Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Smaller Washrooms and smaller galley adds 12 more passengers. PICTURE: Lufthansa shows A320neo cabin layout changes 23 February, 2016 BY: David Kaminski-Morrow London German flag carrier Lufthansa has released seat-layout maps of its Airbus A320neo which illustrate the new higher-density configuration achieved with a cabin interior rejig. The A320neo has a nominal configuration of 180 seats, although the carrier’s map – in the upper diagram – appears to show a 178-seat layout, underlining the adjustable cabin divide between business and economy class. Comparison with the regular layout, nominally 168 seats, shows how the additional space has been created by reducing the size of the lavatory modules and shifting them aft of the rear passenger exits. They are fitted adjacent to a smaller galley area enabling the installation of two more seat rows, accommodating up to 12 additional passengers. The forward cabin remains largely unchanged. Lufthansa took delivery of its first A320neo, fitted with Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines, on 20 January. Related Content A320neo fuel-burn reduction target 'slightly exceeded': Airbus Lufthansa's first A320neo arrives at Frankfurt base Lufthansa takes delivery of first A320neo Lufthansa Data Snapshot $30739M Total Revenue (2014) 254 In Service Fleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Included with every ticket for the aft cabin is a free appointment with an orthopaedic surgeon. Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Looking at from the top down it doesn't look like there's any legroom at all! Row 32 looks especially interesting - crowded in extra tight from the fuselage taper, won't recline, get served your pretzels last and last off the airplane - nice. On top of that you get an up-close and personal experience with the galley, the lavs and the line for the lavs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA@AC Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, seeker said: Looking at from the top down it doesn't look like there's any legroom at all! Row 32 looks especially interesting - crowded in extra tight from the fuselage taper, won't recline, get served your pretzels last and last off the airplane - nice. On top of that you get an up-close and personal experience with the galley, the lavs and the line for the lavs! And no window. DL's reconfigured 319s and 320s are the same. Rather than move the lavs, BA has just removed one of them on its 319. There are now only 2 lavs on the aircraft for 143 seats. I'm sure that most airlines will be having their 737 MAX fleets delivered with equally cramped cabins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, this is what the passengers want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I would love to see an evacuation test on that monstrosity performed with the passengers from a randomly selected flight at ATL or DFW. Sooner or later, but probably only after passengers are incinerated in a botched evacuation, regulators are going to act on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Since the A320 was already certified at 180 passengers, that test isn't going to happen. Whether or not it should happen is another matter ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I believe the "evacuation test" if it can be called that for the "Airbus Space-Flex" configuration was done with software simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Without starting a new thread.. Anyone here doing a YYZ -FLL (Rouge) on Saturday ? What is the newest designation for the F/A that leads the cabin crew? I/C..... CSD etc ???? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kip Powick said: Without starting a new thread.. Anyone here doing a YYZ -FLL (Rouge) on Saturday ? What is the newest designation for the F/A that leads the cabin crew? I/C..... CSD etc ???? Thanks in advance They've gone back to "Stewardess", ("Toots" will get their attention too!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, Kip Powick said: Without starting a new thread.. Anyone here doing a YYZ -FLL (Rouge) on Saturday ? What is the newest designation for the F/A that leads the cabin crew? I/C..... CSD etc ???? Thanks in advance Their designation is "lead". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, seeker said: They've gone back to "Stewardess", ("Toots" will get their attention too!) Thanks..if no one ever answered I was going to use the old standards , "Trolley Dolly" or "Sky Muffin". as I'm sure one or the other would get their attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Kip Powick said: Thanks..if no one ever answered I was going to use the old standards , "Trolley Dolly" or "Sky Muffin". as I'm sure one or the other would get their attention They are probably too young to even know they should be offended by those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FA@AC Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Kip Powick said: Thanks..if no one ever answered I was going to use the old standards , "Trolley Dolly" or "Sky Muffin". as I'm sure one or the other would get their attention If those fail, try "Cabin B1tch" or "Tart with Cart". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I always liked 'cookie pusher'. If they used footholds instead of seats they could probably cram a whole lot more people into these tubes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeman Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I recently got asked if I was a Stewardess. I just nodded and walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 2016-02-24 at 5:33 PM, seeker said: They are probably too young to even know they should be offended by those. I'm chuckling at this, a girl in the office who is probably around 25-27 learned today for the first time that referring to a guy as a "fairy" was inappropriate. I similarly a million years ago had no idea the phrase "swish" was (or once was) inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 On 2/24/2016 at 8:04 PM, FA@AC said: On 2/23/2016 at 4:44 PM, Super 80 said: I would love to see an evacuation test on that monstrosity performed with the passengers from a randomly selected flight at ATL or DFW. Sooner or later, but probably only after passengers are incinerated in a botched evacuation, regulators are going to act on this. If those fail, try "Cabin B1tch" or "Tart with Cart". I think he must read our forum. Quote ‘A huge safety issue’: Canada needs standards to prevent cramming too many people on flights, advocate says Today, February 29, 2016, 15 minutes ago | Aly Thomson, The Canadian Press HALIFAX — An airline passenger advocate says Canada should look at establishing seat-size standards for commercial airlines. Gabor Lukacs says an attempt by American Sen. Charles Schumer to require the U.S. government to establish seat-size standards is something that should be done in Canada. Lukacs said such standards are needed on Canadian flights, as cramming too many people onto a plane poses safety risks. “It’s a huge safety issue,” said Lukacs from Halifax on Sunday. “If you cram too many passengers in too small of a space, then some people will end up not being able to evacuate the plane in the same amount of time (during an emergency).” They’re like sardines. Lukacs said overcrowding planes also infringes on passenger comfort, especially on lengthy flights. “It can be very problematic,” he said. “There’s also the issue of air rage. Because seats are so close, you have people who use things like stoppers from allowing the seat in front on them to recline. It creates tension between two strangers… and even a small amount of tension can spark a fist fight.” Lukacs said creating standards that apply to all commercial airlines would bring Canada in line with other jurisdictions, such as the European Union. “In terms of air passenger rights, we are very much behind the rest of the world,” said Lukacs. Transport Canada did not immediately return a request for comment Sunday. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew VaughanGabor Lukacs, an airline passenger advocate, says Canada should look at establishing seat-size standards for commercial airlines. The U.S. also does not have federal limits on how close an airline’s row of seats can be or how wide an airline’s seat must be. Schumer, a New York Democrat, says he will add an amendment to a bill that is pending before Congress that would require the American Federal Aviation Administration to set the seat-size guidelines. A vote is expected in March. Schumer said airlines have been slowly cutting down legroom and seat width. “They’re like sardines,” Schumer said of airplane passengers. “It’s no secret that airlines are looking for more ways to cut costs, but they shouldn’t be cutting inches of legroom and seat width in the process … It’s time for the FAA to step up and stop this deep-seated problem from continuing.” Related Should airlines start charging passengers by the pound? Getting bumped: Airlines are filling more seats than ever — so why are they still overbooking? Schumer said seat pitch, the distance between a point on an airline seat and the same spot on the seat in front of it, has dropped from 35 inches in the 1970s to a current average of closer to 31 inches, and seat width has gone from 18.5 inches to about 16.5 inches. He argues that the requirement is needed to stop airlines from shrinking those numbers even further. An FAA spokesman said agency officials “look forward to reviewing” Schumer’s proposal. Airlines for America, an industry trade group representing an array of U.S. carriers, said it believes the government’s role is to determine a seat size that is safe, but opposes the proposed regulation. “We believe the government should not regulate, but instead market forces, which reflect consumer decisions and competition should determine what is offered,” spokeswoman Jean Medina said. “As with any commercial product or service, customers vote every day with their wallet.” — With files from The Associated Press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 It's not going to happen in either country without people being burned alive. And even then the airlines will act as though it is a Stalinist intrusion on their business and that it's what the passengers (or guests) want. I completely reject that reasoning because North American airlines haven't enjoyed more pricing power or greater barriers to entry than they do today in decades and every last asinine policy, fee and practice is fueled not by customers demands and preferences but by the demands of wall street that they pull revenue growth out of their collective ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 They have regulations that specify how many livestock may be put in a trailer to be shipped, yet no regulations on how close you can pack passengers on an aircraft. Then people are shocked when there are 'incidents' on an aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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