buying American-made F-35 aircraft and about Israel agreeing to freeze efforts to annex portions of the West Bank.

Bahraini Foreign Minister Abdullatif Al Zayani said Bahrain would stand with the Palestinians. "Today is a truly historic occasion," he said. "A moment for hope and opportunity."

And while the U.A.E. and Bahrain have a history of suppressing dissent and critical public opinion, there have been indications that the agreements are not nearly as popular or well received as in Israel. Neither country sent its head of state or government to sign the deals with Netanyahu.

Bahrain's largest Shia-dominated opposition group, Al-Wefaq, which the government ordered dissolved in 2016 amid a years-long crackdown on dissent, said there is widespread rejection of normalization. Al-Wefaq said in a statement that it joins other Bahrainis who reject the agreement to normalize ties with the "Zionist entity," and criticized the government for crushing the public's ability to express opinions "to obscure the extent of discontent" at normalization.

The ceremony follows months of intricate diplomacy headed by Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, and the president's envoy for international negotiations, Avi Berkowitz. On Aug. 13, the Israel-U.A.E. deal was announced. That was followed by the first direct commercial flight between the countries, and then the Sept. 11 announcement of the Bahrain-Israel agreement.

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It is as if Jared Kushner was a lawyer who set out to arrange a divorce between a couple, “Mrs. Israel” and “Mr. Palestine.” In the process, though, Mr. Kushner discovered that Mrs. Israel and Mr. Palestine were so incompatible that they couldn’t even sit in a room together, let alone agree on his plan for separation.

But along the way, Mr. Kushner discovered something intriguing: Mrs. Israel was having an affair with Mr. Emirates, who was fleeing an abusive relationship with Ms. Iran.

So, Mr. Kushner stopped trying to arrange a divorce between Mr. Palestine and Mrs. Israel and seized instead on the mutual interest of Mrs. Israel and Mr. Emirates to marry — not to mention the self-interest of President Trump to serve as the “justice of the peace” who would officiate on the White House lawn in the midst of a presidential campaign.

They are guilty of a thousand sins — but this deal isn’t one of them.

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9 hours ago, deicer said:

If you wish to make it about policy.  Here is a list of trump policy prior to the election in 2016.

https://www.politiplatform.com/trump

How many of those 'policies' listed have been accomplished?  How many have been altered?  

What benefit has he brought to the 'average' American?

Stock market is doing great though....

Another fraud right here on the forum. One has to assume that what you are saying is that people should not vote for Trump because he didn't follow through on lots of promises, or that he broke promises. How many politicians have not kept promises. Well, lets look at Trump versus Obama at these to links:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/?ruling=true

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

So Trump is at 50 promises broken after 1 term(or almost) while Obama broke 125 promises after two terms. Obama broke more promises per year in power than Trump. And seeing as Biden was on the team, I strongly suggest that people drop their support for Biden and vote for the man who breaks less promises.

 

By the way, millions of average Americans have 401K's or pension plans invested in the stock market. You may not care about it but Trump and those shareholders such as teachers, public servants, etc, etc do.

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It is easy to say that promises weren't kept, however when you look at the damage that trump has done with his policies, it's not as advantageous for the average American what he has done.

As for the stock market, it has been covered numerous times in this thread, but here it is once again.  

There is a difference between owning a few stocks, and controlling the market.  trump policies work for those who control the market.

https://financialpost.com/investing/how-americas-1-came-to-dominate-stock-ownership

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america

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8 hours ago, JDunkin said:

Another fraud right here on the forum. One has to assume that what you are saying is that people should not vote for Trump because he didn't follow through on lots of promises, or that he broke promises. How many politicians have not kept promises. Well, lets look at Trump versus Obama at these to links:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/?ruling=true

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

So Trump is at 50 promises broken after 1 term(or almost) while Obama broke 125 promises after two terms. Obama broke more promises per year in power than Trump. And seeing as Biden was on the team, I strongly suggest that people drop their support for Biden and vote for the man who breaks less promises.

 

By the way, millions of average Americans have 401K's or pension plans invested in the stock market. You may not care about it but Trump and those shareholders such as teachers, public servants, etc, etc do.

who stands to gain the most? Read between the bloody lines.  dig a little deeper.  Trump and his band of misfits do not care about anyone but the elite and themselves.

  

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4 hours ago, deicer said:

It is easy to say that promises weren't kept, however when you look at the damage that trump has done with his policies, it's not as advantageous for the average American what he has done.

As for the stock market, it has been covered numerous times in this thread, but here it is once again.  

There is a difference between owning a few stocks, and controlling the market.  trump policies work for those who control the market.

https://financialpost.com/investing/how-americas-1-came-to-dominate-stock-ownership

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america

Gotta like that folks. First he posts a link to show us why people shouldn't vote for Trump based on promises not kept and I show that Obama was even worse for broken promises. Now the subject is quickly change to promises that were kept. Well the promises that were kept were the promises that he got voted in to do.

Not advantageous to the American worker? How many jobs were created just like he said would happen. But you can read here about whether it was Obama or Trump. This article sounds credible because it isn't blind accolades and is quick to criticize some aspects but the overall message is clear. Trump improved the economy despite some bad moves while Obama was mostly jus bad moves.

https://www.hoover.org/research/not-obamas-economy

 

Got some news for you. Getting the unemployment rate to record lows is good for the American worker. And when you look at our field which is pilots, there was not only a boom but big pay raises.

And by the way, a lot of Americans own a few stocks and it may be news to you but their few stocks are very important to them even of it means little to you.

By the way, who controls the market?

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2 hours ago, boestar said:

who stands to gain the most? Read between the bloody lines.  dig a little deeper.  Trump and his band of misfits do not care about anyone but the elite and themselves.

  

Uh huh. I could say the same about Dems with no evidence. Who are the elite. Liberals like all the owners of the high tech companies and Hollywood stars. Or is it the working class people in factories and farmers and oil workers, etc, etc that actually voted en masse for him. Admittedly, Trump does call those rally-goers as the Elite.

 

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The plot thickens...pay back time :075:

Senate Homeland Security Committee authorizes subpoenas for testimony from Obama officials as part of Russia probe

Includes John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey

 

The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and other Obama administration officials as part of its broad review into the origins of the Russia investigation.The committee on Wednesday held a business meeting to authorize committee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., to issue notices for taking depositions, subpoenas, for records, and subpoenas for testimony to individuals relating to the panel’s “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation, the Justice Department inspector general’s review of that investigation, and the “unmasking” of U.S. persons affiliated with the 2016 Trump campaign, transition team and the Trump administration.

JOHNSON SUBPOENAS FBI AS PART OF REVIEW INTO ORIGINS OF THE RUSSIA PROBE

The committee voted 8-6 to authorize the subpoenas.

The committee also authorized subpoenas for Sidney Blumenthal, former Obama chief of staff Denis McDonough, former FBI counsel Lisa Page, former FBI agent Joe Pientka, former ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, former FBI director of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, former White House national security adviser Susan Rice, former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith – who pleaded guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham's review of the investigation into links between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign – among others.

The committee further authorized subpoenas for “the production of all records” related to the FBI’s original Russia investigation and the Department of Justice Inspector General’s probe, as well as the process of “unmasking” for James Baker, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, DOJ official Bruce Ohr, FBI case agent Steven Somma, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Teftt, former deputy assistant attorney general Tashina Gauhar; and Stefan Halper.

The committee, earlier this summer, authorized subpoenas for the majority of the individuals that were named. But on Wednesday, after a back-and-forth between Johnson and the top Democrat on the panel, the committee gave the final go ahead, leaving authority on timing and scheduling of depositions and issuance of subpoenas up to the chairman.

LIST OF OFFICIALS WHO SOUGHT TO UNMASK FLYNN RELEASED: BIDEN, COMEY, OBAMA CHIEF OF STAFF AMONG THEM

Halper, a Cambridge University professor who reportedly is deeply connected with British and American intelligence agencies, has been widely reported as a confidential source for the FBI during the bureau’s original investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Last year, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz was reviewing Halper’s work during the Russia probe, as well as his work with the FBI prior to the start of that investigation.

During the 2016 campaign, Halper contacted several members of the Trump campaign, including former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos and former aide Carter Page. Page also was the subject of several Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants during the campaign

The committee also authorized a subpoena for James Baker, the director of the Office of Net Assessment at the Defense Department. That office awarded government contracts to Halper, including one in September 2015.

Last month, Johnson issued the panel’s first subpoena as part of the committee’s Russia review to the FBI, demanding that the bureau produce “all records related to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.”

"This includes, but is not limited to, all records provided or made available to the Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Justice for its review," the subpoena states, referring to Horowitz's review of abuses related to the FISA warrants.

The subpoena also demands "all records related to requests" to the General Services Administration or the Office of the Inspector General for the GSA for "presidential transition records from November 2016 through December 2017."

In June, the committee voted to give Johnson authority to send subpoenas as part of the panel’s investigation into the origins of the Russia probe and the process of “unmasking.”

The committee authorized subpoenas to the FBI for the production of all records related to the Crossfire Hurricane Investigation — the bureau’s internal code name for the Russia probe, which began in July 2016.

SENATE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE AUTHORIZES SUBPOENAS TO OBAMA OFFICIALS AS PART OF RUSSIA PROBE

The committee also authorized subpoenas to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence for the production of all records related to the process of “unmasking” U.S. persons or entities affiliated “formally or informally” with the Trump campaign, the Trump transition team or the Trump administration from June 2015 through January 2017.

Unmasking occurs after U.S. citizens' conversations are incidentally picked up in conversations with foreign officials who are being monitored by the intelligence community. The U.S. citizens' identities are supposed to be protected if their participation is incidental and no wrongdoing is suspected. However, officials can determine the U.S. citizens' names through a process that is supposed to safeguard their rights.

Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary Committee, in June, also approved a slew of subpoenas for documents and testimony from Obama administration officials involved in the Russia investigation as part of the panel’s review of the origins of that probe.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-homeland-security-committee-authorizes-subpoenas-for-testimony-from-obama-officials-as-part-of-russia-probe?fbclid=IwAR2gJjaMKbF21d8IrUaSTDG_CrgUEaJvBrpN3twoTnU4aI4whso6T-VmgbA

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6 hours ago, deicer said:

Same old fraudulent stuff from the left. Admittedly, I only got to sexual harassments and then reminded myself how all those frauds on the left(and their fake news allies) pretended to be so angry about Trump and Kavanaugh sexual assault accusations but have completely ignored the ones against Biden.

Next.

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21 minutes ago, JDunkin said:

Same old fraudulent stuff from the left. Admittedly, I only got to sexual harassments and then reminded myself how all those frauds on the left(and their fake news allies) pretended to be so angry about Trump and Kavanaugh sexual assault accusations but have completely ignored the ones against Biden.

Next.

The article provides links for each accusation.

If you believe it is fraudulent, the please post verifiable information proving your point.

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2 hours ago, deicer said:

The article provides links for each accusation.

If you believe it is fraudulent, the please post verifiable information proving your point.

The article is calling Trump's sexual harassment(sorry, allegations of harassment) as an atrocity, just like all the lefties do. But we know all of you look the other way when the same happens with Biden. That is the fraud. You pretend you care and say 'We have to listen and believe' yet to ignore Biden's accuser.

As soon as I saw that their supposed atrocities were sexual harassment, I knew it had no credibility. In their eyes, it is only an atrocity if someone from MAGA country does it. If Biden is accused, the woman should shut up and disappear.

Because you are frauds. You don't care and you only believe if it will help you.

I would suggest that you think of the allegations this way and be just as forgiving. I am.

 

 

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So you believe that sexual harrassment and assault aren't an offence?

Out of all of them, let's just look at the latest one.

A DNA sample was obtained from a dress.  If trump is innocent, why wouldn't he be clamouring to provide a sample and exonerate himself?

Such a simple solution.

 

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6 hours ago, deicer said:

So you believe that sexual harrassment and assault aren't an offence?

Out of all of them, let's just look at the latest one.

A DNA sample was obtained from a dress.  If trump is innocent, why wouldn't he be clamouring to provide a sample and exonerate himself?

Such a simple solution.

 

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Gee De-Icer, you sound so concerned like all the other lefties about this latest accusation. I promise to give it as much attention as you and your cohorts gave to Tara Reade. 

Remember, I care just like you do. I guess I just prefer to follow high road method of our moral leaders on the left. Ignore and deny.

Or I tell you what. Lets use your quote with slight modofication, "Out of all of them, let's just look at the LATEST changed to PREVIOUS one".

Typical leftie. Focus on the ones against Trump, ignore those against Biden.

Fraud.

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7 minutes ago, JDunkin said:

Gee De-Icer, you sound so concerned like all the other lefties about this latest accusation. I promise to give it as much attention as you and your cohorts gave to Tara Reade. 

Remember, I care just like you do. I guess I just prefer to follow high road method of our moral leaders on the left. Ignore and deny.

 

Fraud.

I see you are referring to an incident that was investigated and dismissed.  As well, an incident that was beyond the statute of limitations( as the alleged victim even admitted). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation

Timing is everything when you want to smear a candidate isn't it?  Why did she so conveniently come forward when she did?  Who is her backer?

As for trump, it's happening in real time.  DNA needs to be verified.  If he is innocent, why won't he?  He should close the investigation and leave it to the conspiracy theorists.

 

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29 minutes ago, deicer said:

I see you are referring to an incident that was investigated and dismissed.  As well, an incident that was beyond the statute of limitations( as the alleged victim even admitted). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation

Timing is everything when you want to smear a candidate isn't it?  Why did she so conveniently come forward when she did?  Who is her backer?

As for trump, it's happening in real time.  DNA needs to be verified.  If he is innocent, why won't he?  He should close the investigation and leave it to the conspiracy theorists.

 

Yeah, we love whatever investigation is done.

 

I like how Biden wouldn't open up the records to investigate further as seen in the link below.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/02/joe-biden-tara-reade-complaint-229838

"Now there’s a focus on his refusal to commit to opening up his archived papers at the University of Delaware — a trove of documents that critics suspect might house Reade’s complaint. Rather than set the record straight Friday in his first remarks on the subject, Biden might have inadvertently opened a new line of attack on his campaign this fall and provided President Trump — who has famously refused to release his own tax records and has been accused of sexual assault multiple times — with a measure of cover."

 

Isn't so odd how the left demonize Trump for not being open on his taxes to be 'transparent' but when it comes to Biden, he gets another pass from the left.

Why, 

Because they are frauds who pretend to care.

Thanks for showing your concern about Tara Reade. I wonder if she will show up at the debate in the way that all of Bill Clintons sex assault accusers that Hillary demonized showed up to the 2016 debates.

Oh by the way, what evidence ever came up about Kavanaugh's accusers. Haven't seen anything yet. I guess we could ask the lawyer of one of the accusers the Dems were so eager to believe, but Avenetti is in jail now(and his CNN career is over).

 

This folks is why I keep showing what a bunch of frauds they are. Vote on policy.

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22 minutes ago, deicer said:

I see you are referring to an incident that was investigated and dismissed.  As well, an incident that was beyond the statute of limitations( as the alleged victim even admitted). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation

Timing is everything when you want to smear a candidate isn't it?  Why did she so conveniently come forward when she did?  Who is her backer?

As for trump, it's happening in real time.  DNA needs to be verified.  If he is innocent, why won't he?  He should close the investigation and leave it to the conspiracy theorists.

 

I’m not saying your wrong about Trump deicer, I think he is a con and a sleaze and will ultimately Betray his supporters. I think Trump should be accountable for his actions be them good or bad. But I think Biden and Trudeau ought to be to as well.. full stop. It obvious that we are being fed deception and fraud when news and media and people in general scream bloody murder when the opponents are accused but refuse to acknowledge it and or blow off away when one of their own are accused of the exact same. Deicer I suggest to you that I would respect and be influenced by  your position far more if your side would ever display that any of your deeply held convictions mattered a whim when a leftist politician does the exact same thing or worse.. The same goes for the right as they play the same game. If you really [like real life actually care and not just a political game] believe in a principle then clean your own damn backyard with the same passion. That I promise I will respect! The side that starts doing that I will begin to be seriously influenced by. Until I see that it is all a bunch of noise signifying nothing

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3 hours ago, Eddy said:

I’m not saying your wrong about Trump deicer, I think he is a con and a sleaze and will ultimately Betray his supporters. I think Trump should be accountable for his actions be them good or bad. But I think Biden and Trudeau ought to be to as well.. full stop. It obvious that we are being fed deception and fraud when news and media and people in general scream bloody murder when the opponents are accused but refuse to acknowledge it and or blow off away when one of their own are accused of the exact same. Deicer I suggest to you that I would respect and be influenced by  your position far more if your side would ever display that any of your deeply held convictions mattered a whim when a leftist politician does the exact same thing or worse.. The same goes for the right as they play the same game. If you really [like real life actually care and not just a political game] believe in a principle then clean your own damn backyard with the same passion. That I promise I will respect! The side that starts doing that I will begin to be seriously influenced by. Until I see that it is all a bunch of noise signifying nothing

Eddy, 

You have been listening to what I am saying. I am not here to tell you that Trump is not some of the things that he has been accused of. It is just that the other side is just as bad and pretend they are not.

That is why I say, ignore the accusations and look at the policies. If you like Green New Deal, Biden is your guy. If you think it is an economic disaster based on a bunch of BS, then Trump is your guy. People shopuld have learned long ago that both sides are sleazeballs. Look at Trudeau(no sexual harassments, modest debt, no corruption, no racist actions) and look what you got. 

Vote based on policy.

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3 hours ago, JDunkin said:

Yeah, we love whatever investigation is done.

 

I like how Biden wouldn't open up the records to investigate further as seen in the link below.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/02/joe-biden-tara-reade-complaint-229838

"Now there’s a focus on his refusal to commit to opening up his archived papers at the University of Delaware — a trove of documents that critics suspect might house Reade’s complaint. Rather than set the record straight Friday in his first remarks on the subject, Biden might have inadvertently opened a new line of attack on his campaign this fall and provided President Trump — who has famously refused to release his own tax records and has been accused of sexual assault multiple times — with a measure of cover."

 

Isn't so odd how the left demonize Trump for not being open on his taxes to be 'transparent' but when it comes to Biden, he gets another pass from the left.

Why, 

Because they are frauds who pretend to care.

Thanks for showing your concern about Tara Reade. I wonder if she will show up at the debate in the way that all of Bill Clintons sex assault accusers that Hillary demonized showed up to the 2016 debates.

Oh by the way, what evidence ever came up about Kavanaugh's accusers. Haven't seen anything yet. I guess we could ask the lawyer of one of the accusers the Dems were so eager to believe, but Avenetti is in jail now(and his CNN career is over).

 

This folks is why I keep showing what a bunch of frauds they are. Vote on policy.

Where this accusation by Reade comes off as a hatchet job is in this passage in the Politico article:

Reade, who has publicly acknowledged that at the time of the alleged incident she didn’t report it as an assault, says she no longer has a copy of the harassment claim.

“She said she filed a report. She has her employment records still,” a frustrated Biden said Friday.

“She said she filed a report with the ... United States Senate at the time. If a report was ever filed, it was filed there, period,” he said.

Five of Biden’s former staffers who worked with Reade disputed her account in interviews with POLITICO. They say they have no recollection of Reade filing or making any complaint or being pressured to quit her job over any incident.

So having said that, why can't she request it out of her own records held by the Senate?  It would be on her record of employment, would it not?  And why would the Senate or the Archives withhold her papers from her?  Unless they didn't exist?

This passage explains why the trump team would want to push this...

“The idea that they would all be made public while I was running for public office — they could be really taken out of context,” Biden said, bemoaning it would “be fodder in a campaign.”

So again, I ask, all these years, after the fact, why did she come forward?  

trump has had verified claims against him, the payoff cheques were made public.  This was just an attempt to did dirt.

As well, what Biden did with his records is stated as being standard amongst politicians.  So because it is him, it is different?

So if the right can't find any legitimate 'dirt' on Biden, as is shown by even how the claims against his son were shown to be false, which side would you trust?  Biden who they can't find dirt on, or trump who is actively involved in court cases to hide his records and the truth.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, deicer said:

I see you are referring to an incident that was investigated and dismissed.  As well, an incident that was beyond the statute of limitations( as the alleged victim even admitted). 

Timing is everything when you want to smear a candidate isn't it?  Why did she so conveniently come forward when she did?  Who is her backer?

 

 

Once again the fraud of double standards. What does statute of limitations have to do when it comes to the importance of moral character, as the left says they think is so important. I mean they try to destroy Kavanaugh based on something in his high school days.

You and your left wing supporters insisted on how we have to believe any women but now you want to know who is Tara Reade's backer. What if Trump or Kavanaugh said that during the senate confirmation hearing of Blasey-Ford. Are you really so blind to your total hypocrisy. 

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