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2 hours ago, deicer said:

Then we'd all truly be equal.

 

Nope- Quebec would be down their yearly 11 BILLION dollars!

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5 hours ago, QFE said:

Nope- Quebec would be down their yearly 11 BILLION dollars!

You're right.

Still only a quarter of what Alberta would be down.

 

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2 hours ago, deicer said:

You're right.

Still only a quarter of what Alberta would be down.

 

Exactly what are you smoking? More and more you seem to be guilty of  obfuscation and I am not sure how your comments re Alberta crept into this topic

However to set the record straight:

 https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/of-course-alberta-is-getting-fleeced-by-ottawa-just-not-in-the-way-you-think

Albertans pay $21.8 billion more in taxes than they get back, but the equalization program isn’t to blame

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How well do you think Alberta will do with it's one trick pony economy?  The Americans are pumping oil so fast right now it has made Alberta crude worth what?

Imagine how much it will be worth when they can't get it to market.

And if you feel Ottawa is taking too much in tax, plan a boycott.  Don't buy anything for a year and cut off the drain.

Or revolt and stop sending the money.  

Take action.

 

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https://splinternews.com/how-fossil-fuel-money-made-climate-denial-the-word-of-g-1797466298

Conservative groups, funded by fossil fuel magnates, spend approximately one billion dollars every year interfering with public understanding of what is actually happening to our world. Most of that money—most of the fraction of it that can be tracked, anyway—goes to think tanks that produce policy papers and legislative proposals favorable to donors’ interests, super PACs that support politicians friendly to industry or oppose those who are not, or mercenary lobbyists and consultants, in some instances employing the same people who fought to suppress the science on smoking. In terms of impact, however, few investments can rival the return that the conservative donor class has gotten from the small cohort of evangelical theologians and scholars whose work has provided scriptural justifications for apocalyptic geopolitics and economic rapaciousness.

The pull of fossil-fuel interests and the religious right is so strong that even conservative politicians who privately believe climate change is caused by humans have kept that view secret. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat from Rhode Island, has said that he knows of at least a dozen Republicans in the Senate who accept climate science and want to take action, but feel they can’t do so for fear of the political repercussions—despite the fact that recent polling shows a majority of Republican voters believe that the United States “should play a leading role” on climate action. Half a dozen politically connected evangelical Christians who are active on Capitol Hill backed up Whitehouse’s claim to Splinter, saying they have either first- or second-hand experience with politicians who admit in private that they accept climate science even as they oppose regulations and reforms in public.

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42 minutes ago, deicer said:

How well do you think Alberta will do with it's one trick pony economy?  The Americans are pumping oil so fast right now it has made Alberta crude worth what?

Imagine how much it will be worth when they can't get it to market.

And if you feel Ottawa is taking too much in tax, plan a boycott.  Don't buy anything for a year and cut off the drain.

Or revolt and stop sending the money.  

Take action.

 

Re Americans, I see they want a piece of the Syrian oil.  https://globalnews.ca/news/6089634/trump-syria-oil-companies/

However my initial comment stands and when you talk about a "one trick pony" are you going to talk about the automotive industry in Ontario?

Overview:  Auto manufacturing regularly contributes over $20 billion to Canadian GDP1  Nationally, auto and parts production accounts for about 16.8% of manufacturing sales 2

 

Re getting the oil to market, that is not a problem as the US is wide open to our oil but of course at a discount which then takes $$$$ from all of Canada in direct or taxation revenue, but I guess you are OK with that?  

How much does oil contribute to Canada's GDP?
The answers may surprise you. The production and delivery of oil products, natural gas and electricity in Canada contributes about $170 billion to Canada's $1.8 trillion gross domestic product (GDP), or just under 10%.
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Exactly what are you smoking? More and more you seem to be guilty of  obfuscation and I am not sure how your comments re Alberta crept into this topic

 

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Alberta wildfires Trudeau blamed on climate change caused by arson....Trudeau claimed that his carbon tax would prevent forest fires

 

The massive wildfire in Northern Alberta that torched 2730 square kilometres earlier this year was caused by arson according to the RCMP.

The fire, which burned from May 18 to July 1 before it could be contained, resulted in the evacuation of several communities and first nations in Northern Alberta. Authorities are now looking for witnesses to the crime.

Out of the hundreds of fires that occurred in Alberta in 2019, the McMillan fire caused 31% of all damage to the province’s forests.

“To the families affected by this wildfire who were evacuated, and the forest industry who suffered losses, we will find the person responsible for the McMillian wildfire,” Alberta Forestry Minister Devin Dreeshen said.

“This is an important step in helping to build trust in Alberta’s justice system.”

In the wake of the wildfires, the Alberta government announced that they will be providing $30 million in disaster relief.

The conclusion that one of Alberta’s largest forest fires in 2019 was started by arson conflicts with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s claims that climate change is the real culprit.

Trudeau has said he believes forest fires are caused by global warming.

He said that people will have to live with the “new reality” climate change has brought in.

“To make sure that we learn how to protect people, how to protect livelihoods, and how we adjust to what is, unfortunately, a new reality of more extreme weather events across the province, across the country, and around the world,” Trudeau said last year.

Despite not having conclusive evidence, Trudeau claimed that his carbon tax would prevent forest fires.

“Extreme weather events are extraordinarily expensive for Canadians, our communities and our economy,” he said.

“We need to be taking real action to prevent climate change. That’s why we’re moving forward on a price on pollution right across the country, despite the fact that Conservative politicians are trying to push back against that.”

This claim was echoed by Environment Minister Catherine McKenna, blasting the then newly elected Jason Kenney for ending the carbon tax, essentially claiming that his government was contributing to forest fires.

These kinds of predictions of impending calamity caused by climate change have so far been left unsubstantiated by both current observations and past records.

 

https://tnc.news/2019/10/31/alberta-wildfires-trudeau-blamed-on-climate-change-caused-by-arson/

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That very conclusion of arson  was suggested by a poster on the AE forum after the fires broke out....he indicated it happened every season as the locals would be employed to help put out the fires.

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IATA chief says aviation industry will counter flight shaming movement

Tue Nov 5, 2019 - Reuters
by Ahmed Hagagy

The aviation industry is to launch a campaign it hopes will counter a ‘flight shaming’ movement that has weakened demand for air travel in Europe where some travellers are increasingly concerned about their environmental impact.

The industry’s image has been damaged this year by a growing Swedish-born movement led by activists such as teenager Greta Thunberg calling for greater action against climate change, including ditching air travel.

Global lobby International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents nearly 300 airlines, is co-ordinating the campaign which will involve industry stakeholders.

“We will launch a very, very big campaign ... to explain what we have done, what we are doing, and what we intend to do in the future,” IATA’s head Alexandre de Juniac told Reuters in an interview in Kuwait on Tuesday.

The campaign will try to explain to the public how the industry is reducing its environmental impact, countering what de Juniac said had been “misleading information.”

IATA is co-ordinating the plan through the Air Transport Action Group, a coalition of industry organizations and companies.

De Juniac did not say when the campaign would launch but said it would be available to stakeholders across the industry including airports and airlines.

Flight shaming has dented demand in Europe, particularly in northern parts but also in the United Kingdom, France, and Germany.

“It’s difficult to measure and beyond European borders we have seen nothing but it will come,” de Juniac said.

Commercial flying accounts for about 2.5% of global carbon emissions today but without concrete steps to alleviate the problem, that number could rise as global air travel increases.

The aviation industry has already cut carbon emissions from each plane traveller in half since 1990, largely thanks to more fuel-efficient aircraft, and has a plan to cut net emissions by 2050 and achieve carbon-neutral growth from 2020.

Airlines have warned of the negative impact of the flight shaming movement and some have criticized the industry for so far failing to explain itself.

Emirates President Tim Clark said in October the industry had to do a better job addressing the issue, highlighting improvements in technology that have reduced the carbon footprint of aircraft.

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climate change will kill the (western) world economy LOOOOONG beofre is kills any inhabitants of the planet

 

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/11000-scientists-just-kidding.php

11,000 SCIENTISTS? JUST KIDDING

Earlier this week, the world’s news media reported breathlessly that 11,000 scientists had issued a report contending that the Earth faces a “climate emergency.” NBC News, to cite just one example, described a “study” produced by an “international consortium of more than 11,000 scientists.” This screen shot of a Google search illustrates the coverage:

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Actually, there was no study, there was just a press release. And it wasn’t 11,000 scientists, it was 11,000 random people who put their names on a web page. But today’s reporters are so biased and so incompetent that when it comes to “climate change,” they will swallow anything.

This video by Canada’s Ezra Levant is a little long, but it makes the point very well. Another day, another global warming fraud:

 

 

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Californian Fires Caused by....Climate Change....RIGHT ???...........W. R O N G !!

 

Pacific Gas & Electric Co. (PG&E) power lines have caused over 1,500 California wildfires in the last six years, including the deadliest blaze in the state's history. Many critics, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom, accuse PG&E of prioritizing profits over safety measures for decades.

 

 

  • Pacific Gas & Electric Co. power lines have caused more than 1,500 California wildfires in the past six years, including the deadliest blaze in the state's history.
  • Many critics, including Gov. Gavin Newsom, have accused PG&E of prioritizing profits over safety measures for decades.
  • The company has filed for bankruptcy, and it recently started cutting power to millions of Californians to keep power lines from sparking in dry, windy conditions.
  • Many Californians think they should never have been faced with the choice between multiday blackouts and deadly fires.
  • Here's what experts say PG&E should have done years ago, from better tree trimming to power-line upgrades.
  • Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Over the past week, the Kincade Fire has torn through nearly 78,000 acres of California wine country, forcing about 180,000 people to evacuate. At the same time, millions have gone without electricity, often for days at a time.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pge-caused-california-wildfires-safety-measures-2019-10

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4 hours ago, Jaydee said:

Californian Fires Caused by....Climate Change....RIGHT ???...........W. R O N G !!

 

Pacific Gas & Electric Co. (PG&E) power lines have caused over 1,500 California wildfires in the last six years, including the deadliest blaze in the state's history. Many critics, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom, accuse PG&E of prioritizing profits over safety measures for decades.

 

 

  • Pacific Gas & Electric Co. power lines have caused more than 1,500 California wildfires in the past six years, including the deadliest blaze in the state's history.
  • Many critics, including Gov. Gavin Newsom, have accused PG&E of prioritizing profits over safety measures for decades.
  • The company has filed for bankruptcy, and it recently started cutting power to millions of Californians to keep power lines from sparking in dry, windy conditions.
  • Many Californians think they should never have been faced with the choice between multiday blackouts and deadly fires.
  • Here's what experts say PG&E should have done years ago, from better tree trimming to power-line upgrades.
  • Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Over the past week, the Kincade Fire has torn through nearly 78,000 acres of California wine country, forcing about 180,000 people to evacuate. At the same time, millions have gone without electricity, often for days at a time.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/pge-caused-california-wildfires-safety-measures-2019-10

PG&E, the same company made infamous by Erin Brockovich.

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Canadian carbon guilt belongs in a parallel universe

Planet Canada is internally obsessed with our emissions as though we exist in complete isolation in this world.

As the political convulsions within Canada over Alberta’s fossil fuel future unfold, including divisive talk of separation and Wexit, one has to wonder what alternative planet Canadians inhabit. After an election filled with emergency calls to end fossil fuel use within a decade or two, the country that was built on natural resources is now being torn apart over whether to build a pipeline to carry a few driblets of oil through the Trans Mountain pipeline to the West Coast.

Driblets is the right word in the context of Planet Earth. Global oil production may already exceed 100 million barrels a day. The additional volume of oil to be delivered through the proposed TMX expansion line — about 600,000 barrels a day — is equivalent to 0.6 per cent of global production. By way of comparison, imagine standing in front of a supermarket aisle of 2,000 cans of beer; proportionately, TMX would add two six-packs.

While Planet Earth is cranking out more and more oil and other fossil fuels, Planet Canada is off in another orbit, internally obsessed with carbon emissions as though it exists in complete isolation, as if the future of global energy and emissions somehow depended on what Canada does. No other region is engaging in serious internal battles to curtail production of fossil fuels. In fact, on Planet Earth the opposite trends prevail.

A roundup of the latest energy news highlights global developments that are in stark contrast to the Planet Canada quagmire.

Africa

Few regions illustrate the global reality more than Africa, where government officials see fossil fuels as essential to economic salvation and to development that has long eluded the continent. “Under no circumstances are we going to be apologizing” for expanding and exploiting oil production, said Gabriel Obiang Lima, the energy minister of Equatorial Guinea. The country has big plans to use oil as a foundation for economic growth and jobs. “Anybody out of the continent saying we should not develop those fields, that is criminal,” said the minister at the Africa Oil Week convention last week in Cape Town. He was responding to Extinction Rebellion activists who called delegates to the convention criminals. At the Africa Oil Week conference underway Monday, ministers outlined their determination to move forward with fossil fuel exploration, transportation and refineries. “Why should we import gas from Russia when we can develop it here,” said one minister.

The median age across Africa is 19, which means that hundreds of millions of young people will be seeking a better life, one that fossil fuels can deliver.

Iran

 

Global conflicts in the Middle East have failed to curb the region as a fossil fuel powerhouse. In the midst of its sanctions battle with the United States, Iran announced the other day that it has discovered a new oil field in the country containing an estimated 53 billion barrels of crude oil. If that number stands up, Iran’s total reserves would jump to more than 200 billion barrels and knock Canada down to fourth place in global oil reserve rankings.

Much of Canada’s reserves — estimated at 170 billion barrels — are in more-expensive-to-develop oilsands. While Canada bickers over plans to dribble oil through a pipeline to the west coast, Iran is planning for eventual post-sanction expansion of its ability to export more oil.

India

Canada boasts that it has reduced coal usage. Other parts of the world, however, continue as major consumers. In India, ambitious plans to turn to renewable energy are overshadowed by the reality that India is home to the world’s largest coal mining company with big expansion objectives. While coal consumption has declined this year, a Brookings study concluded that “coal will remain the dominant fuel for electricity generation in India through 2030 and beyond.” India’s minister of coals and mines said recently that Coal India, the government-owned national producer, aimed to boost output to one billion tonnes a year from about 700 million tonnes currently.

China

With 1.4 billion people, a large percentage in poverty, China shows no sign of curbing consumption or production of fossil fuels. As the world’s largest coal user, China still continues to expand facilities, despite the country’s alleged commitment to the vague and unenforceable requirements of the Paris climate agreement.

Saudi Arabia

Canada and other countries supposedly face investor divestment risks as big institutions seek to green-up their portfolios and get rid of fossil fuels. Investors are said to be pulling back from Canada and Alberta, in part because of the overall investment environment.

Meanwhile, as Encana leaves Canada, Saudi Arabia is preparing to sell off shares in Aramco, the country’s national oil company. In a release this past weekend, the government outlined elements of an Initial Public Offering. The value of the sale and other details will not be released until December, but if an Aramco share sale does take place it would fly in the face of the growing green investment movement’s attempts to curb the flow of funds into fossil fuel corporations.

United States

On Monday, Texas reported nearly 20-per-cent year-over-year increases in oil and gas production for August. Alberta oil output increased two per cent in September. Between 2013 and 2018, Texas oil output increased 70 per cent. Alberta oil production during the same period increased 27 per cent. The United States has expanded fossil fuel exports in recent years, a function of deliberate policy moves by a succession of U.S. governments.

In summary

As Planet Earth charges ahead with fossil fuel expansions, Planet Canada seems to be lost in another universe.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-canadian-carbon-guilt-belongs-in-a-parallel-universe

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/forest-fires-glyphosate-1.5366185

This has been an issue for years, there are others too and in combination they all add up. It rarely gets mentioned, good to see the CBC put it out in the public domain for consideration. If anyone else were to even mention it, there would be immediate strident screams of "climate denier." That said, there are practical reasons for  doing it and the days of selective harvesting are gone for good; my uncle used horses, no longer very practical I guess but he milled the lumber as well.

Anyone wondering why these climate change discussions get little traction with "country folk" should read this. The country folk will shrug and say "what did you think was going to happen?" It's only recently that the Ministry has started (actually) listening to fur trappers and hunters who actually get out and see whats going on... a good thing IMO.  

 

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The human cost of the “green“ movement the Left doesn’t want to talk about...


“Child miners aged four living a hell on Earth so YOU can drive an electric car: Awful human cost in squalid Congo cobalt mine that Michael Gove didn’t consider in his ‘clean’ energy crusade

  • Sky News investigated the Katanga mines and found Dorsen, 8, and Monica, 4
  • The pair were working in the vast mines of the Democratic Republic of Congo
  • They are two of the 40,000 children working daily in the mines, checking rocks for cobalt

 

 

Picking through a mountain of huge rocks with his tiny bare hands, the exhausted little boy makes a pitiful sight.

His name is Dorsen and he is one of an army of children, some just four years old, working in the vast polluted mines of the Democratic Republic of Congo, where toxic red dust burns their eyes, and they run the risk of skin disease and a deadly lung condition. Here, for a wage of just 8p a day, the children are made to check the rocks for the tell-tale chocolate-brown streaks of cobalt – the prized ingredient essential for the batteries that power electric cars.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764208/Child-miners-aged-four-living-hell-Earth.html

 

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