deicer Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Found in another forum... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6706375/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 and of course this does not help them out. London Gatwick (LGW / EGKK) is currently experiencing departure delays an average of 43 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA@AC Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Lengthy delays from EU airports are very costly to an airline when EU261 compensation kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 So now that the big shiny plane effect has worn off, what is the consensus on these tails within WS? I only know one guy on the 767 and he freebases the teal kool-aid. Boeing is flogging the 767 to their freighter customers at the moment as the tanker program faces production delays, they could probably get some new 767-300s by this time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 It's been a while since I've flown Vancouver to London, but is this typical of most airlines nowadays? WestJet makes no apologies for excluding hot meals on flights to London http://www.theprovince.com/news/local+news/westjet+makes+apologies+excluding+meals+flights+london/11955579/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If you look at YVR to the UK using June as but one example, AC offers the most nonstop flights complete with meals etc and for the most part less than WestJet who offers only a mix of flights over YYZ and the odd nonstop back to YVR. Low cost..... not really.... esp. when you add in the cost of the first bag vs AC's free and then the onboard meals. What is the difference, if any, between the cost of going from LHR or LGW to London Proper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If you have seen what Air Canada is serving these days on in transatlantic Y these days you wonder if it's even worth bothering. Broccoli mush, chicken mush and a substance that may or may not be potato based. Although on my last Air Canada J flight I would have preferred just about anything from the buy on-board menu to what they served me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaEH Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, Malcolm said: If you look at YVR to the UK using June as but one example, AC offers the most nonstop flights complete with meals etc and for the most part less than WestJet who offers only a mix of flights over YYZ and the odd nonstop back to YVR. Low cost..... not really.... esp. when you add in the cost of the first bag vs AC's free and then the onboard meals. What is the difference, if any, between the cost of going from LHR or LGW to London Proper? If you're looking at June I know it's one small sample but westjet's flights are full or as close to full as can be. You aren't going to find cheap seats now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I priced out an abortive (non-essential travel to Europe is currently discouraged) flight to London and WS was pretty competitive. LHR vs. LGW didn't really matter, we were headed to the Farnborough area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Super 80 said: Although on my last Air Canada J flight I would have preferred just about anything from the buy on-board menu to what they served me. Really? I've always enjoyed the "J" meals, I thought they were pretty good compared to the buy-on-board crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA@AC Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I'm not at all surprised to hear the negative publicity over WestJet's charging for food on its TATL flights. For whatever reason I have always found that UK travellers can be incredibly precious about their on board food and drink. A friend of mine who is a FA on VS was accused by a passenger of ruining his holiday--yes, ruining his holiday--because there was no chicken left and the poor thing had to have beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blues deville Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 So does WS stock sufficient buy on board food for each trans-Atlantic flight or are the last rows of passengers potentially out of luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Canadians have had virtually no exposure to stripped down no-frills concepts like Spirit or Ryanair where absolutely everything costs extra (except the bathroom). It's going to take some getting used to, and as I said long ago about the WS transatlantic product, there is going to be some hell to pay as travellers figure out their true cost - which will vary according to their wants and needs. If they have to check multiple bags, if they want preferred seating, meals, etc, they need to try the product before they can fully appreciate the cost between standard and no-frills offers. The ultimate, of course, is how the European no-frills carriers handle operations, for example, charging you differently for booking a checked bag online vs deciding at the airport that you will check a bag after all (or are refused by the airline to take a bag on as carry-on). People are cheap, but nothing gets people more riled at airports to be told their packing strategy is wrong, that their suitcase, while legal on one airline is too big or too heavy for carryon on another. Once you turn them around and tell them to go back to the counter to check that bag, they are fuming, scared of missing the flight, angry at the hassle, etc. The same applies to food. A lot of people will eat any slop served for free, but won't fork out $5 for a decent sandwich. And if the people around them are the same way, a groupthink is reinforced - no one buys. Wait until some airline starts charging a fee for booking with a credit card (Ryanair does) or for carryon (Spirit does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 While the airlines diddle with baggage fees, wait times due to carry on searches are leading to long waits in line. The TSA says it's increasing staffing levels in a big way. Are TSA services charged back to airlines, or is there a taxpayer funded component to their operations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 The TSA likes to blame carry-on baggage but it's just a smokescreen. The real cause is rampant mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA@AC Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 1 hour ago, dagger said: Canadians have had virtually no exposure to stripped down no-frills concepts like Spirit or Ryanair where absolutely everything costs extra (except the bathroom). It's going to take some getting used to, and as I said long ago about the WS transatlantic product, there is going to be some hell to pay as travellers figure out their true cost - which will vary according to their wants and needs. If they have to check multiple bags, if they want preferred seating, meals, etc, they need to try the product before they can fully appreciate the cost between standard and no-frills offers. WestJet's so far disastrous operation won't be helping things. The several planeloads of people who will essentially have been flown for free once they're paid EU261 compensation might be forgiving, but there will be plenty of unhappy customers around until WestJet gets its transatlantic act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 That's too true JO; they are inefficient and often inept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 As always it will be up to the customers to make a decision on the WestJet product. Looking at cheap flights for some dates in July most of the carriers are offering the same fare levels, the only difference would seem to be the additional cost of any add-ons. http://www.cheapflights.ca/search/flights-to-London/from-Calgary-Intl/departing-2016-07-06/returning-2016-07-20/ Shortlisted flights Flight results (updating) Updating... Outbound Return Tip 1 of 2 Previous tipNext tip We have filtered your results for direct flights Starting at C$1,757pp (avg. 9h 4m) Remove filterRemove filterDismiss tip Cheapest Smart Value C$1,757 pp Return Total C$1,757 WithFareboom C$CAD ! Payment will be taken in Canada Dollars - the basic fare will be C$CAD 1,757 pp ClassEconomy Pin Collapse Details Outbound Westjet 6:35pmCalgary IntlYYC 10:19amLondon GatwickLGW 8h 44m Direct YYC LGW Return Westjet 12:50pmLondon GatwickLGW 3:15pmCalgary IntlYYC 9h 25m Direct LGW YYC C$1,757pp Fareboom Select Also available with: Also with: C$1,823 Tripsta C$1,847 BudgetAir.ca more... This flight has been Pinned to your shortlist at the top of the page. Book your hotel with Cheapflights The best value hotels in London from 6 Jul to 20 Jul See hotels Hotels open in a new window C$1,825 pp Return Total C$1,825 Withairtickets.com C$CAD ! Payment will be taken in Canada Dollars - the basic fare will be C$CAD 1,825 pp ClassEconomy Pin Collapse Details Outbound Air Canada 6:25pmCalgary IntlYYC 10:00amLondon HeathrowLHR 8h 35m Direct YYC LHR Return Air Canada 1:05pmLondon HeathrowLHR 2:55pmCalgary IntlYYC 8h 50m Direct LHR YYC C$1,825pp airtickets.com Select Also available with: Also with: C$1,873 SkyTours more... This flight has been Pinned to your shortlist at the top of the page. C$1,855 pp Return Total C$1,855 WithTripsta C$CAD ! Payment will be taken in Canada Dollars - the basic fare will be C$CAD 1,855 pp ClassEconomy Pin Collapse Details Outbound Air Transat 6:35pmCalgary IntlYYC 10:35amLondon GatwickLGW 9h 0m Direct YYC LGW Return Westjet 12:50pmLondon GatwickLGW 3:15pmCalgary IntlYYC 9h 25m Direct LGW YYC C$1,855pp Tripsta Select Also available with: Also with: C$2,079 Kiwi.com more... This flight has been Pinned to your shortlist at the top of the page. Shhh! Don't want to miss out on flight options? tripcentral.ca C$1,869 pp Return Total C$1,869 WithWebjet.ca C$CAD ! Payment will be taken in Canada Dollars - the basic fare will be C$CAD 1,869 pp ClassEconomy Pin Collapse Details Outbound Lufthansa 6:25pmCalgary IntlYYC 10:00amLondon HeathrowLHR 8h 35m Direct YYC LHR Return Lufthansa 1:05pmLondon HeathrowLHR 2:55pmCalgary IntlYYC 8h 50m Direct LHR YYC C$1,869pp Webjet.ca Select Also available with: Also with: C$1,894 BudgetAir.ca C$1,898 mytrip.com C$1,928 airtickets.com more... This flight has been Pinned to your shortlist at the top of the page. Quickest C$2,039 pp Return Total C$2,039 WithFlightHub C$CAD ! Payment will be taken in Canada Dollars - the basic fare will be C$CAD 2,039 pp ClassEconomy Pin Collapse Details Outbound Finnair 10:15pmCalgary IntlYYC 1:50pmLondon HeathrowLHR 8h 35m Direct YYC LHR Return British Airways 6:40pmLondon HeathrowLHR 8:25pmCalgary IntlYYC 8h 45m Direct LHR YYC C$2,039pp FlightHub Select Also available with: Also with: C$2,153 Faregeek C$2,154 Flylink.ca C$2,154 Bookairfare C$2,154 BookingXpert.ca C$2,180 Webjet.ca C$2,202 Travelpack more... This flight has been Pinned to your shortlist at the top of the page. C$2,153 pp Return Total C$2,153 WithFaregeek C$CAD ! Payment will be taken in Canada Dollars - the basic fare will be C$CAD 2,153 pp ClassEconomy Pin Collapse Details Outbound British Airways 10:15pmCalgary IntlYYC 1:50pmLondon HeathrowLHR 8h 35m Direct YYC LHR Return British Airways 6:40pmLondon HeathrowLHR 8:25pmCalgary IntlYYC 8h 45m Direct LHR YYC C$2,153pp Faregeek Select Book this flight direct with British Airways C$2,157 7 alternative suppliers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 2 hours ago, J.O. said: The TSA likes to blame carry-on baggage but it's just a smokescreen. The real cause is rampant mismanagement. The sheer volume of trash people are hauling onboard is obviously a problem, but the real problem with the TSA is fifteen years or institutional miasis caused by high-performers quitting in sheer frustration and poor-performers sticking around and advancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, Super 80 said: The sheer volume of trash people are hauling onboard is obviously a problem, but the real problem with the TSA is fifteen years or institutional miasis caused by high-performers quitting in sheer frustration and poor-performers sticking around and advancing. I think rather it is the increase in processing time caused by the need to remove belts, jackets, coins, metal articles (from pockets) and then isolate liquids, electronics etc. from the carry on luggage. Most travelers seem to be surprised that they need to do this and from personal observations take 4 to 5 mins to do so when they are next to place the items on the belt to the xray station. Watching those who are prepared, they are usually taking less than one min to deposit their items and then proceed though the scanner. Of course the main reason for the delays is that most passengers seem to be maxing out their carryon limits to avoid bag fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 There have always been inexperienced travelers fumbling at security or immigration, but we have been in a fairly static situation policy-wise for the better part of a decade and in that time the TSA's performance has only deteriorated further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, Super 80 said: There have always been inexperienced travelers fumbling at security or immigration, but we have been in a fairly static situation policy-wise for the better part of a decade and in that time the TSA's performance has only deteriorated further. Perhaps but I still place the blame on the increase in carry on luggage that must be processed through the scanners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckl Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 "really a disgrace" C Bower (Canada) 5th June 2016 Verified Review | Flew London Gatwick to Toronto with WestJet Airlines. All I kept hearing was that everyones flight was delayed 5+ hours or cancelled all together. And lo and behold today our flight was cancelled from London to Toronto. But that's not the part that has now lost them two customers. There was absolutely no announcement and no information on why or how or what was happening. No one knew what was going on until finally after standing in line for almost 3 hours we were told there were no other flights to get us home until tomorrow at 5pm. The disorganization of this whole ordeal was pathetic to watch, with only one staff member at the counter to help the 100+ who were now displaced because of a cancelled flight, it was really a disgrace to see this from a Canadian company. I will be flying with other airlines from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA@AC Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 32 minutes ago, ckl said: "really a disgrace" C Bower (Canada) 5th June 2016 Verified Review | Flew London Gatwick to Toronto with WestJet Airlines. All I kept hearing was that everyones flight was delayed 5+ hours or cancelled all together. And lo and behold today our flight was cancelled from London to Toronto. But that's not the part that has now lost them two customers. There was absolutely no announcement and no information on why or how or what was happening. No one knew what was going on until finally after standing in line for almost 3 hours we were told there were no other flights to get us home until tomorrow at 5pm. The disorganization of this whole ordeal was pathetic to watch, with only one staff member at the counter to help the 100+ who were now displaced because of a cancelled flight, it was really a disgrace to see this from a Canadian company. I will be flying with other airlines from now on. LGW is a dump. WestJet likely uses outsourced staff there, and their contracted resources must be under constant stress given that WestJet virtually never operates its 767s (or Omni's) in or out of LGW without lengthy delays or cancellations. They're taking quite a hit on review sites such as the one from which the above was posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeman Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 hour ago, FA@AC said: LGW is a dump. Been to T3 lately? Also a dump. I felt like I was walking through Walmart when I ventured through recently. http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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