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3 minutes ago, DEFCON said:

I think your position suggests you favour the current American system Malcolm, which includes three levels of care, Medicaid, Medicare and the more expensive options provided by private plans.

Those Americans that are seeking so-called equality of health care want a single payer, one size fits all program that mimics our own. This approach to the delivery of health care places the guy that funds the system in line behind someone that has never contributed a dime to the maintenance of the program. I think the Republicans understand the consequence this approach would have for the working man and accordingly stand opposed for the reasons only a capitalist could appreciate.

D'Souza also claimed that the eternally popular and respected Lincoln defined slavery as; 'I work and you eat'. 

 

 

My 2 tier suggestion continues to tax those who opt for the private care and they pay the full price for their no wait service. The public system remains fully funded but the number of users is reduced thus providing faster service for all who stay with the public system.

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And now back to the thread's topic. . . . . 

THIS retired pilot is waking up to another gorgeous day in SFO; having spent the last four days on a National Geographic Photographic Expedition.  This expedition was led by a world famous NG photographer and his four assistants. 

Photography has always been a hobby and I consider myself an advanced amateur. (Which means that on a good day I might take a photo the pleases me.) 

I learned a lot this weekend and it was a real treat to see one of the world's best manipulate the button and dials of his D5 so quickly and efficiently. I had the same feeling of awe that a new commercial pilot must feel when watching you still-working pilots program an FMS.

 

Okay, now back to your medical discussion. . . . . 

 

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There are many private surgery suites in Canada. You don't have to go to the states to get it done.

The problem with the US system is that surgery is the first option presented to the patient, and they take it.

Every American I know has had multiple surgeries for the same thing we would get physiotherapy/chiropractic/massage therapy for, often with immediate relief but worse outcomes or continuous surgeries in the future.

With individual health care plans many people find themselves out of pocket when they go to an approved or in network hospital but then that hospital contracts with an out of network surgeon or specialist without your knowledge and you are on the hook for thousands of dollars.

In Canada we should have surgical specialty offices that do nothing but hip replacement, knee surgery, prostate surgery etc., which would mimic the US model but would be much more efficient than what we have now. This could all be done within the present medical system and with the aging boomers is all the more reason we should be moving to this model. We would still have a need for emergency surgeons and general surgeons but for the most part we could deliver what is needed outside of a hospital setting at a much more reasonable cost.

 

 

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4 hours ago, John S. said:

And now back to the thread's topic. . . . . 

THIS retired pilot is waking up to another gorgeous day in SFO; having spent the last four days on a National Geographic Photographic Expedition.  This expedition was led by a world famous NG photographer and his four assistants. 

That sounds fantastic John! I can also think of at least one fellow retiree from this forum who'd be a tad jealous.

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I would like to see a mandatory fee imposed on everyone each time they go for a doctors appointment. Seems to me that quite a few elderly people go just about every week , almost like a social club.

When I was stationed in Halifax,( '77 - '81) we had to pay $2.00 per child each time we took the kids to see a doctor.

All of the  hospital ADMIN and Supervisors made the "sunshine" list in Ontario and the one over here in our area ............her salary is beyond obscene and we in Dotland are fighting to keep our hospital open. We are fortunate to have the medical system we have in Canada but it certasinly needs a shakeup.

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4 hours ago, Kip Powick said:

I would like to see a mandatory fee imposed on everyone each time they go for a doctors appointment. Seems to me that quite a few elderly people go just about every week , almost like a social club.

When I was stationed in Halifax,( '77 - '81) we had to pay $2.00 per child each time we took the kids to see a doctor.

All of the  hospital ADMIN and Supervisors made the "sunshine" list in Ontario and the one over here in our area ............her salary is beyond obscene and we in Dotland are fighting to keep our hospital open. We are fortunate to have the medical system we have in Canada but it certasinly needs a shakeup.

What I see, where I volunteer, is fully 65% of the folks who go to an Emergency Department, have absolutely no need to do so and instead should make an appointment with the GP or queue in line at their local clinic. Over 50% of those I see sent to emergency by their GP are  not true emergency patients, if they were the GP would have called 911.  it is easy to sort the sick from those who are just feeling below par, the sick don't whine and complain about the waiting times and don't run out for their necessary fresh air break (smoke that is). if we could only eliminate the excessive demand on the ED, then our health system would work much better. It seems to be more about the "I Want" rather "I am really sick and need help"  Rant over

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On April 15, 2016 at 10:57 AM, UpperDeck said:

I recently spoke to three "former" posters one of whom is retired. They indicated that they had taken a "break" from the forum because of a recently perceived change in "tone". A few very strident voices with somewhat extreme views and a tendency to personal attacks had diminished their collective enthusiasm for the forum. Regrettable that in the process of encouraging the free exchange of opinion, one promotes the involvement of a few unfettered devotees who spoil the site for others.

I've also heard similar complaints from other posters that this forum isn't as enjoyable as it used to be because the atmosphere has gone from friendly neighbourhood pub to "tea party".  

I hope that we won't continue to lose members who have contributed value and wisdom to discussions here over the years, but for anyone who is finding certain posters extreme, or objectionable, or just generally killing your buzz, there is an ignore feature on this forum that will make those people invisible to you, and you can go back to enjoying friendly banter with people you enjoy.

Just click on your name on the top right of the page, and select "ignored users" from the drop down menu.  

 

 

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The doctors at the hospital also play a role in deciding who gets in.

Years ago the hospital initially would not let me in when my doctor called.  He appealed 30 minutes later to another doctor who said I belonged in hospital.  I spent 2 days in the emergency ward and 7 more in a room upstairs.

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The problem with the ignore feature is that you can lose the thread.  I have read stuff where an ignored user had posted and I can see the responses but have no context to form any kind of detail to why the response is there.  Thus I have to un ignore the user to get the jist of the thread

 

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1 hour ago, Fido said:

The doctors at the hospital also play a role in deciding who gets in.

Years ago the hospital initially would not let me in when my doctor called.  He appealed 30 minutes later to another doctor who said I belonged in hospital.  I spent 2 days in the emergency ward and 7 more in a room upstairs.

fido that is exactly why triage is there to access the "real" patients vs the ones who do not belong. There is a grading system based on observation and vital signs that is very accurate. You say your doctor appealed to another doctor, unless you are talking about another country, here in Canada all you have to do is to enter into an ED and you will be assessed on your actual condition and given the necessary treatment.  If you were indeed an Emergency case then all your Doctor had to do was to order up an ambulance to bring you to the ED where you would have be accorded the necessary treatment.\, walking in on your own would have resulted in the same excellent treatment. I have never seen a case where the "hospital would not let you in" and this was overturned by another MD. 

Sadly the 65% fail the test but have to be accorded treatment in the ED when they are def. not Emergency patients thereby backing up the facilities for those in genuine need.

 

Emergency Departments

If you are concerned that you are seriously ill or injured, go to the nearest Emergency Department. Patients with potentially life-threatening conditions should immediately phone 911.

Emergency Departments provide access for patients suffering from life threatening to minor conditions.

Emergency is not a first-come, first-serve system. Critical patients are attended to first. Find your nearest Emergency Department.

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1 hour ago, boestar said:

The problem with the ignore feature is that you can lose the thread.  I have read stuff where an ignored user had posted and I can see the responses but have no context to form any kind of detail to why the response is there.  Thus I have to un ignore the user to get the jist of the thread

 

Maybe some threads are just meant to be lost?  ;)

Everyone has their own tolerance levels, maybe for some, losing the odd thread is a small price to pay for not having your day ruined by the same few disgruntled guys every time you log in.  Or, like you say, you can temporarily unignore the poster if the topic is of interest, and you're willing to risk having your blood boil.  :)

 

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It's possible that many of the 65% called to make an appointment with their GP, only to be told that they will have wait a few days to see him/her, else go to the ED. Meanwhile, the patient need to see a doctor.

Been there, done that. 

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1 hour ago, Boney said:

It's possible that many of the 65% called to make an appointment with their GP, only to be told that they will have wait a few days to see him/her, else go to the ED. Meanwhile, the patient need to see a doctor.

Been there, done that. 

Then just go to a walk in clinic. It takes a couple of weeks to get in to see my GP but he is associated with a walk in clinic as well so every time I go to the walk in clinic he is able to access the treatment I received.

I am also in favour of a charge every time you go to see the doctor, $10 should keep the hangnail crowd out of the office.

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3 hours ago, boestar said:

The problem with the ignore feature is that you can lose the thread.  I have read stuff where an ignored user had posted and I can see the responses but have no context to form any kind of detail to why the response is there.  Thus I have to un ignore the user to get the jist of the thread

 

I find the scroll button on my mouse works really well to skip over some posters/posts.

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