Kip Powick Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Love it.. Click on the link "INSPIRATION" in the above link to see more info and photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Beautiful pics of a beautiful bird I have noticed one thing though, if you look at the first pic, he's flying with frost on the leading edge. Iceman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Thanks for the link Kip, What a beautiful machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 I have noticed one thing though, if you look at the first pic, he's flying with frost on the leading edge. Iceman Phhhhhhtttt !! That is the reflection of the Hawk head. You can see it very clearly if you scroll down and you look at the photo of the bird in the hanger. The "frost" is now on the right wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AME Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 photo of the bird in the hanger. You'd better fix it before Mitch catches you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Phhhhhhtttt !! That is the reflection of the Hawk head. You can see it very clearly if you scroll down and you look at the photo of the bird in the hanger. The "frost" is now on the right wing Kip, Kip, Kip... Give me a little respect as a professional I know what a reflection is. If you look outboard of that point all along the leading edge of both wings, you can see the frost dissected by the stringers along the slat. Also, if you go to the seventh last pic, the one in front of the hangar, you can also see the frost on the slat in the shadow of the fuselage on the left wing. Maybe you need the cheater glasses and Scuba 2 has to hold the monitor a little farther away Iceman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Kip, Kip, Kip... Give me a little respect as a professional I know what a reflection is. If you look outboard of that point all along the leading edge of both wings, you can see the frost dissected by the stringers along the slat. Also, if you go to the seventh last pic, the one in front of the hangar, you can also see the frost on the slat in the shadow of the fuselage on the left wing. Maybe you need the cheater glasses and Scuba 2 has to hold the monitor a little farther away Iceman Nyet !!! Those LE are polished to perfection and in my opinion you are looking at reflections.......... I can't see frost forming only on the inboard LEDs and not on any other part of the aircraft. The aircraft was cruising from OW to OD and if the fuel was warmer than OAT then maybe frost on the underside of the wing, even at -27C ??? ...but not on the inboard LED only.......but I could be wrong.............again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex 9A Guy Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I have to agree with Kip on this one. I see nothing more than a reflection in any of the pictures. The airborne one is a sun glint IMHO and the one outside the hangar is a reflection of the snow beneath the aircraft. I think you sprayers of orange and green stuff are just spring loaded to spray the "Naughty Word" out of it. If it looks like frost it's gotta be frost. LOLOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woxof Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Give me a little respect as a professional I know what a reflection is. If you look outboard of that point all along the leading edge of both wings, you can see the frost dissected by the stringers along the slat. Also, if you go to the seventh last pic, the one in front of the hangar, you can also see the frost on the slat in the shadow of the fuselage on the left wing. Looks like the professional wanting respect needs some initial training. Somehow a plane that just arrived from an hour long flight from Sault Saint Marie has frost on it still. Remind me who not to get a tactile check from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanishing point Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 There's one of these in the same colours on a pedestal in Brockville, ON at the pier on the St. Lawrence River. Haven't seen it in years but was looking a bit scruffy back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Good Morning Kip and LE... What I see in the picture is what we see every day on spoiler panels. It is the cold soaking into a hollow/composite part of the wing. It causes a 'discoloration' much like condensation on a beer can, but has no substance to it. It is visible, but not really anything that has substance. Ever since the change to CARS after Dryden, we spray dozens of aircraft daily for the same phenomena as you see clearly in those two pictures. So if you claim it isn't frost, from decades of tactile tests, I will agree with you. It shows up in sunlight, but really glows in the sodium lights around the terminal, and the debate really is, is it a contaminant? Keeping in mind that SAFETY is always top priority, are we being too safe? Iceman P.S. Sorry for changing the direction of the thread, and yes, it still is a gorgeous bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyman Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Very nice pics indeed. I remember seeing Clancy jumping into a Sabre at the MooseJaw Airshow back in 83 I believe. He flew the Sunday show routine. What a smile he had on his face after stepping out. Wish I had a chance to fly that machine...one of a few very special aircraft in our aviation history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woxof Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If you look outboard of that point all along the leading edge of both wings, you can see the frost dissected by the stringers along the slat. Give me a little respect as a professional Maybe you need the cheater glasses What I see in the picture is what we see every day on spoiler panels. It is the cold soaking into a hollow/composite part of the wing. It causes a 'discoloration' much like condensation on a beer can, but has no substance to it. we spray dozens of aircraft daily for the same phenomena as you see clearly in those two pictures. Alright........time to put this finally to rest. So how come when they are pushing the plane into the hangar on the fifth last picture, the leading edge is beautiful polished frost free aluminum. Did they de-ice after landing before they started pushing it in the hangar? It was mentioned that the first picture in flight has frost on it. Aside from perhaps fuel tank areas, how many have seen a jet landing on a nice sunny day with frost on the leading edges after an hour long flight? Perhaps a longer flight as it says at least one flypast was done. Here is a photo from before it was repainted and polished. You have that different reflections of light off the slat in this photo just like you see on the photos discussed above. It is in a nice warm hangar so frost is highly unlikely. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2328488690043471775TUYDjL Below is the same aircraft with the same frosty wings on a nice warm summer day. Cheater glasses not included. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2253746490043471775rXnxow You are spraying dozens of aircraft every day for stuff like this? How many times as a pax have we seen AC spray and wonder why they are spraying? Now we know why. Looks like you have created yourself a summer job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Save the picture. Blow it up & note the red frost. Or reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Alright........time to put this finally to rest. So how come when they are pushing the plane into the hangar on the fifth last picture, the leading edge is beautiful polished frost free aluminum. Did they de-ice after landing before they started pushing it in the hangar? It was mentioned that the first picture in flight has frost on it. Aside from perhaps fuel tank areas, how many have seen a jet landing on a nice sunny day with frost on the leading edges after an hour long flight? Perhaps a longer flight as it says at least one flypast was done. Morning W... I am basing my observations on the fact that the webpage says that it was -27c at the time, and what I observe in the photos is the same type of cold soaking phenomena that we see on wings on a daily basis. As I said before, if you look at the seventh picture from the bottom, you see the discoloration on the left wing in the shade but not on the right wing. That is an indication of cold soaking and the start of the formation of frost. Is it frost? According to most of the flightcrews of aircraft that we inspect it is and we are then mandated to spray/mop/wipe it off. Your additional pictures, taken in warmer times, show that the discoloration of the leading edge is something to do with either the age of the metal, or the manufacturing of the part. I won't deny that. Frost is a dynamic beast. It all depends on temp, humidity, winds, cloud cover, and many other variables. It will appear on aircraft on one side of the terminal, but not on the other. It will form, dissipate, then reform. It is an ever changing thing. One can make assumptions from a picture, although it is only through a thorough tactile check that you can only be sure that it is really frost. It isn't something that can be clearly observed from a distance or through a window. So to summarise, the pictures on the website show a condition that leads us to perform a tactile inspection for frost. Most times we have to spray aircraft because the flight crews see the same phenomena through the windows and want a clean wing. Is it frost? Iceman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Is it frost? Iceman No........ but I did see David in the movie "Nixon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadji Ramjet Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Rose says there wasn't any frost, and he was in the best position to see. Can't wait to see it formate with Bud Granley's Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snobrd6 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Handyman....were you refering to Clancy Sheldrup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snobrd6 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Centennial of Flight Dinner If you want to see this fabulous piece of Canadian aviation history, meet some of the gentlemen who flew with the "Hawks" and celebrate 100 years of Canadian aviation history, then see the link below. I know tickets are going fast. They sold 150 seats in the first two weeks! Hopefully see you there! http://www.comoxairforcemuseum.ca/cofdinner.html Per Ardua Ad Astra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyman Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Handyman....were you refering to Clancy Sheldrup? Was there ever another Clancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snobrd6 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 LOL...no there wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 24, 2009 Author Share Posted January 24, 2009 He was a hoot to fly with, a party animal, and we lost a real gem of an individal when he flew "west". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyman Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 There was always a group of young new pilots hanging around him listening to those stories. Very entertaining he was regardless of how many times you heard them. Yup, that day in YYC was very sad indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snobrd6 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Between Clancy and Jerry Kennedy, I don't know who told the better stories...I was lucky to be one of "Jerry's Kids" working in Standards in YMJ, what a fun time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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