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An informal, wildly anecdotal poll of my hardcore Liberal acquaintances shows that OAC and "the green new deal" are both met with eye rolls and head shakes. None of them were willing to answer how food will be grown (in sufficient quantities) and transported (over long distances) following a ban on fossil fuels and general aviation.

Maybe someone here can help me out.... any takers?

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None of them were willing to answer how food will be grown (in sufficient quantities) and transported (over long distances) following a ban on fossil fuels and general aviation.

Maybe someone here can help me out.... any takers?

Re food, I guess the only answer will be to plow in all lawns and grow crops instead.  Back to the time of backyard chicken coops and of course a home grown meat animal.  Root cellers will also be a must and forget about out of season produce from other countries / regions.  …  The pain, the pain with little gain. 😀

 

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However if you choose that route and take the step to generate your own power by wind or solar and collect rain water to use as potable water the government will step in and stop you.  Kind of counter intuitive.  Big Green plan and when someone goes fully green the government stops them.  The green plan only works if the government gets the kickbacks.

 

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17 hours ago, Malcolm said:

the only answer will be to plow in all lawns and grow crops instead. 

I say we start with golf courses.... too much good farmland going to waste, too many trees cut down, to much chemical fertilizer and pesticides, and too many people driving too many miles to chase a little white ball. Food security and all that.

Maybe I should start campaigning against other people's hobbies eh? And clearly, golf clubs need to be registered to keep them out of terrorist hands:

https://torontosun.com/2017/06/07/alleged-golf-club-attacker-claimed-she-was-from-isis-source/wcm/04d0e0de-c0aa-43ab-8c1b-0c7b406cdd39

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To all the school kids going on 'strike' for Climate Change:


You are the first generation who have required air-conditioning in every classroom. 


You want TV in every room and your classes are all computerized


You spend all day and night on electronic devices. 


More than ever, you don't walk or ride bikes to school but arrive in caravans of private cars that choke local roads and worsen rush hour traffic.


You are the biggest consumers of manufactured goods ever and update perfectly good expensive luxury items to stay trendy,


Your entertainment comes from electric devices.


Furthermore, the people driving your protests are the same people who insist on artificially inflating the population growth through immigration, which increases the need for energy, manufacturing and transport.


The more people we have, the more forest and bushland we clear and more of the environment is destroyed.


How about this... 


Tell your teachers to switch off the air-con. 
Walk or ride to school. Switch off your devices and read a book. 
Make a sandwich instead of buying manufactured fast food.
No, none of this will happen because you are selfish, badly educated, virtue signalling little 'princesses', inspired by the adults around you who crave a feeling of having a 'noble cause' while they indulge themselves in Western luxury and unprecedented quality of life.
Wake up, grow up and learn to research facts and think for yourself and not blindly accept the words and thoughts of others - I don't think you formulated this action plan all by your self - suspect you may have had some influence and  'guidance' from those you trust ....a word of warning, be cautious of the influence of the 'left' because there may be a time in the future that you will be the ones left out...
 

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To all the school kids going on 'strike' for Climate Change:


You are the first generation who have required air-conditioning in every classroom. 


You want TV in every room and your classes are all computerized


You spend all day and night on electronic devices. 


More than ever, you don't walk or ride bikes to school but arrive in caravans of private cars that choke local roads and worsen rush hour traffic.


You are the biggest consumers of manufactured goods ever and update perfectly good expensive luxury items to stay trendy,


Your entertainment comes from electric devices.


Furthermore, the people driving your protests are the same people who insist on artificially inflating the population growth through immigration, which increases the need for energy, manufacturing and transport.


The more people we have, the more forest and bushland we clear and more of the environment is destroyed.


How about this... 


Tell your teachers to switch off the air-con. 
Walk or ride to school. Switch off your devices and read a book. 
Make a sandwich instead of buying manufactured fast food.
No, none of this will happen because you are selfish, badly educated, virtue signalling little 'princesses', inspired by the adults around you who crave a feeling of having a 'noble cause' while they indulge themselves in Western luxury and unprecedented quality of life.
Wake up, grow up and learn to research facts and think for yourself and not blindly accept the words and thoughts of others - I don't think you formulated this action plan all by your self - suspect you may have had some influence and  'guidance' from those you trust ....a word of warning, be cautious of the influence of the 'left' because there may be a time in the future that you will be the ones left out...
 

The previous comments should be directed to the parents and not their children.  …………………………………………..  🤬

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11 hours ago, Jaydee said:

https://www.facebook.com/669514516/posts/10158449515914517?sfns=mo

 

To all the school kids going on 'strike' for Climate Change:


You are the first generation who have required air-conditioning in every classroom. 


You want TV in every room and your classes are all computerized


You spend all day and night on electronic devices. 


More than ever, you don't walk or ride bikes to school but arrive in caravans of private cars that choke local roads and worsen rush hour traffic.


You are the biggest consumers of manufactured goods ever and update perfectly good expensive luxury items to stay trendy,


Your entertainment comes from electric devices.


Furthermore, the people driving your protests are the same people who insist on artificially inflating the population growth through immigration, which increases the need for energy, manufacturing and transport.


The more people we have, the more forest and bushland we clear and more of the environment is destroyed.


How about this... 


Tell your teachers to switch off the air-con. 
Walk or ride to school. Switch off your devices and read a book. 
Make a sandwich instead of buying manufactured fast food.
No, none of this will happen because you are selfish, badly educated, virtue signalling little 'princesses', inspired by the adults around you who crave a feeling of having a 'noble cause' while they indulge themselves in Western luxury and unprecedented quality of life.
Wake up, grow up and learn to research facts and think for yourself and not blindly accept the words and thoughts of others - I don't think you formulated this action plan all by your self - suspect you may have had some influence and  'guidance' from those you trust ....a word of warning, be cautious of the influence of the 'left' because there may be a time in the future that you will be the ones left out...
 

Created by the Baby Boomer Generation.  Place the blame where the blame is due.

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Nelson: Yes, David Suzuki, you are what you do

If indeed all politics is local, then surely all carbon footprints are correspondingly individual.

After all, the vast majority of us have two feet, which we use to plod about this earth using energy in various forms and differing degrees.

So can you imagine anything more individually wasteful in burning such energy — with those resulting carbon emissions — than buying and using a holiday home on the other side of the planet?

Equally, can you imagine anything more hypocritical as turning around to lecture other folk about the dreadful environmental damage caused by burning various oils, including, of course, jet fuel?

OK, this isn’t your neighbour we’re discussing here. Nope, instead let’s have a round of hearty applause for that environmental steward, that golly-gosh green giant of Canadian cultural fame, that University of Alberta anointed mega-star, the one and the only David Suzuki.

 

Likely it won’t surprise many Calgarians to learn Suzuki, who has made an extremely good living berating the hoi polloi for their collective, wasteful lifestyles, let slip he’s owned a holiday apartment in Australia for years.

Now if we assume the 82-year-old doesn’t jump from the dock of one of his many B.C. homes and swim the Pacific Ocean to that Port Douglas abode in the Land Down Under, then the carbon footprint involved in a 26,000-kilometre return aircraft trip is staggering.

Just as staggering is the wilful hypocrisy of making such a well-heeled living courtesy of the whole environmental movement, despite being an individual chewing up far more resources than regular Canucks.

That’s what riles people. Regardless of whether you believe the planet’s warming is due to accumulated carbon dioxide or not — I lean that way, but then I once believed Pluto was a planet and the universe’s expansion was slowing because scientists told me such was so — most folk have lives to live and families to provide for.

Which is why people pick employment over the environment. My father’s lungs were a third full of coal dust after 49 years down the pit, but even in retirement there he was, down on the picket line, trying to stop his colliery closing. He knew what it meant to those far younger than him. The environment? Well, that was for rich people to worry about.

But David Suzuki will never understand that. To him and his ilk, this is a morally feel-good game, albeit a richly rewarding one. What better gig than to feel superior yet own five homes in the process? Heck, the U of A should have given the old dodger an honorary degree in snake oil salesmanship.

Just how deep this goes is evident in a recent answer to one of those puffball 20 lame question features that fawning publications reserve for the cultural elite, helping burnish their respective haloes along with the already inflated egos.

What’s the best line you have ever written?” Suzuki was asked, oh so incisively.

“I just repeat what my dad taught me: You are what you do, not what you say,” his answer.

Well, if dad were alive today one imagines Suzuki the Elder would think his offspring an international property developer, rather than the green movement’s answer to Mother Theresa.

And don’t assume when he nips off for a much-needed break to Aussie-land Suzuki is content to dip his tired tootsies in the warm ocean whilst humming Waltzing Matilda.

Heck no: he’s lecturing their citizens and politicians with the same zest he’s perfected here in our Great White North.

When then prime minister Tony Abbott axed a carbon tax, Suzuki figured he should be tossed in the slammer for criminal negligence.

Sound familiar? It should, because once he wanted Stephen Harper similarly jailed for willful blindness over the Canadian PM’s environmental record.

Hey, better yet: Harper could have been shipped in irons to Botany Bay. Then Suzuki could have paid him a visit to break up those dreary vacation blahs. Suitably carrying a green salad for the cameras.

 

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/nelson-yes-david-suzuki-you-are-what-you-do

 

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One of the fastest shrinking Greenland glaciers is growing again, NASA says

A natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters likely caused the glacier to reverse course

glacier.1.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=604A fishing boat navigates past icebergs that broke off from the Jakobshavn Glacier on July 23, 2013 in Ilulissat, Greenland.Joe Raedle/Getty Images
By Seth Borenstein.

WASHINGTON — A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a new NASA study finds.

The Jakobshavn (YA-cob-shawv-en) glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles (3 kilometres) and thinning nearly 130 feet (almost 40 metres) annually. But it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years, according to a study in Monday’s Nature Geoscience . Study authors and outside scientists think this is temporary.

“That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system,” said Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientist Jason Box. “The good news is that it’s a reminder that it’s not necessarily going that fast. But it is going.”

Box, who wasn’t part of the study, said Jakobshavn is “arguably the most important Greenland glacier because it discharges the most ice in the northern hemisphere. For all of Greenland, it is king.”

A natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters likely caused the glacier to reverse course, said study lead author Ala Khazendar, a NASA glaciologist on the Oceans Melting Greenland (OMG) project. Khazendar and colleagues say this coincides with a flip of the North Atlantic Oscillation — a natural and temporary cooling and warming of parts of the ocean that is like a distant cousin to El Nino in the Pacific.

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/big-u-turn-key-melting-greenland-glacier-is-growing-again

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Greenpeace Founder: Global Warming Hoax Pushed by Corrupt Scientists ‘Hooked on Government Grants’

Greenpeace co-founder and former president of Greenpeace Canada Patrick Moore described the cynical and corrupt machinations fueling the narrative of anthropocentric global warming and “climate change” in a Wednesday interview on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Tonight with hosts Rebecca Mansour and Joel Pollak.

Moore explained how fear and guilt are leveraged by proponents of climate change:

 

Fear has been used all through history to gain control of people’s minds and wallets and all else, and the climate catastrophe is strictly a fear campaign — well, fear and guilt — you’re afraid you’re killing your children because you’re driving them in your SUV and emitting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and you feel guilty for doing that. There’s no stronger motivation than those two.

Scientists are co-opted and corrupted by politicians and bureaucracies invested in advancing the narrative of “climate change” in order to further centralize political power and control, explained Moore.

Moore noted how “green” companies parasitize taxpayers via favorable regulations and subsidies ostensibly justified by the aforementioned narrative’s claimed threats, all while enjoying propagandistic protection across news media”

And so you’ve got the green movement creating stories that instill fear in the public. You’ve got the media echo chamber — fake news — repeating it over and over and over again to everybody that they’re killing their children. And then you’ve got the green politicians who are buying scientists with government money to produce fear for them in the form of scientific-looking materials. And then you’ve got the green businesses, the rent-seekers, and the crony capitalists who are taking advantage of massive subsidies, huge tax write-offs, and government mandates requiring their technologies to make a fortune on this. And then, of course, you’ve got the scientists who are willingly, they’re basically hooked on government grants.

When they talk about the 99 percent consensus [among scientists] on climate change, that’s a completely ridiculous and false number. But most of the scientists — put it in quotes, scientists — who are pushing this catastrophic theory are getting paid by public money, they are not being paid by General Electric or Dupont or 3M to do this research, where private companies expect to get something useful from their research that might produce a better product and make them a profit in the end because people want it — build a better mousetrap type of idea. But most of what these so-called scientists are doing is simply producing more fear so that politicians can use it to control people’s minds and get their votes because some of the people are convinced, ‘Oh, this politician can save my kid from certain doom.’

The narrative of anthropogenic global warming or “climate change” is an existential threat to reason, warned Moore:

It is the biggest lie since people thought the Earth was at the center of the universe. This is Galileo-type stuff. If you remember, Galileo discovered that the sun was at the center of the solar system and the Earth revolved around it. He was sentenced to death by the Catholic Church, and only because he recanted was he allowed to live in house arrest for the rest of his life.

So this was around the beginning of what we call the Enlightenment, when science became the way in which we gained knowledge instead of using superstition and instead of using invisible demons and whatever else, we started to understand that you have to have observation of actual events and then you have to repeat those observations over and over again, and that is basically the scientific method.

“But this abomination that is occurring today in the climate issue is the biggest threat to the Enlightenment that has occurred since Galileo,” declared Moore. “Nothing else comes close to it. This is as bad a thing that has happened o science in the history of science.”

Moore concluded, “It’s taking over science with superstition and a kind of toxic combination of religion and political ideology. There is no truth to this. It is a complete hoax and scam.”

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Here's the latest out of Hogwarts:

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/canada/canada-warming-twice-as-fast-as-rest-of-the-world-scientific-report-shows/wcm/22677c8d-b4c5-4b3f-a41a-bff79abe9003

Mind you, it's dated April 1.

Coincidence it is published the same day as the Tax Grab went into effect?

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2 hours ago, Moon The Loon said:

Coincidence it is published the same day as the Tax Grab went into effect?

Not a coincidence IMO, more like planned. Deflect, deflect, deflect...change the channel from the T A X being FORCED on Canadians for no good reason other than to support his SJW causes.

Go Scheer GO...his promised first move as our new PM is to cancel this tax grab.

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Yes we're supposed to believe someone that promised the budget would be balanced by this year. Or that the budget would just balance itself.

"Bob Reid, of Veritas Communications, commenting on McKenna’s interview with Newstalk 1010’s skeptical Dave Trafford, took McKenna’s argument to its logical, and unbelievable, conclusion:

When any politician tells you, ‘you’re going to get more money back as a result of this tax than what you actually pay,’ nobody buys that because it just plain doesn’t make sense. If that’s true, then raise the tax five times … so I get five times more money back than I paid, right? It just doesn’t pass the common sense test with people, so that’s a liability right out of the gate.”

No matter how many times McKenna and Trudeau say it’s true.

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4 hours ago, Jaydee said:

Go Scheer GO.

The PPC most closely aligns with my thinking as I'm not really a Scheer fan. I fear though, that a vote for them will end up being lost in the tactical voting fray and help the Liberals in the process. 

I'm of the mind though that tactical voting is a fools game and you should vote your conscience and let the chips fall where they may. So, do you have an opinion on that subject at this time? If everyone votes tactically, we are in danger of a Liberal minority.... or worse IMO.

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If the PPC had a chance I would vote for them in a heartbeat. In the present climate the goal must remain to defeat Trudeau. From that perspective the PPC vote count will only hurt the Conservatives. For that reason only,  I will vote Conservative, keeping the main objective in mind. 

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14 hours ago, Jaydee said:

 the goal must remain to defeat Trudeau.

While overall, I fear you are right, that is the sentiment that got us JT in the first place. 

There is a lesson in that, at least for me, no more tactical voting.... Scheer just doesn't cut it IMO and I already support the PPC. If everyone votes tactically and refuses follow the path of good ideas then we will once again get exactly what we deserve. There is nothing quite as foolish IMO as a Liberal voter who now complains about the carbon tax and pending gun control measures.... both were election promises and we got what we collectively voted for in JT. Voters are the problem here and the question "what did you think was going to happen?" speaks to this problem.

Look at it this way, the Liberals are now NDP, the Conservatives are now Liberals and the PPC are now Conservative. The NDP is in competition with the Liberals.... each trying to out-crazy the other. In the US, the Democrats have gone mad and Trump is the only thing keeping their foolishness at bay. In short, the PPC will do much better than currently expected IMO.

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2 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

In short, the PPC will do much better than currently expected IMO.

If that happens, math says it can only go one way, Canada will have round 2 of the idiot.

Pick your poison I guess.

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As we keep saying.... Just because we pay a tax on it doesn't mean it goes away.

I see we already have 2 wildfires out west.  We should direct ALL carbon tax money to fighting those fires or its all for moot.  How much carbon are they depositing into the atmosphere.  It would be irresponsible to no throw all of the tax grab at ending them.

 

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Residents in BC pay one of the highest carbon taxes in the world. Sorry.., not sorry, they voted in their politicians You reap what you sew.

 

The fallacy of carbon taxation....What is gained by putting a tax on EVERYTHING. How is this supposed to give people an incentive to use less....do less...live less....die broke ?

Go Scheer Go.  MCGA

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‘’Interestingly, the Climate Alarmists DON’T support actually trying to reduce CO2.

Climate change: 'Magic bullet' carbon solution takes big step

A technology that removes carbon dioxide from the air has received significant backing from major fossil fuel companies.

British Columbia-based Carbon Engineering has shown that it can extract CO2 in a cost-effective way.

It has now been boosted by $68m in new investment from Chevron, Occidental and coal giant BHP.

But climate campaigners are worried that the technology will be used to extract even more oil.

 

The quest for technology for carbon dioxide removal (CDR) from the air received significant scientific endorsement last year with the publication of the IPCC report on keeping the rise in global temperatures to 1.5C this century.

In their "summary for policymakers", the scientists stated that: "All pathways that limit global warming to 1.5C with limited or no overshoot project the use of CDR ...over the 21st century."

Around the world, a number of companies are racing to develop the technology that can draw down carbon. Swiss company Climeworks is already capturing CO2 and using it to boost vegetable production.

Carbon Engineering says that its direct air capture (DAC) process is now able to capture the gas for under $100 a tonne

With its new funding, the company plans to build its first commercial facilities. These industrial-scale DAC plants could capture up to one million tonnes of CO2 from the air each year.

So how does this system work?

CO2 is a powerful warming gas but there's not a lot of it in the atmosphere - for every million molecules of air, there are 410 of CO2. 

While the CO2 is helping to drive temperatures up around the world, the comparatively low concentrations make it difficult to design efficient machines to remove the gas.

Carbon Engineering's process is all about sucking in air and exposing it to a chemical solution that concentrates the CO2. Further refinements mean the gas can be purified into a form that can be stored or utilised as a liquid fuel. 

Does this require some complicated chemistry?

Absolutely.

Carbon Engineering's barn-sized installation has a large fan in the middle of the roof which draws in air from the atmosphere.

It then comes into contact with a hydroxide-based chemical solution. Certain hydroxides react with carbon dioxide, reversibly binding to the CO2 molecule. When the CO2 in the air reacts with the liquid, it forms a carbonate mixture. That is then treated with a slurry of calcium hydroxide to change it into solid form; the slurry helps form tiny pellets of calcium carbonate. 

The chalky calcium carbonate pellets are then treated at a high temperature of about 900C, with the pellets decomposing into a CO2 stream and calcium oxide.

That stream of pure CO2 is cleaned up to remove water impurities.

"The key to this process is about concentrating the CO2," said Carbon Engineering's Dr Jenny McCahill.

"We can then put it underground as in sequestration, or we can combine it with hydrogen to form hydrocarbons or methanol. There's a number of things you can do."

Can you really make a liquid fuel from CO2?

Yes. It's complicated but it can be done. 

The captured CO2 is mixed with hydrogen that's made from water and green electricity. It's then passed over a catalyst at 900C to form carbon monoxide. Adding in more hydrogen to the carbon monoxide turns it into what's called synthesis gas. 

Infographic

Finally a Fischer-Tropsch process turns this gas into a synthetic crude oil. Carbon Engineering says the liquid can be used in a variety of engines without modification.

"The fuel that we make has no sulphur in it, it has these nice linear chains which means it burns cleaner than traditional fuel," said Dr McCahill.

"It's nice and clear and ready to be used in a truck, car or jet."

Why are fossil fuel companies investing in this process?

CO2 can also be used to flush out the last remaining deposits of oil in wells that are past their prime. The oil industry in the US has been using the gas in this way for decades. 

It's estimated that using CO2 can deliver an extra 30% of crude from oilfields with the added benefit that the gas is then sequestered permanently in the ground. 

"Carbon Engineering's direct air capture technology has the unique capability to capture and provide large volumes of atmospheric CO2," said Occidental Petroleum's Senior Vice President, Richard Jackson, in a statement.

"This capability complements Occidental's enhanced oil recovery business and provides further synergies by enabling large-scale CO2 utilisation and sequestration."

One of the other investors in Carbon Engineering is BHP, best known for its coal mining interests. 

"The reality is that fossil fuels will be around for several decades whether in industrial processes or in transportation," said Dr Fiona Wild, BHP's head of sustainability and climate change.

"What we need to do is invest in those low-emission technologies that can significantly reduce the emissions from these processes, and that's why we are focusing on carbon capture and storage." 

How have environmentalists reacted to Carbon Engineering's plans?

Some climate campaigners are positive about the development of direct air capture technology, but others are worried that it will be used to prolong the fossil fuel era. 

"It's a huge concern," Tzeporah Berman, international programme director for Stand dot earth, told BBC News. 

"We need to be working together to figure out how we move away completely from fossil fuel - that's our moral and economic challenge but these technologies provide a false hope that we can continue to depend on fossil fuels and produce and burn them, and technology will fix it - we are way past that point!"

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47638586

 

 

 

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This has got to be the stupidest of Stupid. " A technology that removes carbon dioxide from the air has received significant backing from major fossil fuel companies. "

What the heck are plants, trees, forests supposed to use for photosynthesis?

What the heck is photosynthesis? It's the world wide botanical process that provides the atmosphere of its 21% of OXYGEN - THE STUFF THAT KEEPS US ALIVE.

Followed by the next stupidest statement:

"CO2 is a powerful warming gas but there's not a lot of it in the atmosphere - for every million molecules of air, there are 410 of CO2 (0.00041%, using their number [invalidating their logic] - actually, the percentage is closer to 0.039%).  While the CO2 is helping to drive temperatures up around the world, the comparatively low concentrations make it difficult to design efficient machines to remove the gas."

I ask again, what will plants use to keep surface animal life alive given this insane idea's acceptance?

 

 

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Forbes Magazine....

 Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate 

 

“ Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data. “

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/

 

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