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  1. 1. If the election were to be held today, which party would you vote for?

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    • Canadian Action Party
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    • Communist Party of Canada
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    • Conservative Party of Canada
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    • Green Party of Canada
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National Post

May 26, 2004

NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING REACHES OUTER LIMITS

By Bub E. Zleeb

NEERLANDIA, Alta. - Paul Martin's inner circle is debating whether to release a television commercial depicting Stephen Harper, the Conservative leader, as a spawn of Satan.

Several Martin insiders are suggesting the party should refrain from running the ads but instead release them to friendly media outlets, which would then do the party's dirty work for it - like anybody would ever fall for that old trick.

Did we mention this is a Post Mortem exclusive?

The ad opens with a happy shot of children playing by the lighthouse at Peggys Cove. Then the music turns stentorian, dark clouds are shown barreling in, and the viewer sees the final scene of Rosemary's Baby, with Mr. Harper's face superimposed over the baby's. The ad then shows Harper as a grown devil, complete with horns, and the voice-over says: "What kind of Canada do you want? On June 28th, say no to Satan and his minions in the warmed-over Reform Alliance party."

Mr. Harper, informed of the ad as he campaigned northwest of Edmonton, said: "All these times before, when I complained the Liberals were demonizing me, I meant it metaphorically. But this -- this is really a bit much. I mean, I didn't even like the ending of Rosemary's Baby."

However, a senior Liberal strategist stood by the commercial. The strategist, speaking on condition of anonymity for about the 500th time this week, said: "The ads are totally legit. Be forewarned, for one day when Harper was leaving a scrum, he stepped on my foot and it definitely left a cloven-hoof-shaped impression. Also it burned like heck. Another time, I was at the sink in one of the parliamentary washrooms, and his reflection didn't show up in the mirror. His inner circle is a pentagram. He doesn't have focus groups, he has covens. The guard dog at Stornoway has three heads -- ever notice that? When Harper went to see Lord of the Rings, he cheered for the orcs. He said the shire was economically inefficient and Sauron would introduce overdue market disciplines.

"The evidence is clear and overwhelming: Stephen Harper has entered a U.S.-style pact with Satan. How else would he get to be prime minister?"

When it was pointed out that Paul Martin is in fact Prime Minister, the strategist said, "OK, scotch that last part."

Mr. Martin himself, campaigning in Zealandia, Sask., made a measured attempt to distance himself from the attack ad. "We all know Stephen Harper is scary," he said. "That's a given. My team might have gone a bit overboard, but that's only because they love Canada, the same Canada the dark lord of the Conservative party would cast into eternal darkness. And now, my friends, let us all get down on our knees and pray for the soul of this great nation of ours."

Late last night, as he boarded his campaign bus after his final public event of the day, Mr. Harper entered the fray anew, less coolly this time. "Is this how they want to play it? Is this what they want? Fine. Paul Martin is the love child of Gerda Munsinger and John Diefenbaker. If he wins this election, he will cancel all future elections. He wears mismatched socks and Tampa Bay Lightning boxer shorts. Can we please move on now?"

Many voters already have.

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Guest Benny1

I don't care who you vote for, just get out and vote. Most goverments pay lip service to the notion of having all people vote. They would prefer that you stay home if you are not going to vote for them. 1 person 1 vote. Get rid of the practice of 1'st past the post.

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Guest curtiss jenny

I agree Benny1

There should be an emphasis on getting people out vote.

Not sure of the actual number but I understand voter turnout is in the 40% range.

If we had 90% mabey the politicians would take the taxpayers a little more seriously, and feel a little more accountable for their actions.

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Better check your facts before you start typing...

We are first in a number of things with regard to G-8 countries. We are the highest taxed,

Taxes are MUCH higher in Germany, France and Italy and the US GDP growth is the result of massive deficit spending.

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I have to say that for the first time in my life, i have absolutly no idea for wich one i will vote for... I strongly believe in any democratic expression and feel ashamed that i will probably be voting for a party, who will not represent my vision of this country.

Liberals ?

Never voted for them and never will ( IMHO, they have to be destroyed like the conservatives a decade ago: They are representing themselves; not the people of this country).

Conservatives ?

I was behind them from the first time. They were the first i voted for when i turned 18 (long time ago). They really deceived me at the end of their last mandate and now; they are mostly a bunch of ex. reform party ( extremist to the right and will sell our souls to the U.S of A$$ at the first opportunity) I have absolutly no faith in the present form of the party.

Bloc Québécois ?

I voted for them after meech sinked. I lost faith in Canada, as my feeling was that nobody, in the rest of Canada, will ever understand what Québec is made of. That was the first and the last time i voted for them ( I realized, after they were elected, that they where just a bunch of PQ guys pushing for separation at any cost. I will never vote for them again as, they represented my frustration at first and should be gone by now.

NPD ?

You still think this party is a Canadian party ? That they are on the left side and will be the solution to our social problems ? That they will keep our country glued together ? Think twice before voting and just take a look at their orientations: you could be very surprised... ( Why do you think they've never been able to attract quebecers ? think about that...).

Other parties ?

Something more like a parking style vote: No real effect.

I believe in a Canada who includes my province and every other on a same level. I don't believe in Jean Charest as a good provincial leader but, as someone who can fix this country: You betcha !!! Every province is united to the others and speak as one to Ottawa: I love it !!! Now, every canadian has to ask for changes and push for a party who represents each province (don't look around, there's none...)

My vision is: scrap the whole constitution and leave the powers to the provinces; elect a federal governement for the country's common interest ( defense, transport, natural ressources, etc...) Let the provinces deal with the others and clean this whole mess made by the britishs... Let's speak with one voice, for our best interest.

I'm dreamin' but; Hey ! there is noting good right now in Ottawa so, call it a vision...

MHC

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Guest ZX56034

Like this is going to be any different! Just look at our history of governments since day one. It has either been Liberal or Conservative. One or the other. Does anyone else think it will be a first for Canada to see anyone else run the show?

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"Taxes are MUCH higher in Germany, France and Italy and the US GDP growth is the result of massive deficit spending."

Again with the facts...

As a percentage of GDP Canada collects 38% in taxes.

- U.S.A 29%

- Japan 29%

- OECD Average 37%

- Germany 37%

- U.K. 37%

Between 1968 and 1998 Taxes in the U.S.A. have risen 16%, OECD Average 43%, France 31 % and Canada - 44%.

Debt as a percentage of GDP in Canada is 48%. Sweden 2%, U.K. 33%, France 43%, Japan 44%, U.S. 43%, Germany 42%.

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you can prove anything with statistics,

in real terms, if you take your pay cheque almost anywhere in europe you will pay more in taxes than you would in Canada.

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Most, if not all of the voters in the above poll are likely airline employees, so the backlash against the Liberals and what they have done to the aviation industry is understandable. The Convervative/Mulroney Airbus scandal appears to be forgotten.

I wonder how employees of advertising agencies would vote in this poll? Particularly Quebec based firms and employees.

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You can prove anything with statistics, in real terms, if you take your pay cheque almost anywhere in europe you will pay more in taxes than you would in Canada.

I guess I should just take your word then that taxes are higher elsewhere and that I should be happy with my current take home pay...

In "real terms" between the federal and provincial governments my take - home is half of the amount on my paycheque. Our tax is taxed with the GST on purchases. We have Fee's that are charged by branches of the Government that are then Taxed by the GST. As far as my statistics go they are an average and in "Real Terms" low as far as my paycheque is concerned...

I take the time to investigate your claims and you refute them by saying that I can prove anything with statistics... Other than your "idea" that European's pay more in taxes what have you got to back you up?

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Guest rumboy

For what it's worth, Mike Chong who is the Conservative candidate for Halton-Wellington in Ontario seemed like an okay guy....for a politician. He came a knockin' and he actually chatted with me for over 30 min about the aviation industry and we even talked about something very important to me, father's rights and the billion dollar divorce industry. I give him credit...he listened...will he do anything if elected? Probably not. He did however, get my vote. No vote, no opinion as they say.

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Top bracket personal income tax rates in Europe,

Germany: 44%

England: 41%, likely to rise, not to mention 17% VAT

France: 61%

Belgium: 66%

Denmark and Sweden: 62%

can't find Italy.

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"Top bracket personal income tax rates in Europe,

Germany: 44%

England: 41%, likely to rise, not to mention 17% VAT

France: 61%

Belgium: 66%

Denmark and Sweden: 62%"

Nice figures, however you were arguing taxes in "Real Terms" so here is something for you to peruse...

Your 41% in the U.K. looks like a bargin even with a VAT. Germany doesn't look too bad at 44%...

CANADIAN TAX SYSTEM: HEGEL WAS RIGHT  

 by Ralph Maddocks Aug. 1998

The average cash income in Quebec was 54,210 $ with total taxes amounting to 27,517 $, for a total tax rate of 50.7%. The split was roughly 48% federal, 45% provincial with the remainder being extorted by municipalities. This is made all the more interesting when one discovers that Quebec receives transfers from the federal government equal to 15% of its provincial revenue. Not something that the oleaginous Finance Minister dares to mention. 

  

Comparing peaches with oranges 

  

          It is difficult to compare Quebec to other provinces because their average cash incomes are, in general, higher. Where they are lower, such as in Nova Scotia, the comparable income is 52,486 $, the tax rate 42.3% and Tax Freedom Day is June 5th. Alberta, which has an average cash income for that group of 65,897 $ and a tax rate of 44.5% celebrated it’s Tax Freedom Day on June 13th. Whether this is the beginning of an overall downward trend or not is hard to say since Saskatchewan’s Tax Freedom day actually went from June 22th to July 2nd due to an unusual event in 1997. 

  

          The high rates of tax at both federal and provincial levels are driving out the more mobile and better educated citizens. Even for an ordinary wage earner there are nine better places to live than Quebec, at least from a tax point of view. If you are a high income earner, then Alberta with its top rate of 46% may suddenly seem appealing. Lotus land has the highest combined federal-provincial top marginal tax rate, a staggering 54%. Perhaps not surprising for a province whose left-wing NDP government is ruining the provincial economy and driving investors and businesses eastward to Alberta. In all fairness to them though, it should be admitted that within three years their top marginal tax rate is supposed to fall from the present 53% to 49.9%. 

  

          Analysis of the economics of imposing high marginal tax rates on people shows that for each extra dollar of tax revenue it receives, BC loses 65 $ in economic activity. In Quebec, this is estimated to be over 70 $. It is often surprising to see how little politicians, especially those with an egalitarian bent, seem to understand such simple facts. People reduce their efforts to earn more if it will be taxed at higher rates and begin to look for ways to receive their compensation in untaxable forms. People spend their energies on finding ways to evade taxes, they look for tax shelters, they put off the sale of appreciated assets and so on. Bernard Landry seems to understand this latter concept quite well since he is always showing us TV clips of people working under tables. He seems to think that hiring more tax inspectors and encouraging snitches is the answer to improving the moral climate. Reducing taxes doesn’t seem to occur to him as a possible starter for the economic motor. One could well ask why this province has such high unemployment rates and so little serious investment. Assuming that you were a simple investor living outside this country and you have an idea and a few millions to invest, would you bring it to Quebec or take it to Alberta? 

  

Equality vs. Equity 

  

          The egalitarian philosophy which seems to dominate the minds of most of our politicians impels them to indulge in rhetoric about tax equity, by which they mean that the more you earn the higher the rate of tax you should pay in order to be equitable. That this may cause you to leave for another jurisdiction, that higher rates may not be producing greater revenues or that such actions may even impose heavy costs on society is rarely if ever considered. 

  

          The top marginal rates in other countries are: 40% in the UK, 33% in New Zealand and even in that preview of socialist heaven, Sweden, they have brought their top rates down to 51% on earnings and 30% on capital incomes. Our neighbours to the south have a top marginal tax rate of 39.6% on taxable incomes of 264,000 $ (approximately 400,000 $ Can.). Canada’s top rate starts at almost one seventh of that amount, nearly 60,000 $. Is it so very surprising that people leave this province and this country? 

  

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Well copyied Steam Driven.

Personaly I have lived in Norway ,Australia and the Good ole US of A..all these countries enjoy one common denominator..you guessed it ...mortgage right off...in fact Norway...up there with Sweden as far as socialistic taxation goes...encourages one to borrow..that's right, you want a new Mercedes?...right it off..mortgage,,,goes without saying...Welcome to CANADA...arr

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..and to add to Steam Driven's arguement. I'll pay less in REAL taxes in, say Austria, AND...AND have a far better lifestyle. I'll get a MINIMUM of 5 weeks off per year, superior health care, 16 stat days per year etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

It seems our tax dollars do not get very far--unless your a government crony--Liberal or otherwise-they're all the same in my book.

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Guest McDoo the Irish Navigator

Ladies and Gentlemen;

Everyone has totally overlooked the Guinness Party.

Go to www.guinnessvote.ca to cast your ballot in favour of making St. Patrick's Day a stat holiday.

Slainte;

McDoo

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Shouldn't you be studying McDoo? Haven't you got a date with a training Capt. tomorrow? dry.gif

Perhaps we'll quaff a Guinness in Medazona while we watch the Flames and the Lightning...

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Guest rattler

By the results of the poll it seems that only conservatives use this forum.... tongue.gif

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Guest Hawkeye

<<"Where the hell is the Rhino Party in that Poll!!!! Lets give each province a Rocky Mountain and Sink Newfoundland!!!! >>

Sink Newfoundland! Why we could send you one of our massive Icebergs and just allow it to melt in a warm chinook wind and wash you all away.

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