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5 hours ago, Jaydee said:

You’d think American democracy is on its last legs if you read the US press. The largely liberal media hate the man in the White House more than anyone since Richard Nixon. Well, OK, since the last Republican president. But they really hate this guy.“

This is just the beginning.

The Democratic Party is likely to experience a civil war as moderates support Mike and progressives start to resent the efforts to take down Bernie. CNN is already onside with the old guard and calling him a liar, sexist etc. and Hillary has been fully engaged for a while now too. I see it as a battle between libertarians and socialists....  it comes from not cutting the crazy left adrift at the first sign of madness. 

As the nominee, Bernie is absolutely unelectable and the old guard knows it. In addition, their inability to read a calendar will result in a steady stream of bad news released at just the right time. All of it self-inflicted IMO. 

 The Democratic party of today is completely unrecognizable to those who previously supported it (just like the liberals). I bet lots of the old guard would rather see 4 more years of Trump than let Bernie take the reins. 

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Now that Trump has taken over the judiciary, he holds two thirds of the branches of power.

Soon enough he will be Putin's equal.

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2 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

The Democratic party of today is completely unrecognizable to those who previously supported it (just like the liberals). I bet lots of the old guard would rather see 4 more years of Trump than let Bernie take the reins.

Very much like Canada’s Liberals,  but after watching Canadians re-elect Trudeau in ANY capacity, I now rule out nothing when it comes to sane choices by Canadian voters.

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The far left is beginning to get a taste of the media spin it previously exploited and benefitted from..... obvious, targeted propaganda often backfires.

Despite the fact that they have now labelled him a "Nazi," I'm rooting for Bernie now and hope it's him running in Nov. Imagine a person less qualified to hold the title of "sexist Nazi" and you can begin to see the potential for strife in the DNC....

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-just-as-impeachment-helped-trump-media-attacks-are-helping-bernie-sanders

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9 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

 I'm rooting for Bernie now and hope it's him running in Nov.

Guarantees a Trump win.

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16 hours ago, deicer said:

For those who are against the 'looney left'...

Not at all... they are instrumental in assuring four more years for Trump. In fact, were it not for the loons, he would likely lose. 

So I say bring em on and the louder they squawk and the more they squawk the better.

Note that - "The White House hopefuls are trying to blunt Bloomberg, who gained attention by flooding the national airwaves with hundreds of millions of dollars in advertisements and is on the verge of being admitted into next week’s presidential debate."

If anyone represents what democrat's loudly vilify it would have to be Mike Bloomberg; we should now hear NO MORE about the evil 1% and certainly NO MORE about how Republicans enable them. Democratic hypocrisy can now be stored in 45 gallon drums, carried in pails, bottled in jars, and poured on Corn Flakes.

To achieve the full, transparent, and patronizing effect, you have to say this with a affected southern drawl while pretending ya aint a millionaire....

"We aint no ways tired;" and

"I'm gonna get me a beer" 

Y'all come getcha some.

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February 13, 2020

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Since the Senate acquitted him of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, Trump seems to feel untouchable, and he is trying to consolidate his power.

On his calendar today was that New York Governor Andrew Cuomo was to meet with him at the White House, and Trump used the occasion to threaten the governor. Before the meeting, Trump tweeted that Cuomo “must understand that National Security far exceeds politics. New York must stop all of its unnecessary lawsuits & harassment, start cleaning itself up, and lowering taxes. Build relationships, but don’t bring Fredo!”

This is alarming.

Trump is referring here to two things: the fact that his administration has stopped New York’s ability to participate in the Global Entry and other programs available to international travelers on the one hand; and New York’s many lawsuits against Trump and his businesses, on the other. The New York state attorney general Letitia James has subpoenaed Trump’s financial records from Deutsche Bank, the only bank willing to lend to him after his many bankruptcies, an institution linked to money laundering. She has just won a $2 million settlement from his disbanded “charitable foundation” for misusing funds, and is also looking into Trump Organization business practices. Trump is clearly suggesting that he will retaliate against New Yorkers unless its officials back off.

This is precisely what the House impeachment managers warned of in their impeachment trial brief: “An acquittal would… provide license to President Trump and his successors to use taxpayer dollars for personal political ends ... Presidents could also hold hostage federal funds earmarked for States — such as money for natural disasters, highways, and healthcare — unless and until State officials perform personal political favors,” and the House impeachment managers called it out. Jerrold Nadler, chair of the House Judiciary Committee tweeted: “Dear @SenateGOP, This is what another quid pro quo by the President of the United States looks like.”

Also today, the fallout continued from Attorney General William Barr’s interference in the sentencing recommendations for Trump’s associate and self-proclaimed dirty trickster Roger Stone. The outcry against this politicization of the Department of Justice has increased pressure on the administration. Jessie Liu was the US attorney who oversaw Roger Stone’s prosecution. She left for the Treasury Department with the promise of a Senate-confirmed position after being replaced by one of Barr’s proteges, Timothy Shea. But the White House yanked her nomination for the position of under secretary for terrorism and financial crimes on Wednesday. Today we learned that she has resigned from the Treasury Department, effective last night.

In the wake of this crisis, Trump’s former Chief of Staff, General John Kelly, let loose on the president in a speech at Drew University in New Jersey. He defended Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who testified about the content of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky: “We teach them, Don’t follow an illegal order. And if you’re ever given one, you’ll raise it to whoever gives it to you that this is an illegal order, and then tell your boss,” he said, indicating that Trump’s phone call with Zelensky undercut U.S. policy and national security. In a comment reflecting that people are moving away from association with Trump, Kelly suggested that he had worked for the president only to protect the country.

Piling on, today the Senate, in a bipartisan vote, agreed to limit the president’s ability to go to war with Iran without congressional approval. Despite Trump’s tweet saying “We are doing very well with Iran and this is not the time to show weakness. If my hands were tied, Iran would have a field day. Sends a very bad signal. The Democrats are only doing this as an attempt to embarrass the Republican Party”— the vote was not even particularly close, 55-45.

Barr seems fully aware of how damaging this event has been to the credibility of both the Department of Justice and to himself. He did an interview today with ABC News, in which he appeared to lambast the president for his tweets about Stone’s sentencing. He said that Trump “has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case,” (an interesting hedge), but that his tweets made it “impossible for me to do my job.” He said “I’m not going to be bullied or influenced by anybody.”

It sounded noble, but Barr’s interview was clearly damage control.

Trump gave away the game when White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham, who has yet to hold a press conference, by the way, although she’s been on the job since July 1 of last year, said Trump has "full faith and confidence in Attorney General Barr to do his job and uphold the law" and he "wasn’t bothered by the comments at all and he has the right, just like any American citizen, to publicly offer his opinions."

Watch what people do, not what they say. If Barr were really interested in rebuking the president, he could’ve done so forcefully, in private. So why a sudden interview when he has been carrying water for Trump since he took office, as I outlined last night? He and the White House are clearly concerned about how much pushback this Interference into the Stone sentencing recommendation has attracted.

Trump did not stop, though, and went after the forewoman of the jury that found Stone guilty, tweeting: “Now it looks like the fore person in the jury, in the Roger Stone case, had significant bias. Add that to everything else, and this is not looking good for the 'Justice' Department." The Fox News Channel began to claim that the forewoman was an anti-Trump Democratic activist. And tonight, on his show on the Fox News Channel, personality Tucker Carlson revealed the Twitter handle of that forewoman, along with the portrait on that Twitter bio, insisting that “this was not a neutral person, this is not a person capable of judging this trial fairly.” He claimed that “Roger Stone is facing life in prison because an Obama-appointed judge allowed this woman to run the jury.”

Right-wing media personalities are ramping up calls for Trump to pardon Stone. On the Fox News Channel, Newt Gingrich complained about the prosecution of Stone when there had been “no action” against Hillary Clinton and her staff or against the FBI agents associated with the Mueller investigation. Jesse Watters insisted that Stone’s conviction was the result of a “hoax investigation” and proves that America is a “banana republic.”

The attempt to convince viewers that America is divided and collapsing is the same message Russian propaganda is spreading. And, in Kansas City, Missouri, you can hear the Russian message directly from Russian state media. There, Radio Sputnik has begun broadcasting their message of American decline on a local right-wing radio channel whose owner liked both their message and their money. “They are paying for airtime and I make a percentage,” the man who brokered the deal said in an interview.

The Russians are still attacking America, and some of us appear to be welcoming them. It is vital to remember that Stone was apparently the link between the Trump campaign and the Russians feeding hacked emails to Wikileaks. Stone has plenty of information Trump does not want made public. Trump's determination to protect Stone might be seen as… a quid pro quo.

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22 hours ago, deicer said:

With the acquittal, the bold moves against democracy ramp up...

Yup, more investigations of Trump are pending because the others have turned out so well, and (if you can believe it) Bernie is a sexist Nazi....

Fools learn by experience but the wise profit by the experience of others. Political violence here was previously viewed as something that only happened over there.  If experience is valid, you are likely to see lots more of this.... even within the ranks of the DNC as Bernie Bros begin to resent the manipulations of the old guard. By splitting the "moderate" vote, there is a real chance Bernie could win this "by accident" and the good old boys know it.

Watch the video, LOL, violence often seems to be the domain of chubby folks who don't actually know how to fight, once the handcuffs come out, it's surprising how many start to cry: 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-wreck-college-republicans-info-table-spit-on-us-flag-at-uc-santa-cruz-video-shows

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22 hours ago, deicer said:

This is alarming.

I'm not going to bother unpacking the whole thing but I'm left with a couple of questions and they only require a yes/no response.

 Since I find the  suspension of federal law in sanctuary cities to be alarming, do you fear this portends the use of sanctuary status as a vehicle for ignoring other laws (say gun control measures, access to abortion or environmental protections), and would you support the implementation of sanctuary status if it provided an exemption for those issues (or other things you might not like)? 

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Well we are on our way to the Democratic Republic of North American States.  Let the secession begin

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23 hours ago, boestar said:

Well we are on our way to the Democratic Republic of North American States.

And on the way to the type of election violence people here normally associate with Africa.

The way things are going, there is likely to be small scale battle take place within the ranks of the DNC as well if Bernie continues to be systemically abused at every turn. This is the danger of not cutting the fringes adrift.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/startling-threats-and-violence-against-gop-voters-part-of-a-pattern

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19 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

And on the way to the type of election violence people here normally associate with Africa.

The way things are going, there is likely to be small scale battle take place within the ranks of the DNC as well if Bernie continues to be systemically abused at every turn. This is the danger of not cutting the fringes adrift.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/startling-threats-and-violence-against-gop-voters-part-of-a-pattern

a couple of years ago, on here, I stated that within a decade we will see the second American Revolution.  We are creeping ever closer.

 

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1 hour ago, boestar said:

a couple of years ago, on here, I stated that within a decade we will see the second American Revolution.  We are creeping ever closer.

 

I think you're right. 

How easy is it to set the crazy right and crazy left adrift? Logically, being tolerant needs to have limits and toleration of the fringe's collective madness is what's fuelling this.

It's pretty simple, if you like what you see in California and Toronto then stay the course and enjoy the show.

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Old guard Democrats are starting to pivot and have turned against Bernie; the liberal media has been tasked accordingly and will apply the same techniques as they have against Trump, the Bernie Bros will soon be screaming fake news at the top of their lungs.... because it is.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/sanders-campaign-manager-faiz-shakir-msnbc

Progressives aren't going to like the taste of their own medicine anymore than they will like hearing more revelations about Bloomberg. A small scale civil war is brewing between opposing camps. Since neither side possesses a shred of tactical acumen or the ability to read a calendar it's sure to be fun to watch.

When they are not eating their own young, their rallying cry against the economy will be "we had full employment with slavery too."

We are now testing the outer limits of how much is way past way too much.... you either have the rudder authority you need or you don't.

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/etihad-airways-landing-heathrow-airport-storm-dennis

Caution, moderation, discretion and good headwork are a thing of the past and all of it can be traced back to helmet laws. Great civilizations are never murdered, they forget about history and take their own lives. As an aside, and by way of example, South Africa has completely forgotten about the lesson on offer from Zimbabwe.... it was once the breadbasket of Africa and now it's a net importer of food aid and people are starving.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-19/trump-wants-pompeo-to-study-killing-of-farmers/10158114

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Being as today is the third Wednesday of the month I checked the media bias of your link. Here it is:

Overall, we rate Occupy Democrats Questionable due to extreme left wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies as well the publication of fake news as evidence by numerous failed fact checks.

That's as far as I got, they are rated "low." There is a "very low" category though.... something to shoot for next month eh? 

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Seeing as to how you attack the messenger and not the message, here is the same information from another source.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-impeachment-trump-declares-himself-the-chief-law-enforcement-officer-of-america/2020/02/18/b8ff49c0-5290-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html

If you have no rebuttal, and attack the reporting, it only goes to show that you approve of what is happening and think that it is OK for white criminals to be pardoned.

Please don't forget, the amount of damage done by those pardoned is far greater than that done by those trying to get by.  You see the little guy as the problem, you are looking in the wrong direction.  

I know I'm just an old guy yelling at the clouds with you, but I do get some satisfaction at it as well.

What you support will only lead to more inequality, which will lead to more violence.  A self fulfilling prophecy, which in the end is only more profitable for the 1% and that's what it is all about, isn't it?

 

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11 minutes ago, deicer said:

If you have no rebuttal, and attack the reporting, it only goes to show that you approve of what is happening and think that it is OK for white criminals to be pardoned.

Let's just give that assertion a moments thought.... Occupy Democrats doesn't qualify as "reporting" and I didn't say I approved.  I said Occupy Democrats have an extreme left bias and are rated low.

As to "satisfaction" I derived a bit of that from thinking about you madly scouring the internet for an alternate source, albeit with a similar (but perhaps less extreme) bias. 

See ya next month eh?

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7 minutes ago, deicer said:

long as you consider Trump pardoning criminals to be a good thing 

You might have missed this part of the post:

15 minutes ago, Wolfhunter said:

I didn't say I approved.  I said Occupy Democrats have an extreme left bias and are rated low.

I'll type slower next month..... cheers

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