Critter Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not my words, but Robert Silver's of the Globe and Mail. I know that reporters tend to be uninformed when it comes to the airline business and aviation in general, but this guy takes the cake.Air Canada as the Enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AME Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Poor Dagger must be beside himself....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chockalicious Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 That article is so incrediley lame. He wants to demonize a company so the party he is on his knees slurping for can score some cheap political points. It would be funny if it were not so pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B75/76 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not my words, but Robert Silver's of the Globe and Mail. I know that reporters tend to be uninformed when it comes to the airline business and aviation in general, but this guy takes the cake.Air Canada as the EnemyWhat part of this article is, specifically, so uninformed? It seems that AC/ACPA and the Tories can make whatever uninformed claims they like about job losses, unfair competition etc without providing any evidence to back up said claims. Why is calling them out on it any more uninformed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'd like to know how ANY Canadian could support the Liberals on this issue?! ...The only reasons I can see are selfish. ...either for employment or travel whims. Emirates should be told to pound sand, and then ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 The reporter is obviously an idiot. He uses Peace Air and Maestro as examples of "airlines" that have gone out of business during the Conservative's time as the governing party - Maestro? With a fleet of one aircraft, really?He starts his article labeling Air Canada as the least liked company in Canada. Seems just a bit hyperbolic to me. I know we're the butt of a lot of jokes but the airplanes are always full and the passengers I come in contact with certainly seem happy enough. Unlikely that Air Canada is the least liked company in Canada.He's also being intellectually dishonest with the whole "competition-is-good-for-the-consumer" argument. Competition is good for the consumer in a zero sum game. This is not a zero-sum situation; as soon as you factor in the potential job loss, potential tax base loss etc, etc you can see that slightly lower fares on few airline routes does not make sense. The loss to Canada and to Canadians employed by Air Canada will not be offset by the slightly lower fares - Harper did the right thing by telling Emirates and the UAE to go "pound sand" (thanks Mitch - good one!). In my opinion he should have gone even further and pullied the routes they have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Maestro was never really an airline, just a tour operator who put their name on the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critter Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 Many frequent fliers and industry insiders are in agreement that Air Canada has elevated it's game. A quick glance at the comments on the article seems to say as much as well as my own personal experience.How come banks, cell phone companies and oil companies who make BILLIONS of dollars per quarter gouging consumers dodge the political spotlight while a company barely scraping by walks with a target on it's back?I agree that maybe Dickie Dee should have stayed out of the political crossfire. The problem is not with the airlines themselves, but the constant government sense of entitlement to dip it's hand in the airline cookie jar that other industires don't seem to bear. Air Canada's employees do not deserve to be painted in such a negative light for political gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Well said critter. I agree others should suffer the same fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD2 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Not withstanding Air Canada's reputations or concerns, the government of Canada should do things that will benefit the general public and as such it would be fair to grant EK more rights since it is a solid airline, with state of the art of equipment, very strong product, not to mention that fact that it also does employ a sizeable Canadian contingent and that region is home to many Canadian Expats. The world is shrinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evinrude Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Wait until tomorrow when our Government finally retaliate to the Emirates actions. It's coming this Thursday or Friday. You will probably find out we have a new ally in the Gulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Not withstanding Air Canada's reputations or concerns, the government of Canada should do things that will benefit the general public and as such it would be fair to grant EK more rights since it is a solid airline, with state of the art of equipment, very strong product, not to mention that fact that it also does employ a sizeable Canadian contingent and that region is home to many Canadian Expats. The world is shrinking!Only a wealthier selection of Canadians stand to benefit... for Canadians and Canada in whole, the right thing to do is just as Harper has done so far ... And must continue to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD2 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Only a wealthier selection of Canadians stand to benefit... for Canadians and Canada in whole, the right thing to do is just as Harper has done so far ... And must continue to do.How so? If you mean to say that EK caters more to the wealthy, then that should be good for other airlines who will keep the "regular" folks, although I do believe EK does have a reasonably competitive product. However, my point in general was that in today's world first of all corporations often transcend the national borders which is evident by Canadians being probably the biggest contingent at EK, and secondly the time to "protect" oneself against "outsiders" is over. It could almost be justified if it was a third grade airline with suspect record, but EK is simply one of the best airlines with a great young fleet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebean Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 How so? If you mean to say that EK caters more to the wealthy, then that should be good for other airlines who will keep the "regular" folks, although I do believe EK does have a reasonably competitive product. However, my point in general was that in today's world first of all corporations often transcend the national borders which is evident by Canadians being probably the biggest contingent at EK, and secondly the time to "protect" oneself against "outsiders" is over. It could almost be justified if it was a third grade airline with suspect record, but EK is simply one of the bes At airlines with a great young fleet!This is precious. You lobby for open access for Emirates at YYZ, YYC and YVR but demand extraordinarily limited access to Toronto Island to maintain Porter's defacto monopoly.What's good for the goose is good for the gandar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B75/76 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Only a wealthier selection of Canadians stand to benefit... On what basis do you draw such a conclusion? Y class on Emirates is still the bulk of the seats. They would probably be bought by people of the same means as those that fly Y on other airlines, like AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B75/76 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 ...He's also being intellectually dishonest with the whole "competition-is-good-for-the-consumer" argument. Competition is good for the consumer in a zero sum game. This is not a zero-sum situation; as soon as you factor in the potential job loss, potential tax base loss etc, etc you can see that slightly lower fares on few airline routes does not make sense. The loss to Canada and to Canadians employed by Air Canada will not be offset by the slightly lower fares ...I am still amused by the unfounded 'chicken little' claims of massive job losses etc. It seems a sad statement that AC with the Star Alliance, having an extensive global route structure and significant combined resources, would not be able to compete. What about the potential job growth for companies that wish to explore business opprtunities in the fastest growing/developing regions of the world? It is something that, apparently, 120+ corporations from the U.S. have set up in Dubai to do. Canada wants a free trade agreement with India. Improved/increased transportation links would seem to be an important component of such an arrangement. Dubai itself imports most everything it needs. If there was better opportunity to export Alberta beef or BC salmon or any other number of things, that would bring potential job growth, would it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rozar s'macco Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 WHY are there so many Canadians at EK? Ever wonder about that, Silver, MD2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD2 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 This is precious. You lobby for open access for Emirates at YYZ, YYC and YVR but demand extraordinarily limited access to Toronto Island to maintain Porter's defacto monopoly.What's good for the goose is good for the gandar. No dear, not "lobbying" for any one, just a general comment. I realize Calgary might be concerned for its code share market, plus with bigger birds on the horizon might be thinking about flying over the pond...but in principle, there can be little argument against allowing another carrier to enter Canada, especially when it is such a strong one with young fleet which provides for better transportation of goods and people, and new business opportunities, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say Altitude Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Wait until tomorrow when our Government finally retaliate to the Emirates actions. It's coming this Thursday or Friday. You will probably find out we have a new ally in the Gulf.Here's hoping. And on top of a new Gulf partner, I hope that we ban all over flight rights to Canada except those flights destined for YYZ. Time to stand up and push back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B75/76 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Here's hoping. And on top of a new Gulf partner, I hope that we ban all over flight rights to Canada except those flights destined for YYZ. Time to stand up and push back.Oh brother! Time to stand up and push back? Really? More than a little dramatic, don't you think?So now, not only do you not want to allow more flights to Canada, you also want to essentially have Canada dictate whether they continue to US destinations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say Altitude Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Oh brother! Time to stand up and push back? Really? More than a little dramatic, don't you think?So now, not only do you not want to allow more flights to Canada, you also want to essentially have Canada dictate whether they continue to US destinations?I'll make you a deal. Figure out how much extra they are spending on each flight by having to avoid our airspace to get to the US. Every flight that has to go "the long way", subtract it from the $300 Million it cost to move out of Camp Mirage and once the balance is zero, they can use our airspace again......And no, I don't think I'm being dramatic. We put our soldiers in harms way to bring stability to the region and this is the thanks we get?? If they don't like it - too bad. Don't come here.....there are other ways to the Middle East. Bob Rae is so far offside on this I'm stunned by his willingness to acquiesce.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebean Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I'll make you a deal. Figure out how much extra they are spending on each flight by having to avoid our airspace to get to the US. Every flight that has to go "the long way", subtract it from the $300 Million it cost to move out of Camp Mirage and once the balance is zero, they can use our airspace again......And no, I don't think I'm being dramatic. We put our soldiers in harms way to bring stability to the region and this is the thanks we get?? If they don't like it - too bad. Don't come here.....there are other ways to the Middle East. Bob Rae is so far offside on this I'm stunned by his willingness to acquiesce.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leading Edge Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Oh brother! Time to stand up and push back? Really? More than a little dramatic, don't you think?So now, not only do you not want to allow more flights to Canada, you also want to essentially have Canada dictate whether they continue to US destinations?Canada has the right to do with its airspace what it pleases, and the Ruling dictatorship in the Emirates would do well to realize this. Furthermore, Canadians will not be dictated to by the Emirate Elite, it is offensive for them to attempt to blackmail us with the closure of the base. We control our landing rights, and we will live by our decisions. The rulers of the Emirates would do well to remember that 154 Canadians have died trying to bring peace to a country in the region, and that their attempt to hurt Canadian interests will not be forgotten. I urge all Canadians to boycott Emirates Airlines as a way to protest our treatment by this country.I fully support Harper on this one, and I strongly urge him to give the appropriate response, time to push back.Sign me a proud Canadian.LE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Canada has the right to do with its airspace what it pleases, and the Ruling dictatorship in the Emirates would do well to realize this. Furthermore, Canadians will not be dictated to by the Emirate Elite, it is offensive for them to attempt to blackmail us with the closure of the base. We control our landing rights, and we will live by our decisions. The rulers of the Emirates would do well to remember that 154 Canadians have died trying to bring peace to a country in the region, and that their attempt to hurt Canadian interests will not be forgotten. I urge all Canadians to boycott Emirates Airlines as a way to protest our treatment by this country.I fully support Harper on this one, and I strongly urge him to give the appropriate response, time to push back.Sign me a proud Canadian.LEI second that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 How do you respond to the fact that the lease at the base expired and was no renewed? They were not just kicked out! Though I agree it is extremely poor behavior to not renew the fact is they were not kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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