cp fa Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Last flight maintenance log book entry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 - Software upgrade not req'd. Most available replacement occupants for left seat lack the 36 yrs of experiences previous software acquired. - Suggest airline consider keeping you via shotgun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Mitch Cronin said: - Software upgrade not req'd. Most available replacement occupants for left seat lack the 36 yrs of experiences previous software acquired. - Suggest airline consider keeping you via shotgun! NO.....let the young guys move up.....this "fly -till-you-die" policy is ludicrous. Prior to the advent of the policy every airline did well with the level of experience in the 'pointy end'. Just my opinion....RETIRE and live in the time you have left cause that light at the end of the tunnel gets brighter with each passing day and if one uses the excuse that they 'need the money' then I can only assume they were not forward thinking with their financial planning....or perhaps their love life. Flame away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Some guys are old at 60 ( or younger) and are ready (or due) for retirement. Others are fully and effectually engaged and serve not only themselves but also their employer and the public by continuing to provide the benefit of their inherent and acquired skills beyond some arbitrary imposed deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 You must remember, you moved up because the guy ahead of you retired at 60. Now you may be restricting the young'un behind you from the same movement. It skews the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 1 hour ago, deicer said: You must remember, you moved up because the guy ahead of you retired at 60. Now you may be restricting the young'un behind you from the same movement. It skews the system. Only for a couple of years. If a company changes their policy and chases you out at 65 instead of 60, those junior people will "suffer" their peers for 5 years, then the attrition rate will go back to the same as it was before the rule changed. And in all likelihood, many will medical/opt out before reaching 65, decreasing the 5 years of "suffering". Also, keep in mind those newbies coming up the ranks are not amassing the same kind of skills we did. One need only look at Air France. I'm still having too much fun to retire. Where I am, there is no mandatory retirement. Unless the Doc says "Yer done, Son!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 However, these same youngings will have an additional 5 years added to their careers. So it balances it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp fa Posted April 14, 2016 Author Share Posted April 14, 2016 Oy, what a thread drift! I dont know know the guy personally, it was passed on to me, but my understanding was he was ready to go, and looking forward to his next chapter, and just wanted to thank some of the people who helped make his career run smoothly on his way out. End of story. I thought it was lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 It was indeed very nice of him to make that entry in the logbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 OK. Log Book entries. The Dash 8 has a controller for the heading on the glareshield. One day, it wasn't working right - it was slipping - the heading bug wasn't following as it should. I wrote in the Journey Log: "Heading bug - Captain's knob is loose." Rectifcation: "Captain's knob tightened." Fill yer boots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 T-33 ---- after out of scheduled maintenance check ....airtest 1) Right wing heavy 2) Rectification...trim tab adjusted 3) Airtest...Left wing heavy 4) Rectification...Trim tab readjusted 5) Airtest....Both wings heavy !!!! 6)..Page removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 4 hours ago, conehead said: It was indeed very nice of him to make that entry in the logbook. I was trying to say that, in a sort of cutesy way I guess.... evidently I fail at cutesy. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp fa Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 7 hours ago, Mitch Cronin said: I was trying to say that, in a sort of cutesy way I guess.... evidently I fail at cutesy. Lol. I've seen worse... The thing about the move to age 65 retirement, especially in the context of this thread, is that the 5 year gap isn't over yet, so with few exceptions, all of the guys who have retired in the last few years have done so voluntarily, on their own terms. As Martha Stewart would say, it's a good thing. I get what Mitch was saying though, he sounds like a good guy and a good employee. The kind of guy you'd want to keep around for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 And I'd like to point out that there was mandatory retirement at age 65 for every other employee. That is no longer the case, and I know of quite a few AME's working at Air Canada who are now in their late 60's. For the most part, these guys are workhorses, and their years of experience is invaluable. It's not something I'd like to do when I'm approaching 70 years of age, but to each their own. As long as they can do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Another reason that older workers may be better than: Not sure that I completely agree but it is something to think about. Here is the link to the complete article. http://www.cbfa.org/penn2006.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Not sure about "God Centered" but "Self Centered" is certainly the prevalent ethic. There is no more "Whats good for the company" it is all just "Whats in it for me" What is lost when this happens it the premise that if it is good for the company it is generally good for the employee in the form of job security. I see a lot of people that are not productive and ride on the coat tails of the hard workers. They want to reap the rewards but not put in the effort to help achieve the goals that allow for those rewards. If everyone were to work towards the same goal then the rewards would be greater in the end. The problem arises when the self centered does not care about the groups goals, only their own. This, for lack of a better term, drags down the herd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QFE Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 On 15/04/2016 at 10:41 AM, boestar said: What is lost when this happens it the premise that if it is good for the company it is generally good for the employee in the form of job security. I see a lot of people that are not productive and ride on the coat tails of the hard workers. They want to reap the rewards but not put in the effort to help achieve the goals that allow for those rewards. If everyone were to work towards the same goal then the rewards would be greater in the end. Somewhere in this quote I see where the "ME TOO" clause came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acsidestick Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 On April 14, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Boney said: However, these same youngings will have an additional 5 years added to their careers. So it balances it out. It never balances out. Say the final seat you sit it arrived on schedule at age 56 and that seat is worth $300,000 per year. Captain A was originally scheduled for 4 years in the $300,000 seat. 4x300000=1.2 million. A nice tidy sum, and he's happily on his way. Along comes age 65 rules. Captain A still reached the top seat as planned at age 56, but now continues on to 65. He now gets 9 years in the $300,000 dollar seat. 9 years x300000= $2.7 million. Captain B is five years younger than captain A. Captain B, like Captain As was also supposed to reached the $300,000 seat at age 56. He now cannot reach that seat until Captain A vacates it and Captain B is now 61 years old and finally gotten to the place he was suppose to be at age 56 and so he only get his four years, not nine and the original 1.2 million versus 2.7. Obviously, Captain B must serve the extra time somewhere in another seat while he waits his turn and is making money, but there is no guarantee that while he waits his new turn, he doesn't lose his medical and never gets the seat at all. It never evens out. There is a five year group who is getting an extra 1.5 million that will NEVER be made again by those who follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 "The problem arises when the self centered does not care about the groups goals, only their own. This, for lack of a better term, drags down the herd." Boestar has precisely identified the issue pilots have been screwing with for the past five decades. With Deregulation management was finally able to capitalize on the pilots inability to manage their own professional morals and ensure the wawcon of the present day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Congrats to Pilot Peter. To build on Kip's comments: if you are ready, willing and able then retirement is the best thing going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 5 hours ago, acsidestick said: It never balances out. Say the final seat you sit it arrived on schedule at age 56 and that seat is worth $300,000 per year. Captain A was originally scheduled for 4 years in the $300,000 seat. 4x300000=1.2 million. A nice tidy sum, and he's happily on his way. Along comes age 65 rules. Captain A still reached the top seat as planned at age 56, but now continues on to 65. He now gets 9 years in the $300,000 dollar seat. 9 years x300000= $2.7 million. Captain B is five years younger than captain A. Captain B, like Captain As was also supposed to reached the $300,000 seat at age 56. He now cannot reach that seat until Captain A vacates it and Captain B is now 61 years old and finally gotten to the place he was suppose to be at age 56 and so he only get his four years, not nine and the original 1.2 million versus 2.7. Obviously, Captain B must serve the extra time somewhere in another seat while he waits his turn and is making money, but there is no guarantee that while he waits his new turn, he doesn't lose his medical and never gets the seat at all. It never evens out. There is a five year group who is getting an extra 1.5 million that will NEVER be made again by those who follow. The current system allows one to continue to 65, once one is in good health and home life, aka wife/husband, is all for one to continue. It's a balancing act. The junior guy will just have to wait, and he/she will also be able to continue to 65 or, even 70 with the so call impending shortage. Those that want to retire earlier, good for you. Those that wish to continue should not be pressured. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 acsidestick, your example fits a static no growth industry with 100% of older pilots staying on to 65. That of course has not been the case in our industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 ....and do you think this industry can keep growing Malcolm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Mitch Cronin said: ....and do you think this industry can keep growing Malcolm? Mitch: it is simple math, more people = more bums in the seats which = more growth. More retirees with money to spend=more demand for sun spots, more immigrants with higher birth rates adds to the demand. Why would you think otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 9 hours ago, John S. said: Congrats to Pilot Peter. To build on Kip's comments: if you are ready, willing and able then retirement is the best thing going. John S. No arguments from anyone, I am certain. However, from the perspective of some, the "willing" is ignored. I find it it interesting that the argument is made that "if you left at age 60, I would make $x. more than if you retire at age 65". Really? Do you honestly believe that your life will be defined by the last million of GROSS income that you generate? Trust me (he said). By age 60 and assuming an otherwise productive and engaged life, that additional income will have little meaning save and except a smaller estate to be fought over by the residual beneficiaries. Enjoy rather than fret over what might have been. Think about it....but for the grace of God, you might not have been a pilot. You might have been a lawyer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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