Steam Driven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 Maybe Dagger should "STFU" and stick to something he knows a little about... As Duncan Clarke, Chairman and CEO of Global Pacific & Partners, the author of a new book, “The Battle for Barrels” points out regarding America’s continental shelf, “The undiscovered oil potential in the areas demarcated for possible offshore (exploration) in the Pacific, Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico could allow the tapping of up to 85 billion barrels of oil that technically could be recoverable awaits the political passage of bills through the legislature”, i.e., Congress. With the price of oil hitting more than $80 per barrel, one would think that Congress would be inclined to opening access to those billions of barrels, but the current Democrat-controlled Congress is more concerned about a bogus global warming than it is about insuring Americans can drive their cars and trucks, heat their homes, and process oil for the countless products it produces. And this doesn’t even include the vast reserves of natural gas that are estimated to exist. The fact is that there are billions more barrels to be found in the world, whether it’s in the Middle East, Africa, Russia, Venezuela, and much of the yet-to-be geologically researched map of the world. That bit of knowledge, however, rarely makes it into the mainstream media; media that can be depended upon to give lots of coverage to the “Peak Oil” crowd that has been predicting we will run out of oil any day now. A former chairman of Shell made news in late September when he warned the price of oil could hit $150 a barrel “with oil production peaking within the next 20 years.” You had to read further on in the article, published in London’s The Independent on September 16th to learn that he also said “I don’t know whether there is going to be a peak in world production….” Not Peak Oil, but Lots More Oil Do dead dinosaurs fuel our cars? The assumption that they do, along with other dead matter thought to have formed what are known as fossil fuels, has been an article of faith for centuries. Our geologists are taught fossil fuel theory in our schools; our energy companies search for fossil fuels by divining where the dinosaurs lay down and died. Sooner or later, we will run out of liquefied dinosaurs and be forced to turn to either nuclear or renewable fuels, virtually everyone believes. Except in Russia and Ukraine. What is to us a matter of scientific certainty is by no means accepted there. Many Russians and Ukrainians -- no slouches in the hard sciences -- have since the 1950s held that oil does not come exclusively, or even partly, from dinosaurs but is formed below the Earth's 25-mile deep crust. This theory -- first espoused in 1877 by Dmitri Mendeleev, who also developed the periodic table -- was rejected by geologists of the day because he postulated that the Earth's crust had deep faults, an idea then considered absurd. Mendeleev wouldn't be vindicated by his countrymen until after the Second World War when the then-Soviet Union, shut out of the Middle East and with scant petroleum reserves of its own, embarked on a crash program to develop a petroleum industry that would allow it to fend off the military and economic challenges posed by the West. Today, Russians laugh at our peak oil theories as they explore, and find, the bounty in the bowels of the Earth. Russia's reserves have been climbing steadily -- according to BP's annual survey, they stood at 45 billion barrels in 2001, 69 billion barrels in 2004, and 80 billion barrels of late, making Russia an oil super power that this year produced more oil than Saudi Arabia. Some oil auditing firms estimate Russia's reserves at up to 200 billion barrels. Despite Russia's success in exploration, most of those in the west who have known about the Russian-Ukrainian theories have dismissed them as beyond the Pale. This week, the Russian Pale can be found awfully close to home. Endless Oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check Pilot Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 My fervent hope is that our government continues to do the correct thing and that's to do absolutely nothing about this stupid Co2 swindle. I'm also disgusted that the mainstream media is just sitting on their asses and not reporting what's going on with the hacked info that is now so apparent to the world. ...Damn Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakelad Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 ...Damn Liberals. Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax November 26, 2009 - Telegraph.co.uk By James Delingpole - Politics Australia is leading the revolt against Al Gore’s great big AGW conspiracy – just as the Aussie geologist and AGW sceptic Professor Ian Plimer predicted it would. ABC news reports that five frontbenchers from Australia’s opposition Liberal party have resigned their portfolios rather than follow their leader Malcolm Turnbull in voting with Kevin Rudd’s Government on a new Emissions Trading Scheme. The Liberal Party is in turmoil with the resignations of five frontbenchers from their portfolios this afternoon in protest against the emissions trading scheme. Tony Abbott, Sophie Mirabella, Tony Smith and Senators Nick Minchin and Eric Abetz have all quit their portfolios because they cannot vote for the legislation. Senate whip Stephen Parry has also relinquished his position. The ETS is Australia’s version of America’s proposed Cap and Trade and the EU’s various carbon reduction schemes: a way of taxing business on its CO2 output. As Professor Plimer pointed out when I interviewed him in the summer, this threatens to cause enormous economic damage in Australia’s industrial and mining heartlands, not least because both are massively dependent on Australia’s vast reserves of coal. 'It is correspondingly extremely unpopular with Aussie’s outside the pinko, libtard metropolitan fleshpots.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 So Stelmach should just STFU about climate change because we need a national policy ASAP to encourage energy efficiency and green energy. Alberta, with wind and geothermal and solar potential in abundance, needs to diversify its own energy sources. There's that Toronto-centric attitude coming out again... I guess you haven't heard about the wind farms, then? I believe there's an entire town powered by geothermal in Alberta. Huh. Pretty backwoods, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam Driven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 One of the largest and first wind farms in Canada was built in Pincher Creek Alberta... PINCHER CREEK, Alta. -- The wind turbine on the Sinnott farm looks like a lawn ornament compared with the towering machines that nowadays speckle the foothills surrounding Pincher Creek. Physically small, yet enormously significant. This 80-foot turbine was the first machine to sell power into the transmission grid in Canada, the family says. George Sinnott's dad put it up in 1982, then spent a year or so fighting for the right to sell excess electricity into the grid. The Sinnott's lone turbine still whips around -- producing 65 kilowatts per hour, which is enough to power the family's farm and fertilizer operation three or four times over -- and is now surrounded by wind farms belonging to, among others, TransAlta Corp. and Canadian Hydro Developers Inc., the two companies the subject and object, respectively, of Monday's hostile takeover. Suncor Energy Inc. and Enbridge Inc. are among those now selling wind power into the grid elsewhere in Canada. But it was George Sinnott's late dad, Ernest, who first made it happen, assembling the metal pieces of a used Windmatic from California 27 years ago. "We got all kinds of weird comments," Mr. Sinnott says, looking up at machine. "The neighbours thought we were crazier than a shithouse mouse." Lessions in the Science of Wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam Driven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 Interesting document on the Wind generators in and around Pincher Creek... Castle River Wind Farm alberta_wind.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 There's that Toronto-centric attitude coming out again... I guess you haven't heard about the wind farms, then? I believe there's an entire town powered by geothermal in Alberta. Huh. Pretty backwoods, though. Oh wow, one town! The fact is almost all global investment into geo-thermal is going into other countries which have embraced it and are encouraging it. There are Canadian firms, mainly BC-based, which are directing all of their efforts towards projects in the US because the US government has incentives and Canada/Alberta does not. Alberta has significant geothermal potential, but no regime to encourage it. So by the time those opportunities are exploited, it will be by foreign companies who will build or source the equipment abroad and Alberta will miss out on thousands of good paying manufacturing jobs in parts of the province far removed from the oil sands. The potential is several thousand megawatts of baseload power, cheap, clean, renewable, with no radioactive or carbon wastes and minimal emissions. It's almost too-good-to-be-true power, almost all of the potential is in Western Canada, but governments with tunnel vision focused on the oil sands or other fossil fuel production ignore it. These government pay lip service to renewables, so as to look good to their own citizens, but what is needed is a concentrated effort - part of a pan-Canadian and a global initiative, to eliminate fossil fuels over the next several decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex 9A Guy Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 The Calgary Transit C-Train system is 100% wind powered. How is the TTC doing in that regard? Also this, not what I would call lip service. Carbon Capture Pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Another "expert???" wades in..... http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...ate-claims.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 The Calgary Transit C-Train system is 100% wind powered. Interesting. Do they have a dedicated wind farm that is directly connected to the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipped Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Check out what is going on in Australia. I hope Harper does the right hing and not sign on to this catastrophe. But how important is Canada's opinion on the world scale. http://wattsupwiththat. com/2009/11/27/the-australian-ets-vote-a-political-litmus-test-for-cap-and-trade/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Check out what is going on in Australia. I hope Harper does the right hing and not sign on to this catastrophe. But how important is Canada's opinion on the world scale. http://wattsupwiththat. com/2009/11/27/the-australian-ets-vote-a-political-litmus-test-for-cap-and-trade/ Funny, the Australian PM basically sandbagged Harper today at the Commonwealth conference in POS, suggesting Canada strongly supports the rather aggressive statement by Commonwealth leaders on climate change. Like i said, it doesn't matter IMO whether the science is true or it's all a scam. The world will run out of oil and climate change cap and trade and other measures are the only thing that can prepare the world for the post-fossil fuel world. Carbon taxes would get us there much faster, but are the political kiss of death. so maybe climate change is the tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chockalicious Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Cap and Trade is a scam on an enormous scale and having any economy tied to it is completely idiotic. Cap and Trade jobs are not "green" jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Cap and Trade is a scam on an enormous scale and having any economy tied to it is completely idiotic. Cap and Trade jobs are not "green" jobs. Cap an trade forces companies to become more energy efficient. Individual companies are reluctant to spend on energy efficiency - except those with an immediate ROI. They are mindful that their competitors may not be spending comparable money, and don't want to have to explain the impairment of short-term income in terms of a choice to be energy efficient. However, when every player has to do it, because of policy, then change happens. It is readily explicable to shareholders. If a pulp and paper company wants to replace its power boiler - a $100 million expense – with a new, more efficient one (often 20-30% more efficient), companies that make parts of power boilers, or the companies that build and install them, build control and safety systems for them, etc, are creating jobs. So yes, cap and trade does create jobs. End of story. It's a mechanism to effect needed change, to insulate Canadian industry from the effects of $200 or $300 oil. I, for one, am a peak oil believer, or even a Rubinest. (See Jeff Rubin and $200 oil). The freight train of higher fossil fuel prices is coming right at us, but group behaviour is so hard to change politicians have to use tactics that are hard to understand. But the future is coming increasingly clear to those without blinders or cataracts. So long as there is climate change pressure, vast amounts are being spent on energy efficiency and green energy, and the question is whether Canada will continue to be ill-prepared for the future, or whether it will embrace it. In California, Arnold has mandated that California utilities must source 30% of their power from renewables by 2020. I went to the Solar Power International trade show in Anaheim last month. It was massive - 10 times the size of the first SPI show a few years ago. Most of the solar companies and equipment makers are American, European or Asian. We're missing out on the growth of a massive industry in green power because we have no focus, just a few ad hoc policies. (I say bravo to Quebec, because with every new wind project in that province, a large proportion of turbines have significant local content because the province laid out investment rules to mandate it. Quebec backs it up with aggressive emissions reductions goals and with electricity purchase pricing for renewable energy that encourages such projects. Ontario now has one of the best feed-in tariffs in the world for green energy plus local content mandates.) If Stelmach doesn't like that other provinces have aggressive climate change and green energy programs, he can shove it. Albertans hated the Trudeau National Energy Program in the 1970s, and I take that part to heart, but don't shove the Harper National Energy Program down our throats because Ontario and Quebec and perhaps other provinces differ with Alberta on emissions reductions. I have no problem with Harper campaigning to keep environmentalists or foreign legislators from bashing the oil sands, but I do have a problem when Stelmach tries to meddle with efforts in Central Canada to re-position our economies to be less dependent on fossil fuels and to participate in a new energy economy for the post-fossil fuel age. I also have a problem with the idea that we should consume large amounts of natural gas to produce oil from the oil sands because that also emperils the economy of the country as a whole. Simply put, we are using more gas than we are discovering, a function of weak gas prices combined with a negative royalty scheme which, even watered down from where it was headed a year ago, provides little incentive today for gas companies to drill. If Stelmach wanted to be real, he could put more money into the alternatives - or support expansion of mass transit, inter-city high speed rail, etc. Or it could support a nuclear program for the tar sands to cut down on both emissions and natural gas consumption. That way Alberta would offset part of the growth of emissions from oil sands expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam Driven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 Dagger, we are a long, long, LONG way from "the post-fossil fuel age"... Reserves of Natural Gas are way up. Up so far in fact that there is no pressing need for the MacKenzie Valley pipeline that would transport another couple trillion cubic feet of Natural Gas to homes that need heat and electricity... What the recent run-up in prices for energy has done is make Exploration, Refiners and Users smarter, more efficient and better equipped to provide the energy we need. If new sources of power are found, great, bring them on. At market rates. Let industry and society decide in a free market. If the technology needs a hand-out, a subsidy from the Gov't then it is not ready for public consumption. Why did we switch from wood and Coal fires to heat our homes? The market provided a new product that was cheaper and more efficient. I see the same thing happening in the not too distant future. When it is cheaper and more efficient... The Government has no business picking winner's and losers... Thanks to new drilling technologies that are unlocking substantial amounts of natural gas from shale rocks, the nation’s estimated gas reserves have surged by 35 percent, according to a study due for release on Thursday. The report by the Potential Gas Committee, the authority on gas supplies, shows the United States holds far larger reserves than previously thought. The jump is the largest increase in the 44-year history of reports from the committee. The finding raises the possibility that natural gas could emerge as a critical transition fuel that could help to battle global warming. For a given amount of heat energy, burning gas produces about half as much carbon dioxide, the main cause of global warming, as burning coal. Estimated natural gas reserves rose to 2,074 trillion cubic feet in 2008, from 1,532 trillion cubic feet in 2006, when the last report was issued. This includes the proven reserves compiled by the Energy Department of 237 trillion cubic feet, as well as the sum of the nation’s probable, possible and speculative reserves. Natural Gas Reserves 35% Higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 With all the links that have been posted here, I don't know if this CBC video has already been posted, but I watched it yesterday, and I think it's worth the time: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...global+warming# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Dagger, we are a long, long, LONG way from "the post-fossil fuel age"... Reserves of Natural Gas are way up. Up so far in fact that there is no pressing need for the MacKenzie Valley pipeline that would transport another couple trillion cubic feet of Natural Gas to homes that need heat and electricity... What the recent run-up in prices for energy has done is make Exploration, Refiners and Users smarter, more efficient and better equipped to provide the energy we need. If new sources of power are found, great, bring them on. At market rates. Let industry and society decide in a free market. If the technology needs a hand-out, a subsidy from the Gov't then it is not ready for public consumption. Why did we switch from wood and Coal fires to heat our homes? The market provided a new product that was cheaper and more efficient. I see the same thing happening in the not too distant future. When it is cheaper and more efficient... The Government has no business picking winner's and losers... Natural Gas Reserves 35% Higher Those aren't our gas reserves. They are US reserves, and in any major transition to Natgas, say, to power every passenger car, they will be depleted rapidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam Driven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 "My model is right, it's the real world that is wrong..." Very interesting Mitch, thanks for the link. I must admit that I was prepared to scoff - it being the CBC and all - but it is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam Driven Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 "Those aren't our gas reserves. They are US reserves, and in any major transition to Natgas, say, to power every passenger car, they will be depleted rapidly. Would you allow the proposition that the transition to Natgas would free up more diesel, now currently used in some power plants, that could be used to power our transportation network? Do you realize how much 2 TRILLION cubic feet of gas is? Do you realize that we are adding to the reserves, more fuel than we can use? Yes they are the U.S. reserves... We've got 57 TRILLION Cu. Ft. more. Qatar has 24 TRILLION... Natural Gas Reserves 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 so maybe climate change is the tool. So you're ok with untold trillions of dollars of money being spent on flawed science and propaganda? Are you mental? Just because it's a means to an end? GWB's lameass excuse for the Iraq invasion had more intelligence and logic behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...ed-science.aspx An excerpt from the article: "...Their first step was to assemble a database of temperature measurements and plot temperature charts. To do that, they needed raw temperature measurements that had not been averaged or adjusted in any way. Courtillot asked Phil Jones, the scientist who runs the CRU database, for his raw data, telling him (according to one of the ‘Climategate’ emails that surfaced following the recent hacking of CRU’s computer systems) “there may be some quite important information in the daily values which is likely lost on monthly averaging.” Jones refused Courtillot’s request for data, saying that CRU had “signed agreements with national meteorological services saying they would not pass the raw data onto third parties.” (Interestingly, in another of the CRU emails, Jones said something very different: “I took a decision not to release our [meteorological] station data, mainly because of McIntyre,” referring to Canadian Steve McIntyre, who helped uncover the flaws in the hockey stick graph.)..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 It just occurred to me that the whole climate change 'scam', or whatever you want to call it, is a lot like the story, "The Emperor's New Clothes". the one voice finally stood out from the crowd, and said it loudly and simply enough that we're finally seeing the snowball effect, and now soon everyone will be saying the Emperor is naked.(and no, I don't mean you, WoXoF! lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 With all the links that have been posted here, I don't know if this CBC video has already been posted, but I watched it yesterday, and I think it's worth the time: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...global+warming# I'm shocked! CBC? Really!? Very informative, thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadji Ramjet Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Toe-to-heel air injection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Toe-to-heel air injection. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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