Guest Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 If you don't have some time to waste, don't go any further I've seen this person's videos posted before (crosswind ops at Birmingham), but never looked much further until just now...Professional or amateur I'm not sure, but it's hard not to keep surfing through his stuff (for me anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The Flybe Dash-8 was particularly interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 More interesting video. Of course the tight in zoom and camera angle add to the drama, but a few of these landings look brutally uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Chinese landing technique...Onewinglow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I have never flown a twin engine high wing turbo prop but it seems to me a lot of these guys should have a little more x-wind landing training.....They appear to maintain crab until just about over the button but then don't lower the wing and use a lot of rudder to keep it straight.Another thing that they seem to miss is the fact that all high tail aircraft will turn into the wind immediately after landing if proper rudder is not applied. That even happened in the "T-Rex".I am open to correction regarding technique by those of you that fly the high wing turbo props.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanishing point Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I've got 20 years with Dash8-100/300's. Crab on approach then lower into-wind wing, opposite rudder to line up with runway, roll onto into-wind MLG, lower opposite MLG and nose wheel. Roll in aileron until gust lock engaged.Easy-peasy. The Dash is a great a/c in a x-wind. Max x-wind is 36 kts. I've only encountered that once landing in YKA at night. Big fun all around. Got the a/c parked and then watched WJ land their '37 in the same wind.Not sure if they had as much fun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Watching a lot of the turboprops, it seemed the rudder was not being used after MLG touchdown. WTF?Many years on deHavilland products. Can't recall the dozens of times I watched someone land then let go the control column to grab the tiller once the nose is on. Like that is going to keep you straight at 90 knots!Ya gotta fly the beast down to taxi speed. Anyone who's flown the maritimes will understand that!OTOH, the wing down prior to touchdown should not (IMHO) be used on a large swept wing jet. That's a tail strike in the making for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 You do have to wonder if the pilots have the experience necessary to the position, or are they fresh faced low timers hoping to survive days like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Agreed Moon The Loon.Crosswind landings and takeoffs need to be handled correctly. Not having ailerons into wind, just because one is afraid of the rise in spoilers, is asking for an "uncomfortable" landing and takeoff. Put as much as need. The bird is certified to handle it. Besides, you would not be using reduced thrust for takeoffs in gusty conditions so you have the thrust needed to get the "puppy" off the ground.IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 They appear to maintain crab until just about over the button but then don't lower the wing and use a lot of rudder to keep it straight.Another thing that they seem to miss is the fact that all high tail aircraft will turn into the wind immediately after landing if proper rudder is not applied. That even happened in the "T-Rex".I am open to correction regarding technique by those of you that fly the high wing turbo propsWatching a lot of the turboprops, it seemed the rudder was not being used after MLG touchdown. WTF?Many years on deHavilland products. Can't recall the dozens of times I watched someone land then let go the control column to grab the tiller once the nose is on. Like that is going to keep you straight at 90 knots!Ya gotta fly the beast down to taxi speed. Anyone who's flown the maritimes will understand that!It seems to me like some initial attempts are made to straighten the airplane out but as is often the case with some pilots, they don't carry it through the flare and landing as required. As they begin the flare they forget about all those basics of crosswind landing technique including the fact that as the process continues along, generally MORE input is required as the airplane is flared and slowed down. I noticed that to be the case in most of those landings above. In fact I think a couple actually had the downwind MLG touch down first ?Moon you mentioned transitioning to the NWS tiller too soon; in point of fact Bombardier actually has a Service Letter published for Q400 operators that basically says to not even touch the tiller between gear extension and slowing through 50KT. This is due to possibly inducing a NWS failure if manipulated at the wrong time (basically). So ideally the Q4 has to be "flown" right down to taxi speed.I've said it before, I'm thankful for my "northern" time where I really learned a lot about my own limits and was able to become a more competent pilot (in my humble opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Rudder pedal induce steering of the nose wheel anyway. Approx 7Degrees I believe. There should be no need to touch the tiller anyway. If you need more than 7 degrees of nose wheel you landed really badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canoehead Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Thread bump... for anyone interested in these videos. The videography is excellent. The movement of the second lander's wing is pretty 'wow'... So are the control inputs of the ATR landing . Good grief. Birmingham Crosswind Ops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 As much as we'd like to avoid this kind of drama, everyone get's to feel that great sense of relief and accomplishment after pulling off a fairly good landing during insanely dangerous X - wind landing conditions at various times over the course of their career. I can't imagine how an aircraft's spindly little gear legs can take all the twisting and other load forces they receive in circumstances like those shown. Maybe that explains Blues and so many other aviators apparent fascination with gear bogies, myself included? Considering the potential for disaster, it's interesting to note that even inexperienced pilots consistently pull off arrivals everyone can walk away from, while what may be the majority of serious landing mishaps appear to occur in fairly benign conditions, which is perhaps a demonstration of the danger complacency poses during 'routine' operating conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canoehead Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Way more interesting than that lunatic down south... (in my opinion anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 That is some serious chemtrail activity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canoehead Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Watch the A320 (321?) at 1:15. Maybe it's just the camera angle/depth of field, but sure looks like inches from a tailstrike. Can't make it embed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, Canoehead said: Watch the A320 (321?) at 1:15. Maybe it's just the camera angle/depth of field, but sure looks like inches from a tailstrike. Can't make it embed The tail "rub strip" did just touch the runway. Watch the little "puff" of debris when the aircraft reaches maximum take-off pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canoehead Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Same airplane. Did a go around on the first attempt, then put it off the runway the second time. Avherald report shows winds of approximately 240/15G26. Total "amateur hour" and an embarrassment to the profession. For the non-pilots on here, watch the rudder (and aileron) in both clips and you'll figure out why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 For the non-pilots on here, watch the rudder (and aileron) in both clips and you'll figure out why. That is the first thing that popped out when I watched the "over the runway" sequence.....Looks like he/she had no idea of the cross controlling landing technique... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Do they get charged extra for using the bit at the side of the runway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 The mechanical turbulence off of T2 at YYZ made watching landers on what is now 24R interesting on certain days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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