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I agree that all immigrants accept the culture of the host country. I not saying that one give up totally one's culture, but you cannot expect the host country to give up theirs for yours. If so, then it's best you go back to where you came from. This causes you to isolate your group which causes problems.

We've seen this before with other groups. To add your group will only cause more resentment and discrimination. Diversity is wonderful so long as we are all on the same page. The host country is willing to accept "others" as long as you accept your host country.

I'm a naturlized Canadian and accept my host country's culture, which includes the queen. If you don't like the rules here, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

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Nothing new there Malcolm. The big difference is the cultural ability (or inability) to marry outside their faith and the Muslim population is far more likely to require and 'enforce' the practice. It is also interesting to note that in your link it is permitted for man to marry a non-Muslim (to a limit) but the same does not apply to a woman. Once again we see the discrimination applied within the faith.

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Trader: discrimination applied within the faith is not right but not limited to Muslims..

Take a close look at some other religions and you will also find discrimination within the faith. eg. Female Priests are not allowed in some religions etc.

Re Muslims in general, I tend to judge them on a one to one basis the same as I do anyother human. Some are fanatical, some are criminal, some are saints, some are good neighbours etc. etc.

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No one mentions Talmudic law and the requirements of adherence to Jewish faith.

A comparative analysis of Talmudic law and Sharia is available on the internet and is of interest.

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Intent

The Government of Canada is seeking Letters of Interest from interested Canadian air carriers that have the capacity, capability and availability to provide air transportation in the form of chartered aircraft of a minimum of 200 seats capable to perform direct flights between Adana / Gaziantep, Turkey and Amman, Jordan and Toronto Pearson Airport / Montréal Trudeau Airport.

The purpose of this posting is to generate a list of possible Canadian suppliers that would be interested in being considered by International Organization for Migration (IOM), international organization to coordinate travel logistics of Syrian refugees as identified in the requirements described below.

The list will be provided to IOM, for consideration, as Canadian suppliers to solicit for services identified in the requirements. Please provide availability, for each month, until end March 2016.

Requirements

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) requires air transportation services to move to Canada, approximately 10,000 refugees during December 2015 and approximately 15,000 refugees early 2016. The number of people to be transported is scalable and the exact schedule (days and times) are yet to be confirmed. First day of transportation is planned to be December 10, 2015. Transportation is anticipated to be required until February 29, 2016, but may be required later.Intent

Intent

The Government of Canada is seeking Letters of Interest from interested Canadian air carriers, regarding air transportation services between Toronto Pearson airport / Montréal Trudeau airport and various destinations in Canada on behalf of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, for the following:

  • having the capacity, capability and availability to provide air transportation in the form of chartered aircraft; and
  • interested to offer discounts on commercial flights to transport refugees to their assigned communities.
The purpose of this posting is to generate a list of Canadian suppliers that would be interested in being considered by International Organization for Migration (IOM), international organization to coordinate travel logistics of Syrian refugees as identified in the requirements described below.

The list will be provided to IOM, for consideration, as Canadian suppliers to solicit for services identified in the requirements. Please provide availability or offer to provide discounts on commercial flights, as applicable, for each month, until end March 2016.

Requirements

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) requires air transportation services to move to Canada, and to their assigned communities within Canada, approximately 10,000 refugees during December 2015 and approximately 15,000 refugees early 2016. The number of people to be transported is scalable and the exact schedule (days and times) are yet to be confirmed. First day of transportation is planned to be December 10, 2015. Transportation is anticipated to be required until February 29, 2016, but may be required later.

Government Services Canada Tender

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For the Hungarian refugees in 1956, Canadan Pacific, TCA and Maritime Central Airways were the only Canadian carriers capable of flying this operation. With the winter charters/sun destinations about to start once more, most potential airliners are fully scheduled elsewhere. Perhaps some mid-week aircraft would be available?

Who will step up to the plate this time?

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For the Hungarian refugees in 1956, Canadan Pacific, TCA and Maritime Central Airways were the only Canadian carriers capable of flying this operation. With the winter charters/sun destinations about to start once more, most potential airliners are fully scheduled elsewhere. Perhaps some mid-week aircraft would be available?

Who will step up to the plate this time?

Pretty full thread so perhaps you missed this in post # 46 ?? :blush:

Canada will lease planes from Royal Jordanian Airlines to transport Syrian refugees to Canada

But McCallum could not say when the first plane will arrive

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Pretty full thread so perhaps you missed this in post # 46 ?? :blush:

Canada will lease planes from Royal Jordanian Airlines to transport Syrian refugees to Canada

But McCallum could not say when the first plane will arrive

Crazy full thread. However I was only responding to post #56 regarding our governments request to Canadian carriers. :)

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Air Canada had previously offered lift for the operation. What happened to that offer?

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How Canada and the U.S. compare on Syrian refugees

Costs and some practices vary but both countries base status on determination by UN agency

By Benjamin Bathke, for, CBC News Posted: Dec 02, 2015 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Dec 02, 2015 6:19 AM ET Related Stories

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Canada and the United States have both committed to increasing the number of Syrian refugees they will accept in the face of the global migration crisis and pressure from their European allies.

Although the goal of the two North American countries is the same — alleviating the plight of Syrians fleeing their war-torn country — the numbers and the resettlement process are not.

The U.S. has pledged to accept 10,000 refugees in the next year while Canada has said it will welcome 25,000 by next March.

Here's how the two countries compare:

Cost

U.S.: The annual federal budget for refugee resettlement assistance is $950 million, almost $3 per American (based on a 2014 population of 319 million) or $95,000 per refugee (based on the 10,000 arriving in the next year), according to the Migration Policy Institute. But private resettlement agencies and other institutions are shouldering more than half of the financial load.

Canada: Resettling one of the 25,000 Syrian refugees is estimated to cost Ottawa $35,000, or $900 million overall during the first year and $1.2 billion over the next six years. That puts the per capita cost at $25 for the first year (based on a 2014 Canadian population of 36 million), roughly eight times as much as in the U.S. Private sponsors pay for 40 per cent of refugees in the first twelve months, according to the Globe and Mail.

Refugee status and referral process

U.S.: According to Bloomberg, the UN refugee agency UNHCR, which determines refugee status, has referred 18,000 Syrian refugees for possible settlement in the U.S. The process from referral to resettlement usually takes 18 to 24 months.

Canada: Similar to the U.S. case, all of the 25,000 Syrians coming to Canada have already been designated by UNHCR. With few exceptions, Canada is only accepting women, children and the most vulnerable (complete families, threatened women and LGBT people).

Responsible authorities and adjudication

U.S.: The government and nine national Resettlement Support Centers in the States compile personal data and background information for security clearance.

Canada: No detailed plan has been issued to date. Visa officers at Citizenship and Immigration Canada process the individual cases here. According to the Globe and Mail, extra staff have been sent to Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey to help speed up the process.

Security checks before arrival

U.S.: First, the National Counterterrorism Center, the State Department and other security agencies screen the candidate in an interagency check for being a potential security risk, according to the White House.

Next, the refugee's fingerprints and photograph are taken in the camps and screened against FBI and Homeland Security databases. Syrians face another security layer called the Syria Enhanced Review. Each refugee has an in-person interview with a U.S. official in the country of asylum. The last step is a second interagency check to make sure no new information has been received.

Canada: Five hundred Canadian officials are now in the camps to interview each refugee and check his or her identity against Canadian, U.S. and international databases, the Globe and Mail reports, but few details have been revealed about the process overall.

Medical checkups and cultural orientation

U.S.: While waiting for final processing, a medical test and a cultural orientation, which includes information about rights and responsibilities, cultural adjustment and money management, take place in the camps, according to the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants.

Canada: A medical test is carried out abroad to make sure refugees are free of infectious diseases or tuberculosis. Service provider organizations provide cultural orientation.

Admission

U.S.: A Customs and Border Protection officer reviews refugee documentation and conducts additional security checks at one of five U.S. airports designated for refugee admissions.

Canada: Ottawa is covering transportation costs for the up to 900 refugees expected to arrive daily in Toronto and Montreal, largely on privately chartered aircraft. The military will provide airlift if necessary. Although Canada has issued almost 1,000 permanent resident visas to Syrian asylum seekers, there is still no definite timeline.

Settlement in local communities

U.S.: The government matches refugees to a national sponsor agency, which then allocates newcomers to local institutions across the country. The location criteria, according to the International Institute of St. Louis, include other families of the same nationality, available housing and jobs. Most are being sent to affordable, medium-sized cities like Boise, Idaho, which has accepted more refugees than Los Angeles and New York combined since 2012, according to the New York Times.

Canada: Asylum seekers will temporarily live on military bases and in housing including hotels and abandoned hospitals. After that, provinces, cities, the Red Cross and community organizations will resettle refugees to 36 cities across the country. Service provider organizations (SPOs) assist eligible refugees in a variety of ways, including counselling, interpretation and job services. Unlike in the U.S., most newcomers are expected to stay in the big cities.

Support

U.S.: Each refugee receives an allowance (around $1,000) to meet basic needs for the first 90 days from the local resettlement agency, which also offers community orientation, assistance with social security and Medicaid, English classes and job search. According to the International Institute of St. Louis, refugees have to begin repaying their travel loans, which are separate from the allowance, within six months of arrival (up to $1,500 per person).

Canada: Private sponsors — individuals or groups — have to cover the settlement costs of 40 per cent (10,000) of the 25,000 refugees ($12,600 for an individual, $27,000 for a family of four) during the first year, the Globe and Mail reports. The remaining 15,000 asylum seekers will be assisted by the government.

Benjamin Bathke is a multimedia freelance journalist and a Global Journalism Fellow at the University of Toronto.

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And for those who think the refugees only cost and do not contribute:

Syrian refugees to boost B.C. economy by half a billion dollars: report

By Yuliya Talmazan Web Producer Global News

A Syrian refugee man carrying his daughter rushes to the beach as he arrives on a dinghy from

A new report shows that Syrian refugees are expected to boost the economy of British Columbia by more than half a billion dollars.

A Vancity report says the refugees expected to arrive in B.C. between now and the end of February are expected to generate $563 million in local economic activity over the next 20 years.

The credit unit found that immigrants tend to strengthen the economy in their new communities because they often purchase goods and services within their local community networks.

The report also points to immigrants being highly entrepreneurial as they are 30 per cent more likely to start a business than non-immigrants.

Refugees also report higher rates of self-employment than both other immigrants and people born in Canada, according to Vancity.

Since the outbreak of the war in Syria in 2011, the UN estimates some 4.2 million people have been displaced, resulting in a global refugee crisis.

25,000 Syrian refugees are expected to arrive in Canada by February of next year at an estimated cost of $678 million over the next six years.

B.C. will be receiving 400 Syrian refugees by the end of the 2015 and a further 1,500 by the end of next February.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2374843/syrian-refugees-to-boost-b-c-economy-by-half-a-billion-dollars-report/

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Word is that only a very small portion of the Syrians contacted actually want to make the long journey to Canada! Apparently most would rather live in their own country in peace, who knew?! This is where all countries must turn their attention to eliminate the threat of ISIS and pacify the region so people can live in their own homes peacefully.

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ISIS/ISL, in my opinion, can not be defeated without "boots on the ground"........who will be first. ?? :glare::glare:

Maybe jr will send our troops with guns but no bullets such as was done in Cyprus.

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Not sure what your three words mean....however, it is the authors' opinion just like my opinion..... is mine. :closedeyes:

However, probably my fault, but we seem to be drifting off the title of the thread so let's drop this unless someone starts a thread about ending ISIS and their terror tactics. :excl::excl:

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ISIS women do have children even though it's frowned upon. In practice, when a woman's jihadi husband gets whacked, ISIS will assign the gal to another fighter, which makes her children a complicating factor.

Regardless, their policy of sharing women leads to a question.

I'm hopeful, but knowing there are documentation problems, I'd sure like to know that Canada is capable of vetting migrants properly to ensure we're not importing ISIS terrorists using the 'family' as a cover.

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This kinda says it all....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/28/saudi-arabian-womens-conference-picture_n_3515062.html

Saudi Arabia Holds Women's Conference With Not A Female In Sight

An image of a conference in Saudi Arabia on the topic of “women in society” – with not a single female present - has gone viral.

The picture features row upon row of men in traditional keffiyeh and white thobes. A single Westerner in a flannel shirt is the only person breaking up an otherwise uniform sea of what appear to be Arab men.

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The fence is up.

The Base at YTR is split with the all the air-side on the North side of hwy #2 and Admin as well as quarters and the summer Air Cadet camp on the south side of Hwy #2.

This time they did not use boards to block the fence on the south side, they have used a "blue" material, somewhat opaque but also a bit transparent.

There has been no news if, and when CFB Trenton will host some of the refugees but the fence is up and the summer cadet camp is being spit and polished . :biggrin1:

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The fence is up.

The Base at YTR is split with the all the air-side on the North side of hwy #2 and Admin as well as quarters and the summer Air Cadet camp on the south side of Hwy #2.

This time they did not use boards to block the fence on the south side, they have used a "blue" material, somewhat opaque but also a bit transparent.

There has been no news if, and when CFB Trenton will host some of the refugees but the fence is up and the summer cadet camp is being spit and polished . :biggrin1:

And I hope winter proofed. I imagine there would be a need to install furnaces, segregated toilet facilities, prayer rooms etc. so as to make our new citizens as comfortable as possible. I would also best appropriate cuisine would be high on the menu. In other words we must/ should try to make it as close to home as possible, without the starvation, guns, rape etc. Let us open our arms wide and say howdy!

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Just a thought again on all this. I understand that people are concerned with the risk on allowing in the Syrian refugees with the possibility of them encouraging or becoming possible terrorists. I view it as a risk but I view it as a greater risk in the long term if we were to discriminate against Muslims but that isn't my point.

I am firmly convinced that one of the greatest allies that Islamic extremism has is the western media. You can't turn on a news channel anywhere that doesn't have the face of one or the other LA terrorists covering the screen. That is exactly what they want. Publicity for the individual and the cause. It is their best recruitment tool. Some young person who is not 100% mentally, or the victim of abuse, and as a result is angry at the world, could see this as a way out with a bang and huge notoriety. Or maybe I'm just a 20 year old hot head looking for adventure and wanton destruction of life and property, (and with slave women thrown in as a bonus), then maybe joining ISIS would appeal.

Our media will do anything to draw viewers and I guess this sells and the public just eats it up. There is just no real accountability except for advertising revenues and there is no shortage of that either.

IMHO this presents a far greater risk than allowing in Syrian refugees.

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