Moon The Loon Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Is it me, or is this Utopian pie-in-the-sky material: https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/#manifesto-content There is quite the list of initiating signatories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Initiating Signatories Alanis Morissette Ann-Marie MacDonald Arcade Fire Ashley Callingbull Avi Lewis Bishop Mark MacDonald Bruce Cockburn Carole Pope Charles Taylor Clayton Ruby David Suzuki Denis Villeneuve Dionne Brand Dominic Champagne Donald Sutherland Ellen Page Father Jean-Marc Biron Father Peter Bisson George Elliott Clark Gord Downie Guujaaw Hassan Yussuff John Ralston Saul Joseph Boyden Judy Rebick Leonard Cohen Leslie Feist Maude Barlow Michael Ondaatje Naomi Klein Neil Young Nino Ricci Pamela Anderson Patricia Rozema Philippe Falardeau Rachel McAdams Rawi Hage Robert Bateman Roy McMurtry Sarah Harmer Sarah Polley Stephen Lewis Tantoo Cardinal Tegan & Sara Thomas King William Gibson Xavier Dolan Yann Martel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Yeah, quite the list! Sounds like a good guest list for a party though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st27 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 That would be one party I wouldn't bother going to...boooorring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, st27 said: That would be one party I wouldn't bother going to...boooorring There's gotta be some potential for sparks if you mix Jesuit priests with Donald Sutherland, Pamela Anderson and Leonard Cohen. William Gibson is an interesting guy too. Buy, yeah, most of the signatories are vacuous posers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Why do these pie in the sky ideas never mention the out of control growth of human populations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 36 minutes ago, DEFCON said: Why do these pie in the sky ideas never mention the out of control growth of human populations? I quite agree but in the Western World we are told our population growth is too low and we need to bring in immigrants from those countries that have higher birth rates. I, for one, don't understand why our population growth can not be reduced . The race for more seems to be fated to have the same adverse effect as we see in corporations that value growth over everything. Here is a link to stats Canada's growth projection for Canada http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-520-x/2010001/ct001-eng.htm According to the high-growth scenario, the Canadian population would go from 33.7 million in 2009 to 47.7 million in 2036, then to 63.8 million in 2061, almost doubling in 50 years. As a result of stronger immigration than in the medium-growth scenario as well as higher life expectancy and, above all, fertility moving closer to the replacement level, this scenario shows an increase that is not only continual but also strong until the end of the projection period. From 12.6 per thousand in 2009/2010, the average annual growth rate would decline slightly to 11.9 per thousand in 2060/2061. The low-growth scenario offers a different picture; here again Canada would experience growth, but while that growth would be continual, it would fall off rapidly. Under this scenario, the Canadian population would go from 40.1 million in 2036 to 43.0 million in 2061. Thus, the population would grow at a rate of 10.8 per thousand in 2009/2010, then decline to 2.6 per thousand in 2060/2061. Overall, the projections in the 2009 to 2036 edition yield different results from the preceding series of projections (2005 to 2031); they revise upward the growth that Canada could experience. For example, the results of the medium-growth scenario in the current projections, whereby the Canadian population would reach 50.7 million in 2056, are similar to the high-growth scenario of the preceding projections, which projected a population of 49.7 million in 2056. This is because the assumptions formulated in the two projection series are different, in light of how Canadian demography has evolved recently. The major demographic shifts that have taken place since the preceding series were produced—most notably, increases in fertility and immigration—generally point toward assumptions more favourable to population growth. Components of growth Regardless of the scenario, the population would increase, but at a pace that would vary over time. Declining over much of the projection period, the growth rate would reach a plateau, then turn upward again toward 2054 (Chart 3.2). An analysis of the different components of population growth sheds light on the causes of these patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Awwwwww...Waffles are for breakfast! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/ndps-leap-is-the-waffle-reborn/article29593225/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 The corporatocracy, backed by government, falsely push a 'growth is the only way forward' kind of thinking. This unsustainable model keeps breaking down for all sorts of natural reasons and the Fed keeps applying band-aids to keep their system afloat. Back when the Fed realized 'fair trade' laws were limiting growth opportunities their answer to their need for greed was to lobby western governments to introduce 'free trade' policies. So, we drank the koolaid, the jobless masses of the third world became employed over there and eliminated the high paying industrial jobs that were here, which has largely eliminated the middle class unionism had created. As McJobs become the western norm and the people become accustomed to debating the level of the minimum wage most will be making if things continue on the present course, we can expect the gap between rich and the poor to widen as the wealthy go on taking more of the pie that was once said middle class leaving only two classes, the ruling elite and the unwashed masses of the working poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Stop vaccinating. That should stifle growth before long as mortality rates increase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 You surprise me Malcolm. The died-in-the-wool-Conservative basic foundation seems to always have been "growth". It's their mantra for goodness sakes! Listen to the economists.... it's their nirvana! ....yet you seem to have discovered the flaw in their logic, despite your Conservative leanings... That's almost an encouraging sign! :! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 25 minutes ago, Mitch Cronin said: You surprise me Malcolm. The died-in-the-wool-Conservative basic foundation seems to always have been "growth". It's their mantra for goodness sakes! Listen to the economists.... it's their nirvana! ....yet you seem to have discovered the flaw in their logic, despite your Conservative leanings... That's almost an encouraging sign! :! Are you having a "Bad" hair day Mitch? If you are talking about population growth, then I have to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: Are you having a "Bad" hair day Mitch? If you are talking about population growth, then I have to disagree. There are no bad-hair-days when you're RETIRED! Welcome back, Mitch! There's another friend posted today, maybe not so welcome?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Mitch: sometimes it is all about having something to do. So here is a recipe for you. http://hoosierhomemade.com/zucchini-bread/ Just baked some and it is really good. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Hi Mitch! One has to remember that Conservatives only conserve money for the rich. As the Panama papers have illustrated, we are back in the days of the Robber Barons and the rest of us peons should know our place and accept our servitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 hour ago, deicer said: Hi Mitch! One has to remember that Conservatives only conserve money for the rich. As the Panama papers have illustrated, we are back in the days of the Robber Barons and the rest of us peons should know our place and accept our servitude. And as history also proved, the Liberals give the money to their friends....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 They all do it Malcolm, it's only the methods that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 And who receives the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 14, 2016 Author Share Posted April 14, 2016 On 12/04/2016 at 3:31 PM, boestar said: Stop vaccinating. Vacillating??? From http://www.dictionary.com/browse/vacillating : adjective 1. not resolute; wavering; indecisive; hesitating: an ineffectual, vacillating person. 2. oscillating; swaying; fluctuating: a vacillating indicator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 HUH? it says Vaccinating where you getting the L's from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 On April 12, 2016 at 0:31 PM, boestar said: Stop vaccinating. That should stifle growth before long as mortality rates increase Seriously? You may as well say stop breathing. With the exception of those who are anti vaccination on religious or personal grounds, the vast majority believes that it improves life expectancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 1 hour ago, boestar said: HUH? it says Vaccinating where you getting the L's from OK. I get it. Could have gone either way with the post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/12/2016 at 4:15 AM, Moon The Loon said: Is it me, or is this Utopian pie-in-the-sky material: https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/#manifesto-content There is quite the list of initiating signatories. Maybe it is because of sun stroke. Sun, 17 Apr Sunny. High 19. Night Clear. Low 7. Mon, 18 Apr Sunny. High 24. Night Clear. Low 6. Tue, 19 Apr Sunny. High 27. Night Clear. Low 7. Wed, 20 Apr Sunny. High 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 12 hours ago, J.O. said: Seriously? You may as well say stop breathing. With the exception of those who are anti vaccination on religious or personal grounds, the vast majority believes that it improves life expectancy. Thats my point. Population growth is increasing because we are not dying. The life expectancy has increased dramatically over what it was 100 years ago. Nature did not intend on the human race putting a stop to her population contol. Imagine the world today if we did not control or eliminate Smallpox, cholera, TB, Polio etc. Those are all natures population control. I am most definately pro vaccination and the original comment was meant tounge in cheek but if you want to lower the population stop vaccinating the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfhunter Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 14 hours ago, boestar said: Those are all natures population control. Bit scary to think there are many more too. World food supply is closely tied with oil; Imagine going back to the agricultural techniques of 250 years ago. This is one of the few occasions I find myself in complete agreement with the good Dr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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