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2 hours ago, deicer said:

Still cheaper than oil and gas subsidies that go to dividends that leave the country.

Not to confuse you with facts but....... 
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The database reveals that Danish manufacturer Vestas can put its name to most turbines now installed in Canada, with 1,834. Vestas narrowly beat out GE, the second-largest manufacturer of installed turbines in Canada, with 1,725. German multinational Siemens can claim the third-largest manufacturing total, at 1,248.Oct. 23, 2020
The Wind Power Production Incentive program was set up to help establish wind energy in Canada by providing a financial incentive of about 1 cent per kilowatt-hour produced from the installation of up to 1,000 megawatts (MW) of new wind power capacity in Canada by 2007.Jan. 18, 2016
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COP26 crowd should know that Canuck emissions decreasing


  • Calgary Sun
  • 14 Nov 2021
  • ANTHONY FUREY afurey@postmedia.com @anthonyfurey
img?regionKey=U%2bpd5im6%2bmAjZ2y1CGjo3g%3d%3dCANADIAN PRESS FILES The Syncrude oil sands extraction facility is reflected in a tailings pond near the city of Fort Mcmurray, Alta. in June 2014.

As usual, there was a lot of heated rhetoric doing the rounds at the COP26 Glasgow climate summit that just wrapped up.

Some of the most attention-grabbing statements came from none other than Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who called for both a global carbon tax and a hard cap on emissions from Canada's oil and gas sector.

Trudeau's remarks generated a lot of headlines both at home and abroad. He knows how to make news, that's for sure.

It would have been nice though if he'd also taken the opportunity to use the podium at COP26 to offer the world, and summit protesters like Greta Thunberg, a snapshot of what the actual numbers tells us about Canada's emissions situation.

Because while you wouldn't know it from the way everyone's talking, Canadians' emissions are actually going down. A lot.

This information comes courtesy of none other than the federal government's own annual reports on energy.

“Since 2000, there has been a decoupling between the growth of Canada's economy and GHG emissions, largely because of technological improvements, regulations, and more efficient practices and equipment,” explains the 2021 edition of the government's Energy Fact Book.

If you look at the charts produced by the government that show annual greenhouse gas emissions (GHGS), it's pretty much a slightly jagged line that moves horizontally. There are ups and downs, but we're pretty much at the same place we were at 20 years ago.

“Canada's total GHG emissions in 2019 were 730 megatonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (Mt CO2 eq), a slight increase from 728 Mt CO2 eq in 2018,” explains the feds.

That figure may be a slight increase. But it's not like there's a similar slight increase every year. In fact, the figure for 2006 was exactly the same — 730 megatonnes. That means after 15 years, Canada's emissions have been static.

How this translates into a decrease in emissions is that this number has remained flat even as Canada's population has significantly increased. The energy fact book explains that Canada's emissions have gone down by 20% per capita over the past 20 years.

That's quite something and it would be nice if the word got out more. That emissions in Canada are not out of control serves as a sober check on the more extreme rhetoric we hear about an imminent climate crisis. It should also make more people re-think whether we really need to be ratcheting up the current carbon tax and adding a second, overlapping, carbon tax, which is what will happen with the implementation of next year's Clean Fuel Standard tax.

So, what should the plan be moving forward? The government energy fact book already shows us the way. Better technology and greater efficiency are what has brought us to where we are and that will only continue.

“The Canadian industry spent about $1.5B on energy R&D in 2017,” the report explains — and that $500 million of that was on clean energy and green initiatives. (This count doesn't include the taxpayer money that government funneled into such projects.)

The private sector is on it, by their own volition. And they'd still be on it regardless of how many cocktails an activist drank at COP26.

There are those who would have you believe that the only initiatives that can bring about advances in the green sector are grandiose proclamations from politicians and NGOS at places like COP26.

But the truth is, whatever it was that crowd got up to for the past two weeks in Glasgow was mostly a red-herring. If you want real results, the numbers to date tell us to look to private innovation over public policy.

That emissions in Canada aren't out

of control serves as a sober check on the more extreme rhetoric we hear

about an imminent climate crisis.

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2 hours ago, Kargokings said:
Not to confuse you with facts but....... 
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The database reveals that Danish manufacturer Vestas can put its name to most turbines now installed in Canada, with 1,834. Vestas narrowly beat out GE, the second-largest manufacturer of installed turbines in Canada, with 1,725. German multinational Siemens can claim the third-largest manufacturing total, at 1,248.Oct. 23, 2020
The Wind Power Production Incentive program was set up to help establish wind energy in Canada by providing a financial incentive of about 1 cent per kilowatt-hour produced from the installation of up to 1,000 megawatts (MW) of new wind power capacity in Canada by 2007.Jan. 18, 2016

To continue with facts, total subsidies in Ontario to companies for green generation for the period 2020 to 2040 are projected at $15.2 billion or roughly $760 million per year.  


Long-Term Cost, 2020-21 to 2039-40

Over the life of the program, from 2020-21 to 2039-40, the FAO estimates that the renewable generation subsidy will cost the Province a net $15.2 billion.[17]

Net cost to the Province from the renewable generation subsidy program, 2020-21 to 2039-40, $ billions


$ billions

Cost of green energy contracts subsidized by the Province


Loss of provincial HST revenue


Savings from lowering the Ontario Electricity Rebate discount


Net cost to the Province


Compared to Alberta's oil and gas subsidies of $3.28 billion last year, plus $1.7 billion in federal subsidies to clean up the mess of orphaned wells, it's a bargain and it also has the side benefit of less pollution.  And, hydro generators in Ontario aren't paying out the big dividends that oil companies in Alberta are(if they do, it's much less).



A new report suggests the Alberta government subsidizes the fossil fuel industry to the tune of $2 billion per year, money the report’s authors say would be better spent on diversification and helping the province move toward renewable energy.








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Whatever happened to…..?

From the link on Green Energy…George Smitherman…Wikipedia:


but faced resistance from the leadership of the Liberal Party which considered him an unsuitable candidate for the party's nomination due to his association with the eHealth scandal as well as his reputation for being difficult and temperamental, and threatened to disqualify his candidacy.[43] In the face of this opposition, Smitherman decided not to pursue the Liberal nomination and instead focus on his municipal campaign.[44]

Instead, Georgie landed on his feet with another cushy position.


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1 hour ago, deicer said:

To continue with facts, total subsidies in Ontario to companies for green generation for the period 2020 to 2040 are projected at $15.2 billion or roughly $760 million per year.  



Your rebuttal (talking about Ontario) once again has nothing to do with my question which was about your statement complaining about foreign companies in the oil and gas industry "Still cheaper than oil and gas subsidies that go to dividends that leave the country". You of course continue to whine about the oil and gas industry yet ignore other foreign owned business (green???) that also receive subsidies. Maybe their dividends magically stay in Canada. 🙃

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South Australia takes another big leap towards 100 per cent wind and solar

The rapid transition of the South Australia grid towards a world-first target of net 100 per cent wind and solar has taken another stunning leap forward, with the amount of gas generation slashed by half, allowing wind energy to set a new record of its own.

South Australia regularly reaches levels of more than 100 per cent wind and solar  – in fact it has done that for all but three days since the start of October.

But often the amount of wind and solar that is generated has to be constrained to ensure that a certain amount of gas generation can supply “system strength” and keep the grid stable. The excess capacity is usually exported to Victoria, although small amounts are also stored in the state’s three big batteries.

However, four new machines known as “synchronous condensers” that deliver the same system strength as fossil fuel generators, without actually burning any fossil fuels, have now completed their testing, and on Thursday for the first time market authorities appeared to dial back the minimum amount of gas by half.

Market observers say that at least 220MW of gas generation has been required to keep the system stable till now, but on Thursday it was dialled back to just 120MW. In turn, this allowed wind output to be increased to a  record 128.6 per cent share of local demand at 4.15am.

south australia renewables transition South Australia output over last 24 hours. Note shrinking of gas share (in orange). Source: OpenNEM. Please click to expand.

Geoff Eldridge, who runs a data resource known as NEMLog, observed that the Australian Energy Market Operator and other bodies are now happy to run with a record low total of 120MW for South Australia gas. In this instance, it was three units at Torrens Island B, and the biggest generator, Pelican Point, switched off.

“Previously it has been around 220 to 250MW,” Eldridge says. “There is lots of SA wind at the moment, the syncons are now contributing to providing system security to SA during periods of high VRE (variable renewable energy, or wind and solar) share.”

In the immediate term that meant that there was another 100MW to 130MW of wind and/or solar that was not curtailed by the limits of the local grid and the main link to Victoria. Earlier this week, nearly half of the wind and solar produced by large scale facilities had to be curtailed.

But the bigger picture is more exciting. It shows that South Australia is edging closer – not just to an average of “net 100 per cent” wind and solar by 2030 (the state Liberal government target which it will likely be met  much earlier),but also running the grid at times with no fossil fuels at all.

That has been done on occasions in smaller off-grid locations, and on bigger grids with substantial resources of hydro or geothermal, but never at a gigawatt scale grid with just wind and solar.

wind share south australia Wind energy share in S.A. grid. Source: NEMLog. Please click to expand.

As ITK principal and Energy Insiders podcast co-host David Leitch observed on the latest episode, big batteries are demonstrating their ability to act as “virtual synchronous machines” and will likely take the place of either syncons, or gas generators, or both, in providing the necessary grid security.

This already occurs on remote networks such as in the Pilbara, where Alinta’s Mt Newman battery has removed the need for running gas generators as back up, lowering costs and emissions and improving reliability, and has on occasions provided all the synchronous capacity required.

That battery – sized at just 35MW/12MWh – is designed to do this for only short bursts. Sometime in the next few years, however, that could occur in the South Australia grid.

Big batteries on Australia’s main grid have been providing similar services.

And this cool video from Tesla (whose batteries are used in the Hornsdale, Gannawarra, and Bulgana batteries, along with the Victoria Big Battery and Wallgrove batteries now being commissioned) illustrates how this happens.

It says that software-controlled batteries are a viable alternative to traditional synchronous machines to provide the reliability and security services needed for an affordable, flexible and zero emissions electricity grid.

And getting rid of fossil fuels altogether – even for a short period of time – and relying only on wind, solar and batteries and/or syncons would be a truly stunning landmark towards a zero emissions grid.

That ground-breaking  achievement is likely to happen anyway, when the new Project EnergyConnect transmission link is completed by early 2025, and will end the need for directions for a minimum amount of gas generators to operate in most circumstances.

As another energy expert observed in a Facebook group: “Finally we are seeing real progress in SA with the lowest level of standing fossil I have seen in a long time.

“This is largely due to the partial recognition of the sync cons and batteries in the SA grid. With luck we should see this figure drop to 80MW. Then after AEMO issues new rules, this should drop further.

“There should actually be enough support in the SA grid now to cease all fossil gas generation for reasons of grid stability.”

Another simply said: “What a beautiful set of numbers?”

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Hwy. 1 between Chilliwack and Hope opens to essential traffic

By Yasmin Gandham  Global News
Posted November 21, 2021 12:10 pm

The B.C. Highway Patrol says checking to see if motorists are travelling for essential purposes only will be increased this May long weekend. B.C. RCMP

DriveBC confirming that Highway 1 is open to essential traffic only in both directions between Old Hope-Princeton Highway, Hope to east of Chilliwack.

The road remains closed from Abbotsford to Chilliwack and traffic is single lane in both directions, so expect delays.

Road crews are working to restore normal travel after last week’s flooding.C. floods: Truckers stuck in limbo as many highways remain closed

B.C. floods: Truckers stuck in limbo as many highways remain closed

Highway 7 between Agassiz and Hope is also open but restricted to essential traffic only.


The Ministry of Transportation defines essential travel to include:

-Transporting essential goods and supplies
-Transporting livestock or agricultural products
-Returning to a farm to care for animals
-Responding to search and rescue and other emergency personnel
-Urgent medical treatments
-Transporting essential personnel
-Highway repair and maintenance
-Returning to your principal home
-Assisting vulnerable or at-risk people
-Exercising an Indigenous or treaty right

With rain expected throughout the week, drivers are advised to exercise caution and watch for crews.

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Theory has now become practical.


Victoria Big Battery now registered as biggest non hydro player in FCAS market

Australia’s biggest battery installation, the Victoria Big Battery (VBB) near Geelong, has been officially registered to deliver Frequency Control Ancillary Services (FCAS), one of the key service markets in the country’s main grid.

The addition of the 300MW, 450MWh VBB – owned by Neoen, which also operates the Hornsdale Power Reserve and the Bulgana big battery – is one of the most significant developments in the market in recent years as it becomes the biggest non hydro player in the market, and the fourth largest overall.

It remains to be seen exactly what impact the VBB will have on the market, but the sheer scale and the flexibility it can deliver by changing course in a matter of milliseconds will likely mean it has an outsized influence. Much will depend on Neoen’s operating strategy.

The registration list was updated by the Australian Energy Market Operator on Tuesday, confirming that the VBB is now to registered to provide 300MW into the Lower Frequency Regulation market as a generator and 250MW into the Raise Frequency Regulation market as load.

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Both of these services are critical to enabling greater penetration of variable renewable generation into the market.

For instance, when solar or wind generation is high and pushing frequency higher, VBB will be able to provide critical load to lower the frequency, and when solar and wind drop off,  VBB will provide generation to raise the frequency.

The registration follows several weeks of testing and commissioning, which was initially delayed after a fire in two of its Tesla Megapacks in late July set the process back by several months.

The VBB has a contract with AEMO to deliver 250MW and 125MWh of its capacity at peak times to upgrade the limits on the main transmission link between Victoria and NSW. Its ability to respond instantly to any outages or other incidents will allow AEMO to operate that link at or near full capacity.

Australia already has six big batteries in operation, with another three – the VBB, the Wallgrove battery in NSW and the Wandoan battery in Queensland in varying stages of commissioning.

The batteries have already seized a sizeable share of the FCAS market, and according to an AEMO report in 2018 delivered services that were “both rapid and precise, compared to the service typically provided by a conventional synchronous generation unit”.

he big batteries are now moving into new markets, with a newly created fast frequency response market due to begin in 2023, and providing new services such as synthetic inertia and providing system strength in “virtual machine mode.”

This latter is considered a crucial element of a grid that will see a rapid decline of coal and gas units in the coming decade. As we report elsewhere today, ARENA is about to launch a new funding round to ensure that the VMM capabilities are rolled out at scale to complement the increase in wind and solar.

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I think people are taking this the wrong way.


Given the current state of media induced madness, this is prophecy not threat. Provinces and states are declaring  climate emergencies, presidents and prime ministers are talking about existential threats, AOC says we’re all dead in 7 years. We are radicalizing people… narratives and an unhinged media have produced a new religion and like other religions, it too has holy warriors.

He’s right, maybe not for the reason he says, but he's right and should be heeded… he won’t be.

I'm convinced that if you’re a public figure and you tell people the truth it will blow back in your face. In other words, the public doesn’t want the truth, they won’t believe the truth, they won’t reward it and they won’t vote for it. 

Here's another bit of truth, Canada won't hit its incremental emission goals and JT knows it.... so do you. You also know why, Canadians are simply not up to the economic and personal hardship it would take to do it. They now have the inflation and gas prices they voted for, it's a fraction of what's required and they already don't like it.


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Finally, it's being recognized about the outflow of the Atlantic Ocean into the Arctic Ocean affecting both ocean temperatures and salinity in Arctic waters:


And...the climate scientists "may have it wrong."



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When Trudeau's eco-extremist environment minister Steven Guilbeault wanted to go to Glasgow, a private jet was good for him.

But when asked to speak to Canadians about his plans, he said that he might visit "by train" to "set an example."

What an insult to Canadians!


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But...but...it's climate change caused by humans!!  


Terence Corcoran: A human mistake — Why the B.C. floods are not a climate change issue 

Instead of preparing for the floods, B.C. and Ottawa spent most of the last few decades revving up the long-range aspects of climate change alarm

“ Before We Lost the Lake is filled with evidence of the seemingly futile hundred-year human struggle to tame Sumas Lake by draining it of water and turning it into fertile prairie, a never-ending battle to build and re-build dikes and infrastructure in the face of recurring flood episodes of varying magnitudes going back centuries. Sumas and areas south of the United States border have experienced so-called 100-year floods in 1908-1909 and 1932. Floods ranked as 35-year events occurred in 1945, 1949,1955,1975, and 1990. At least a dozen others are on the record.”

“ Despite recurring floods over the past century, the political belief that the flood risk had been or soon could be brought under control prevailed. It has long proved to be a false hope, accompanied by persistent warnings from engineers and others.

Reimer accepts that climate change poses current and future risks, but he holds another, perhaps deeper, perspective. Maybe the whole lake drainage project — which approaches its 100th anniversary — is a great human error. In an interview, Reimer portrayed Sumas as a case of human overreach based on the belief that nature can be conquered. “We thought we solved the problem of the flooding with the draining of the lake and the diking, but we didn’t.”




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CRAIG: David Suzuki's carbon footprint is immense

Author of the article:
Colin Craig
Publishing date:
Apr 30, 2018  •  April 30, 2018  •  2 minute read  •   Join the conversation


David Suzuki gestures as he speaks at the Clean Energy B.C. annual conference in Vancouver, B.C., on Monday October 29, 2012. David Suzuki gestures as he speaks at the Clean Energy B.C. annual conference in Vancouver, B.C., on Monday October 29, 2012. PHOTO BY DARRYL DYCK /THE CANADIAN PRESS

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David Suzuki has spent years telling Canadians that we all need to pay carbon taxes and reduce our carbon footprint. Yet, Suzuki himself loves to travel and has a massive carbon footprint. 


But before we discuss his global adventures, consider what the David Suzuki Foundation’s website notes about air travel: “Air travel leaves behind a huge carbon footprint.” The site goes on to note that people should “try vacationing closer to home” or “stay in touch with people by videoconferencing…” to help “stop climate change.”

Now consider that in 2014 Suzuki did a farewell tour across Canada. It was supposed to be his “ last national tour ” according to the CBC. That tour included “20 stops from St. John’s to Vancouver.” 

As Suzuki was 78 at the time, it’s probably safe to assume he didn’t walk across the country. This begs the question – why didn’t he take his own Foundation’s advice and video conference instead?


Since that “last national tour” in 2014, we calculated that Suzuki has made at least eight more trips to cities in Ontario , four trips to Montreal, he has visited Winnipeg a couple times, Atlantic Canada twice and Calgary at least once. 

Many of these trips appear to have been public speaking appearances. One agency notes he charges $30,000 to $50,000 per appearance so it’s easy to see why he might be so driven.

But that’s just Canada … Suzuki has also been to Japan, Hong Kong and Australia too. 

Interestingly enough, while the Toronto Sun noted Suzuki owned four properties back in 2013 , The Guardian indicated in 2017 that Suzuki owns a home in Australia as well 

What could be worse for the environment – at least according to Suzuki’s standards – than owning a nice little getaway on the other side of the world?


On top of those trips, we also found that Suzuki has done a few overseas documentaries for the CBC recently as well. He travelled to Egypt for a documentary on the Pyramids and one in Italy titled Obsession with Manners, Fashion, and Beauty : Pompeii’s People Revealed . In New York, Suzuki shot a documentary on Jumbo the elephant .

Back in 2016, the National Post ran a story that asked Suzuki about his travel. Suzuki claimed he purchases carbon offsets for all his travel, but conceded, “This is just to compensate for what I’ve put out – it doesn’t mean I’ve reduced my footprint.”

But isn’t that the point? Suzuki and his Foundation want everyone else to reduce their emissions so that Canada’s overall emissions go down – not merely to stabilize.


Suzuki’s travel history only contributes to questions being raised about why the University of Alberta is set to award this carbon tax warrior an honorary degree in science ? By Suzuki’s own standards, he too is a threat to the environment.

In a recent interview , Suzuki indicated his favourite line is something his dad taught him – “You are what you do, not what you say.”

Yes, Mr. Suzuki, you’re a capitalist who enjoys wealth, travel and activities that emit lots of carbon dioxide. You’re not the environmentalist you claim to be.

Colin Craig is the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

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