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Chief Theresa Spence's hunger strike reminds me of the negotiation tactics of a three year old in the grocery store with his mother.

“Ok, I've asked nicely for something that I feel I completely deserve, yet you say no and then some nonsense about not being entitled to more than others in the family. I therefore plan to stage a meltdown in this public place to protest what I know is a grave injustice. I choose to protest in this busy store because it wouldn't have nearly the same effect were I to do it at home. I will make such frequent and compelling noises that all people in the vicinity will think that I am dying (but really I'm not). They will all see what a terrible and miserly leader you are and no doubt I will have many supporters. I intend to continue to divert your attention from other chores for as long as it takes (and I can, because I'm not REALLY dying).

All this drama could be avoided if you would just let me have the chocolate bar”

I believe every parenting book ever written will advise to never cave in to this blackmail by embarrassment.

Chief Spence comes by the behavior honestly. One need only hang out in any northern grocery store to see it play out all day, every day and generally with success for the pint size negotiator.

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"Asked whether those protests would subside now that Harper has committed to a treaty process, Atleo said he thinks his people will need to see evidence of change first — a belief that has added urgency to the process with Ottawa."

We've been sending buckets of money into Reserves for a very long time now and have seen no improvement in the situation whatsoever. Perhaps we should be the ones stating the obvious; we're going to need to see evidence of change before sending anymore cash their way?

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"Asked whether those protests would subside now that Harper has committed to a treaty process, Atleo said he thinks his people will need to see evidence of change first — a belief that has added urgency to the process with Ottawa."

We've been sending buckets of money into Reserves for a very long time now and have seen no improvement in the situation whatsoever. Perhaps we should be the ones stating the obvious; we're going to need to see evidence of change before sending anymore cash their way?

BINGO

As always , it's all about the money.

There have been a lot of accusations and much discussion on how the police have (mis)handled the various blockages and protests. The police have ignored court orders and allowed the NC's to pretty much do whatever they desire with no fear of consequence. From the NC's perspective , why wouldn't they continue? OKA , CALEDONIA , IPPERWASH...they have always come out on top. When Dudley George was killed in Ipperwash there was such a sh**storm that the repercussions are still being felt. As much as I hate it , you can hardly blame the police from not wanting to get involved. Violence is bound to ensue.

Whenever these ILLEGAL protests and blockages spring up CUT THE MONEY OFF. Essentially fine them for illegal activity. How long will it take before the 80% of the rational NC's on the reserves start reigning in the 20% sh**tdisturbers?

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Whenever these ILLEGAL protests and blockages spring up CUT THE MONEY OFF. Essentially fine them for illegal activity. How long will it take before the 80% of the rational NC's on the reserves start reigning in the 20% sh**tdisturbers?

I'd do one even better; fight their blockade with a blockade of our own - they block a rail line or highway somewhere - just get 20 or 30 semi trailers and block all the roads in and out of the reserve. We're protesting your protest.

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I'd do one even better; fight their blockade with a blockade of our own - they block a rail line or highway somewhere - just get 20 or 30 semi trailers and block all the roads in and out of the reserve. We're protesting your protest.

Better yet...block their casino's

Problem is , we all know what would happen. The POLICE would magically grow balls and start arresting us and carting us off to jail.

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Very few Indian leaders want real change. Why would they? The chiefs get to suck on the governemnt teat while their people live in squalor. The Indian industry of governemnt dependence in this country benefits a certain class so why kill the golden goose.

Does anyone really think that Theresa Spence wants real change and the accountability that would come with it? I sure don't.

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Apparently, we're supposed to stay tuned to local radio now when driving as the cops are now going to introduce a new service, which will provide us with updates on where the Natives are road-blocking etc so that we might alter our route accordingly and avoid delay. I think it's really nice of our government to think of us.

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Actually. I'd settle for them just managing their money better. As it is they are just committing many more generations to follow in their footsteps. It's not the government that's hurting them. It's themselves.

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O good, somebody quoting that raging lunatic Ezra Levant.

Try reading some intelligent commentary. Jeffrey Simpson has been running some strong columns on this in the Globe - even handed, calling out some of the chiefs for criticism, criticizing the lack of goals or common sense in the protest movement, but also pointing out the rampant inconsistencies in thinking on the other side.

Mason also had a good op-ed column on this in yesterday's Globe, as does Lysianne Gagnon in today's Globe.

Three key points from what I have read:

Aboriginal viewpoints are no more homogeneous than non-native viewpoints.

Aboriginal success stories are often ignored by the media in favor of protest movements

The issues are complex - extraordinarily complex - and neither side is entirely right or wrong. People should listen more and criticize less

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"The issues are complex - extraordinarily complex - and neither side is entirely right or wrong. People should listen more and criticize less"

Agreed , but...these blockades are AGAINST THE LAW. Allowing the radical few to continue with impunity will only embolden them and escalate their protests. We've seen this. We know this. How long before they are blockading the airports?

The head of the OPP is on record as saying that at some point the NC's will step over the line and that then they will be forced to act. The result will be much bloodier than if they had nipped this in the bud.

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Dagger..

The points made by Ezra sums up the feelings of a vast majority of Canadians feel about this entire 'movement' and he is not afraid to go public with it.

The authors you have mentioned have tighter reins on what they can say and what will be approved by their bosses to put in print.

There is only one key point as far as the average Canadian is concerned..or perhaps too many to say only one, but "we" are getting tired of flushing money down the black hole without seeing any results.

Questions...........

1) where did all the funds go?

2) why do 'some' of the band leaders have exceptional housing while their members do not.

3)why are we pandering to a select group of people. ...if Canada had not been colonized is it safe to say the FN would still be in teepees

4)The FN oldest ancesters immigrated here into the land we now call Canada, they may have been first but times have changed

5) There was no war with the FN,s and certainly we "took over the country", one could almost say, in a peaceful means

6) In a "war" (and in this case I think we can agree that there was no such thing......we just moved in), normally there is a winner and a loser ...If we are considered the winners in our 'movement' why do we have to keep paying the losers....when they have had decades of opportunities to get a grip on life..........surely you read "The Mouse That Roared"

I could go on but the crux of the matter is....most Canadians are tired of the constant whining from "most" of the FN people......why can't they go out and get a job and struggle through life like every other immigrant does when they come over here and become a law-abiding, tax paying citizens. Why do we owe, 3rd and 4th generation FN people a free ride through life?

And lastly, I don't really care if Gays and Lesbians, Homeless, Teachers, etc., want to protest, and they do, in a mostly peaceful manner but now we have the OPP saying they will not step in a do anything should the natives decide to block bridges.hiways etc. BECAUSE the argument is between the FN and the Federal government.

Just how long do you think I would last with my boat parked sideways on the 401, blocking traffic and stated my bitch was with the Feds over the increase in Parks Canada Fees??

Time for FN to get a grip on their leadership and themselves...the free ride should be over.

PS...I am well aware of those bands that are self sufficent, in fact there is an email going around touting just that point and I say "Bravo!!!

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http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/

The above link is only one of many that could be posted.

I'm not going to post all links to all the papers, you can find the news in many of the papers....It would seem there is quite a backlash, to the protesters and the road/rail blockages, by the taxpayers of this country.

Funny, (not), how the laws of Canada do not apply to so many :glare:

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The tribe that blocked the QE2 in Alberta is not a tribe at all but rather a "wantabee" they sold off their land for what was considered good coin the late 1800s, the Papaschase are not a federally recognized band.

I suspect that the recent Federal Court ruling may have changed that status somewhat...

Court rules Metis, off-reserve aboriginals qualify as 'Indians' - 8 Jan 2013

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Wouldn't genetic testing be appropriate to this situation? I'm not certain why we pay support to the many individuals claiming Native status whom only possess a very small percentage of the genetic material necessary to making said claim?

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"It would except that the bleeding hearts (courts) would say that was an invasion of privacy/human rights etc. etc etc. In Alberta there is a fight before the courts right now where the Oil Companies want to continue mandatory drug tests for the operators of the very large/heavy equipment at the oilsands. So far the companies are loosing the battle."

The oil companies promoting drug testing are probably US based and being pushed to do so by the relative authority from the US just as was the case back in the 1980's with Canadian based employees of US carriers.

I've never understood why society will support an individual's claim for welfare etc without the regular provision of proof that demonstrates the applicant is not in fact an alcoholic druggie.

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