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[Guest]

EgyptAir crash: Signal from emergency beacon 'detected'

• 3 hours ago
• From the section Middle East

Search teams looking for the flight recorders of the EgyptAir plane have picked up a radio signal from an emergency locator transmitter, Egyptian investigators say.

This could help to narrow the search area for the "black boxes" to a 5km (3 mile) radius in the Mediterranean Sea.

A deep-water operation will start in the coming days, French officials said.

[Guest]

EgyptAir crash: Wreckage found in Mediterranean

• 24 minutes ago
• From the section Middle East

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36543969

EgyptAir disaster

• EgyptAir flight MS804: What we know

  23 May 2016
• EgyptAir crash fuels fears and theories

  20 May 2016
• Who were the victims of MS804?

  23 May 2016
• MS804 passenger 'almost missed flight'

  20 May 2016

Wreckage of the EgyptAir flight that went missing over the Mediterranean last month has been found, Egyptian investigators say.

A statement said "several main locations of the wreckage" had been identified.

A deep sea search vessel had also sent back the first images of the wreckage, the statement added.

There were 66 people on board flight MS804 when it crashed on 19 May while flying from Paris to Cairo.

The Airbus A320 plane vanished from Greek and Egyptian radar screens, apparently without having sent a distress call.

The Egyptian investigation committee said that investigators on board the John Lethbridge search vessel, which has been contracted by the Egyptian government, would now draw up a map of the wreckage distribution.

[Moon The Loon]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/cockpit-voice-recorder-recovered-from-egyptair-plane-wreckage/article30486166/

CVR recovered, memory module intact, and being delivered to Egyptian authorities in Alexandria.

[Guest]

Both recorders are now retrieved. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36557134

[moeman]

How long, typically, until the data is recovered and some answers as to what happened are announced?

[Moon The Loon]

3 hours ago, moeman said:

How long, typically, until the data is recovered and some answers as to what happened are announced?

From the Egyptian authorities? Could be tomorrow; could be never. All depends what the state has to gain or lose.

[Guest]

With any luck this will yield data and remove any thought of Egypt manipulating the data. 

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EgyptAir Flight MS804 recorders to go to Paris for repairs

• 28 minutes ago
• From the section Middle Eastd
• damaged flight recorders from the EgyptAir aircraft that crashed last month will be sent to France for repairs, Egyptian investigators say.

They say memory chips from Flight MS804 which contain vital information will be delivered to French experts next week.

The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo when it vanished from radar in the eastern Mediterranean on 19 May.

All 66 people on board the plane were killed. Some debris from the plane has since been recovered from the sea.

In a statement, the Egyptian investigative committee said the two recorders would be sent to France's BEA accident experts to remove salt deposits from the memory chips.

 

They will then be returned to Egypt for analysis.

It is hoped the recorders - which contain the pilots' conversations and technical parameters of the flight - could help determine the cause of the crash.

The Airbus A320 was flying overnight from Paris to Cairo when it vanished from Greek and Egyptian radar screens, apparently without having sent a distress call.

Some wreckage from the plane was later found some 290km (180 miles) north of the Egyptian port city of Alexandria.

On Thursday, the Egyptian committee also said that French experts would join their Egyptian colleagues to try to retrieve human remains from the sea.

A specialist vessel is still continuing an operation to map the wreckage.

 

[Moon The Loon]

Ya butt: "They will then be returned to Egypt for analysis."

[J.O.]

On another the forum, the anti-Airbus / anti-France conspiracy nuts are well engaged in rants on how they're working together to bury the "real" story.

[Guest]

Voice recording from EgyptAir crash intact, investigators say

Flight from Paris to Cairo crashed into the Mediterranean on May 19, killing all 66 people on board

The Associated Press Posted: Jul 02, 2016 8:39 AM ET Last Updated: Jul 02, 2016 8:39 AM ET

Investigators say data from the cockpit voice recorders on the EgyptAir flight that crashed in May can be recovered. The Paris-to-Cairo flight went down on May 19, killing all 66 people on board. (Christian Hartmann/Reuters)

voice recordings of the EgyptAir flight that crashed in May despite damage to the black box.

"None of the memory chips of the electronic board were damaged," the Egyptians participating in the examination of the device in France said in a statement, adding that only some connecting components had to be replaced.

• EgyptAir black box data suggests fire on board

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"Test results were satisfactory as [they] enabled the reading of the recorders of the CVR memory unit," they added. The Egyptians now plan to bring the recorder to Cairo for further analysis.

 

Some of the personal belongings and other wreckage from EgyptAir Flight 804 are shown in Egypt in this May 21 file photo taken from video. (Egyptian Armed Forces via AP )

The flight data recorder shows that there was smoke in the lavatory and onboard equipment and investigators say they have found heat damage on parts of the wreckage recovered from the Mediterranean Sea floor last month.

The bulk of the wreckage is believed to be at a depth of about 3,000 metres. Deep ocean search teams are still working to find and recover human remains.

[Guest]

Further info re the crash:

CAIRO – Egyptian investigators say audio from the cockpit voice recorder of the EgyptAir flight that crashed in May shows that pilots attempted to put out a fire onboard.

Speaking on condition of anonymity Tuesday because an official press statement has yet to be released, they say the recordings were consistent with data previously recovered from the plane’s wreckage that showed heat, fire, and smoke around a bathroom and the avionics area.

READ MORE: France opens manslaughter inquiry into EgyptAir Flight MS804 crash

The flight from Paris to Cairo crashed into the Mediterranean, killing all 66 people on board. The pilots made no distress call, and no militant group has claimed to have brought the aircraft down.

Investigators say no theories – including terrorism – are being ruled out, especially since it is rare for a major fire to break out so suddenly.

[Guest]

I guess it is now official that there was a fire onboard. Now as to what caused it..

EgyptAir crash: On-board recording discusses fire

• 1 hour ago
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36817589Image copyright AFP

EgyptAir disaster

• EgyptAir flight MS804: What we know

  16 June 2016
• EgyptAir crash fuels fears and theories

  20 May 2016
• Who were the victims of MS804?

  23 May 2016
• MS804 passenger 'almost missed flight'

  20 May 2016

An audio recording made on board an EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean Sea in May discusses a fire, investigators say.

An Egyptian-led team said on Saturday that the information was found on a cockpit flight recording.

But the investigative committee said it was too early where or why the fire broke out.

All 66 people on board died when flight MS804, flying from Paris to Cairo, crashed on 19 May.

The new information appears to back up evidence from the flight recorder of smoke in the cabin.

Recovered wreckage also showed signs of high temperature damage and soot on the jet's front section.

• Who were the victims?
• What do we know so far?

Automated electronic messages sent out by the plane had shown smoke detectors going off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane disappeared.

No distress call was made from the plane prior to the crash.

Egyptian investigators have not ruled out any reasons for the crash, including terrorism, particularly as such catastrophic fires on passenger planes are so rare.

The data recorders were taken to Paris after being found, and the cockpit voice recorder was in need of considerable repair.

The investigative committee also said on Saturday that a research ship, the John Lethbridge, had finished its search for human remains, which have been transferred to Cairo for identification.

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What we know

[Guest]

Another update, this one says the aircraft likely broke up in flight.

Middle East

EgyptAir Flight 804 Broke Up in Midair After a Fire, Evidence Suggests

By NOUR YOUSSEF and LIAM STACKJULY 22, 2016

CAIRO — Evidence gathered in an investigation into the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804 in the Mediterranean Sea in May indicates that the plane most likely broke up in midair after a fire near or inside the cockpit that quickly overwhelmed the crew, according to Egyptian officials involved in the inquiry.

But the officials could not determine whether the fire thought to have caused the crash had been set off by a mechanical malfunction or by a malicious act.

The findings are based on information from the Airbus A320’s flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder — commonly known as black boxes — along with an analysis of the condition and distribution of recovered debris, including human remains, according to forensic and aviation officials in Cairo. The officials spoke this week on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly.

The officials said the evidence appeared to be sufficient to rule out at least one early theory: that a pilot had deliberately flown the plane into the water.

Flight 804 plummeted from 37,000 feet during an overnight flight to Cairo from Paris on May 19, killing all 66 people on board. The early findings that it disintegrated in the air, rather than upon hitting the water, may be presented in a preliminary report on the crash in the coming days

Since the discovery of the wreckage last month, investigators and search teams have been mapping the debris field on the ocean floor, roughly 10,000 feet below the surface, with specialized underwater cameras, and the human remains that have been found were sent to a morgue in Cairo for analysis.

Among the largest items recovered so far are aircraft seats, an aviation official briefed on the investigation said. Other items include window panes and door handles.

No complete bodies have been retrieved, and almost none of the discovered remains were strapped into seats, the officials said. One forensic specialist estimated that search teams had found only a few remains, less than 70 pounds in all.

According to air-accident experts who are not involved in the EgyptAir inquiry, the absence of large debris and a relatively wide dispersal of objects along the ocean floor indicate that the plane broke up in the air, although they do not explain what might have caused that to occur.

EgyptAir Flight 804, en route from Paris to Cairo, disappeared from radar over the Mediterranean Sea on Thursday morning after it abruptly turned and dropped in altitude.

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A plane that fractures on impact with water typically leaves significant clusters of heavy debris, including sections of fuselage, wings and other large, identifiable parts such as engines or landing gear. The lack of intact human remains is another indicator of a midair breakup, experts said.

“The bodies will tell us a story, just like the aircraft does,” Frank Ciaccio, a former forensic investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board in the United States, said in an interview last month.

“If you see large fragmentation of remains, you generally look to see if that is consistent with an explosion or an in-flight disruption,” Mr. Ciaccio said. “Typically, if they are scattered about, that is a good indication of in-flight break-up.”

An Egyptian aviation official said the voice recorder from the cockpit indicated that the mood there was relaxed in the minutes before the plane veered off course.

Crew members were playing music and chatting amiably when the pilot, Capt. Muhammad Shoukair, 36, suddenly said there was a fire on board and asked the co-pilot, Muhammad Mamdouh Assem, 24, to get an extinguisher. That was the last human sound the recorder captured.

Information from the flight data recorder — as well as a series of automated alerts that were sent by the plane to a maintenance base on the ground — suggests that, in the minutes before radar contact was lost, heavy smoke was detected in a lavatory as well as near the cockpit. Investigators have also retrieved blackened pieces of metal from the front of the plane that indicate a high-temperature fire.

Still, the source of such a fire remains unclear. After the 1996 crash of T.W.A. Flight 800, which broke up in midair shortly after takeoff from Kennedy International Airport, investigators initially suspected terrorism. But an extensive inquiry determined that the probable cause was an electrical short-circuit that had ignited vapors in the plane’s main fuel tank.

Safwat Musallam, the chairman of EgyptAir, a state-owned carrier, declined to comment on the latest findings, but in an interview last month, he said, “It is clearly terrorism.”Noting the crash of a Russian jet over the Sinai Peninsula in October, which killed 224 people, and the hijacking of an EgyptAir flight in March by an Egyptian fugitive, he added, “I would have to be crazy not to see the pattern here.”

 

But Mr. Musallam acknowledged that his terrorism theory was not backed up by evidence. The recent crashes have damaged Egypt’s tourism industry. If mechanical or human failure is found to have played a role in the Flight 804 crash, it would threaten business for the carrier.

[Guest1]

Smoking appears to be the cause of the fire / crash.  EgyptAir plane crash killing 66 people caused by pilot smoking in cockpit | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

A passenger jet that crashed killing all 66 passengers and crew on-board was brought down by the pilot having a cigarette in the cockpit, an investigation has found.

The pilot on-board EgyptAir flight MS804 lit a cigarette in the cockpit, igniting oxygen leaking from an emergency mask.

It was in May 2016 that the Airbus A320 travelling from Paris Charles de Gaulle in France to Cairo, Egypt crashed into the Mediterranean Sea south of the Greek island of Crete in mysterious circumstances, The Sun reports.

The plane made violent swerves before falling into a “death spiral”.

[Maverick]

9 minutes ago, Kargokings said:

Smoking appears to be the cause of the fire / crash.  EgyptAir plane crash killing 66 people caused by pilot smoking in cockpit | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

A passenger jet that crashed killing all 66 passengers and crew on-board was brought down by the pilot having a cigarette in the cockpit, an investigation has found.

The pilot on-board EgyptAir flight MS804 lit a cigarette in the cockpit, igniting oxygen leaking from an emergency mask.

It was in May 2016 that the Airbus A320 travelling from Paris Charles de Gaulle in France to Cairo, Egypt crashed into the Mediterranean Sea south of the Greek island of Crete in mysterious circumstances, The Sun reports.

The plane made violent swerves before falling into a “death spiral”.

I'm no scientist but I don't believe that oxygen is flammable...

[Jaydee]

35 minutes ago, Maverick said:

I'm no scientist but I don't believe that oxygen is flammable...

I could be wrong but I believe the article should have stated that the increased oxygen level because of the leak caused either the cigarette or the ignition device, match/lighter to burn hotter which probably led to other fire related issues.

 

“ Oxygen behaves differently to air, compressed air, nitrogen and other inert gases. It is very reactive. Pure oxygen, at high pressure, such as from a cylinder, can react violently with common materials such as oil and grease. Other materials may catch fire spontaneously. Nearly all materials including textiles, rubber and even metals will burn vigorously in oxygen.
Even a small increase in the oxygen level in the air to 24% can create a dangerous situation. It becomes easier to start a fire, which will then burn hotter and more fiercely than in normal air. It may be almost impossible to put the fire out. A leaking valve or hose in a poorly ventilated room or confined space can quickly increase
the oxygen concentration to a dangerous level.
The main causes of fires and explosions when using oxygen are:
❋ oxygen enrichment from leaking equipment;
❋ use of materials not compatible with oxygen;
❋ use of oxygen in equipment not designed for oxygen service;
❋ incorrect or careless operation of oxygen equipment.

https://www.esfrs.org/_resources/assets/attachment/full/0/789.pdf

Edited April 28, 2022 by Jaydee

[Maverick]

20 hours ago, Jaydee said:

I could be wrong but I believe the article should have stated that the increased oxygen level because of the leak caused either the cigarette or the ignition device, match/lighter to burn hotter which probably led to other fire related issues.

 

“ Oxygen behaves differently to air, compressed air, nitrogen and other inert gases. It is very reactive. Pure oxygen, at high pressure, such as from a cylinder, can react violently with common materials such as oil and grease. Other materials may catch fire spontaneously. Nearly all materials including textiles, rubber and even metals will burn vigorously in oxygen.
Even a small increase in the oxygen level in the air to 24% can create a dangerous situation. It becomes easier to start a fire, which will then burn hotter and more fiercely than in normal air. It may be almost impossible to put the fire out. A leaking valve or hose in a poorly ventilated room or confined space can quickly increase
the oxygen concentration to a dangerous level.
The main causes of fires and explosions when using oxygen are:
❋ oxygen enrichment from leaking equipment;
❋ use of materials not compatible with oxygen;
❋ use of oxygen in equipment not designed for oxygen service;
❋ incorrect or careless operation of oxygen equipment.

https://www.esfrs.org/_resources/assets/attachment/full/0/789.pdf

I should have been clearer, that was meant to be tongue-in-cheek... It was more about how badly the article was written. It seems a little like the Apollo 1 fire that killed three astronauts in 1967. That was a 100% oxygen environment if I'm not mistaken?