inchman Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Must be tough to judge the wingtips on the A380... or the AF guy thought he was so big that his wings would clear the tail of the little guy.AF vs DL connector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 For the 380 it wouldn't be a big deal to put "bullet" type cameras on the wing tips...I have them on my boat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I just saw the video. What the heck was that pilot thinking??? His taxi speed must have been in excess of 20 kts. In the vicinity of a ramp, no less. Air France again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say Again, Over! Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think the video is sped up somewhat. Looks like we're seeing the 20fps of a security camera at 30fps... Otherwise, I think the guys at the front end of the RJ wouldn't have been in any shape to call ground as calmly as they did.Impressive, though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Audio tape from ATC...and a grainy photo as the tape plays of a wing tip or is it the elevator of the RJ???http://nycaviation.com/2011/04/air-traffic-control-audio-air-france-airbus-a380-hits-delta-crj-700/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think the video is sped up somewhat. Looks like we're seeing the 20fps of a security camera at 30fps... Otherwise, I think the guys at the front end of the RJ wouldn't have been in any shape to call ground as calmly as they did.Impressive, though!!Oh, kayyy! Next thing to wonder is how close to the taxi centreline AF was or whether the Lawn Dart had started its push.BTW, why would the "tape" record at one frame rate then play at a faster frame rate, assuming the playback can be adjusted to any frame rate desirable?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say Again, Over! Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 BTW, why would the "tape" record at one frame rate then play at a faster frame rate, assuming the playback can be adjusted to any frame rate desirable?? Don't know. I'm merely posting someone's opinion which I thought made sense. If you look at the youtube version of the video, there are comments at the bottom that flash by almost too fast to be read... Maybe someone thought it would look more dramatic if sped up?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKGv3KFqKo&hlOr then again, AF was taxiing too fast and it all happened like that!I'm not trying to uncover a conspiracy! It just seemed quite violent at the speed of the video and I thought that maybe, the crew would have been incapacitated after a hit like that... and then again, maybe not. Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 The RJ wasn't pushing back, they had just arrived from Boston and were inbound to their gate. It also appears that the RJ had stopped because they were waiting for ground crew, who you can see entering the picture from the right just as the collision occurs.I agree that the video looks sped up. The movements of the RJ are unnatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 06L06R Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 From what I have seen over the years, Air France has never ever ever done anything too fast. Anyone ever been stuck behind one? Brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blues deville Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 From what I have seen over the years, Air France has never ever ever done anything too fast. Anyone ever been stuck behind one? Brutal.Ba ha! Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchman Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 The RJ wasn't pushing back, they had just arrived from Boston and were inbound to their gate. It also appears that the RJ had stopped because they were waiting for ground crew, who you can see entering the picture from the right just as the collision occurs.I agree that the video looks sped up. The movements of the RJ are unnatural.Yeah... and if you look at the movement of those ground crew, their pace of walking is a bit on the speedy side. So, it must be sped up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Yeah... and if you look at the movement of those ground crew, their pace of walking is a bit on the speedy side. So, it must be sped up a bit.Those are all good observations. With no significant injuries, only good can come of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 this was taken with a camera phone or small video recorder. It is amateur video. Frame rates on a phone are not the same as for regular video. Watch the Beacons on the planes. The RJ only flashes twice throug the whole sequence suggesting missing frames in the video due to the conversion rates. The vehicle and foot traffice are indeed moving faster than normal. However that does not diminish that the big plane nailed the little plane and swung it around. Damn luck no one was hurt . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Article with more pics of the damage.Wing clearance in frame after A380 jolts CRJToo bad AME and conehead aren't there in JFK......a bit of foam rubber and speed tape and both airframes would have been on their way...(can't hold up the operation because of such small "dents") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Apparently the AF machine was under way in about 24 hrs. I can only assume that a temporary repair was completed so they could fly it back to France for the real work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Heads up - Coming to YUL this friday to start daily A380 service YUL-CDG.AIR FRANCETransmis par le Groupe CNW le : 19 Avril 2011 14:00J-3 du début de la desserte quotidienne - L'A380 D'AIR FRANCE PREND DU SERVICE À MONTRÉAL-TRUDEAUMONTRÉAL, le 19 avril /CNW Telbec/ - Air France débutera la desserte quotidienne de la route Montréal - Paris-Charles de Gaulle en Airbus A380 ce vendredi 22 avril. Après une première visite en octobre 2010 pour souligner les 60 ans de présence d'Air France au Canada, le plus grand avion du monde se posera à 17h10 à l'aéroport Montréal-Trudeau. Ce très gros porteur d'Air France peut accueillir jusqu'à 538 passagers répartis en trois classes de service avec 9 sièges en Première au pont principal, 80 en Affaires au pont supérieur et 449 en Voyageur (économique) répartis entre les deux ponts. À bord, six bars répartis sur les deux ponts, davantage d'espace et de confort concourent à faire du voyage sur l'A380 un moment de bien-être, dans une cabine sereine et particulièrement silencieuse. 'A Montréal, quatrième destination choisie par Air France pour accueillir l'A380, tout a été mis en œuvre pour recevoir cet appareil. Appuyé par des équipes renforcées pour le traitement au sol, notre personnel est fin prêt' a déclaré Bénédicte Duval, Vice-présidente et directrice générale d'Air France et KLM au Canada. 59 vols par semaine au départ du Canada vers l'Europe A compter du 9 mai, au départ de Montréal, Air France exploitera 3 vols par jour vers Paris-CDG auxquels s'ajoutera le vol quotidien vers Amsterdam exploité par KLM.Programme été 2011 au départ de Montréal du Groupe AIR FRANCE-KLM Vol Paris-Montréal Vol Montréal-Paris Appareil AF 344 CDG 13h40 YUL 15h00 AF 345 YUL 17h20 CDG 05h55 + 1 B 777-300 AF 346 CDG 16h10 YUL 17h20 AF 347 YUL 19h55 CDG 08h30 + 1 A 380 AF 349* CDG 19h10 YUL 20h45 AF 349 YUL 22h40 CDG 11h30 + 1 A 340-300B 747-400* Vol Amsterdam-Montréal Vol Montréal-Amsterdam Appareil KL 671 AMS 15h20 YUL 16h40 KL 672 YUL 19h15 AMS 07h50 + 1 MD 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Specs..............getting ready for the only one language "nation"???Why not dump the anglo language version on the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 English version not available yet.I tried the translators but they didn't do a great job. Not even Air France website had an English version and I'm too pooped to type and translate (avec beaucoup erreurs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILB Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 via Bing TranslatorAIR FRANCETransmitted by CNW Group the: 19 April 2011 14: 00J-3 of the start of the daily service - the A380 of AIR FRANCE takes of SERVICE at Montreal-TRUDEAUMONTRÉAL, April 19 /CNW Telbec / - Air France will begin daily service to Montreal road - Paris-Charles de Gaulle in Airbus A380 this Friday, April 22. After a first visit in October 2010 to celebrate the 60 years of presence of Air France in the Canada the largest aircraft of the world arise at 17 h 10 to Montréal-Trudeau airport.This very large carrier of Air France can accommodate up to 538 passengers divided into three classes of service with 9 seats in first to the main deck, upper deck business 80 and 449 in traveller (economic) divided between the two bridges. On board, six bars spread over the two bridges, more space and comfort combine to make the journey on the A380 a moment of well-being, in a particularly silent and serene cabin.' Montreal, fourth destination chosen by Air France to accommodate the A380, everything was implemented for this device. Supported by teams strengthened for soil treatment, our staff is ready ' said Bénédicte Duval, Vice President and General Manager of Air France and KLM in the Canada.59 flights per week out of the Canada to EuropeFrom 9, departing from Montreal, Air France will operate 3 flights a day to Paris-CDG which will complement the daily flight to Amsterdam operated by KLM.Program been 2011 at the start of Montreal of Group AIR FRANCE-KLMFlight Paris-Montreal Montreal-Paris aircraft flightAF 344 CDG 1340 YUL 15 h 00 AF 345 YUL 1720 CDG 05 h 55 + 1 B 777-300AF 346 CC 16 h 10 YUL 17 h 20 AF 347 YUL 19 h 55 CDG 08 h 30 + 1 A 380AF 349 * CDG 19 h 10 YUL 20 h 45 AF 349 YUL 22 h 40 CDG 11 h 30 + 1 A 340-300B 747-400 *.Flight Amsterdam-Montreal flight Montreal-Amsterdam apparatusKL 671 AMS 15 h 20 YUL 16 h 40 KL 672 YUL 19 h 15 AMS 07 h 50 + 1 MD 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 via Bing Translator Supported by teams strengthened for soil treatment, our staff is ready ' said Bénédicte Duval, Vice President and General Manager of Air France and KLM in the Canada...... ....I just cant... stop... Thanks for that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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