Guest AME Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Things that make you go hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AME Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/ CONSPIRACY THEORIES: the fifth estate's Bob McKeown finds that even the most outlandish conspiracy theory may have its basis in a legitimate question. In the course of separating fact from fiction, Bob delves into the labyrinthine and surprising ties between the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. What he finds out may startle you as much as any conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CDB Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Thanks Don for pointing this show out a little while ago; I finally got to see it last night. It's always fun hearing one end of the spectrum from the government, hearing the complete opposite from the conspiracy theorists, and then trying to figure out the truth which is probably somewhere in between. The most startling realization that I came to was that you really can't trust what the Bush Institution has been saying all along (Papa Bush was meeting Bin Laden's brother the day of the attacks - I still can't believe that!) Anyhoo, was a really interesting show. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 CDB; Well, all this is even more interesting given the events leading up to the Hutton Report (David Kelly suicide) in Great Britain. Blair has taken far more heat than Bush has for manufacturing consent by straight out lying to almost everyone in order to justify the invasion of yet another country, this time for oil. It was concluded by UNMOVIC (Hans Blix) the UN committee created after the US neutered UNSCOM, that there were no WMDs and that such a story was manufactured, but few listened at this time last year. Today, the manufactured WMD "threat" is an embarrassment to all but the most indoctrinated. Powell himself has now admitted (after his tirade before the UN) that WMD's will not likely be found. Kenneth Pollack who wrote "The Threatening Storm" is now writing widely about how and why the US went wrong in invading Iraq. There are many ways to neutralize a terror like Saddam but we need to think about those spectacular pictures that the sycophantic CNN loves for ratings...did it take the full force of the US armed forces to take out one man? For manufactured reasons? If so, why is Kim Jong Il still around? He's proven to have WMD's. Maybe Korea doesn't have oil? Anyhoo...the re-broadcast of the documentary is timely given both Bush and Blair being caught in that the population lends the slightest credence to what their leaders say is a testimony to the brilliant techniques of propaganda first refined by Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman over 50 years ago. Its pure "Blair Witch" techniques; frighten everyone out of their wits, but in Bush's case its all taken seriously instead of being a dumb movie. Manufacturing consent is a sophisticated, richly-funded industry and it works, just like terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 CDB; Well, all this is even more interesting given the events leading up to the Hutton Report (David Kelly suicide) in Great Britain. Blair has taken far more heat than Bush has for manufacturing consent by straight out lying to almost everyone in order to justify the invasion of yet another country, this time for oil. It was concluded by UNMOVIC (Hans Blix) the UN committee created after the US neutered UNSCOM, that there were no WMDs and that such a story was manufactured, but few listened at this time last year. Today, the manufactured WMD "threat" is an embarrassment to all but the most indoctrinated. Powell himself has now admitted (after his tirade before the UN) that WMD's will not likely be found. Kenneth Pollack who wrote "The Threatening Storm" is now writing widely about how and why the US went wrong in invading Iraq. There are many ways to neutralize a terror like Saddam but we need to think about those spectacular pictures that the sycophantic CNN loves for ratings...did it take the full force of the US armed forces to take out one man? For manufactured reasons? If so, why is Kim Jong Il still around? He's proven to have WMD's. Maybe Korea doesn't have oil? Anyhoo...the re-broadcast of the documentary is timely given both Bush and Blair being caught in that the population lends the slightest credence to what their leaders say is a testimony to the brilliant techniques of propaganda first refined by Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman over 50 years ago. Its pure "Blair Witch" techniques; frighten everyone out of their wits, but in Bush's case its all taken seriously instead of being a dumb movie. Manufacturing consent is a sophisticated, richly-funded industry and it works, just like terrorism. I prefer to call those kinds of conspiracies "loose arrangements" where everyone has grown up knowing what's required and how to behave. No manuals, no meetings, no email, just comprehension of how things are done. It works on the schoolyard playground, in boardrooms, in courts, in cabinet rooms and anywhere where there are groups trying to do stuff. Conspiracies are notoriously difficult to control and keep quiet, and are revealed when "secrets" are leaked. But patterns are much more difficult to detect unless one has "changed glasses" and is seeing the world differently. Because these latter groups have nothing to hide and do their work overtly right out in public, and because they know one another well and long, they simply do what they will until someone begins putting together the pattern which connects. No "revelations", no secrets suddenly expose these groups. Its much like how camouflage works. Until movement is detected by the eye, the quarry is invisible. Until patterns are seen by the mind, the bits are unrelated noise. Still, I think the CBC did a huge public service just by getting people to think about it. I don't think the timing was accidental...near the primaries, and near when the Hutton Report was to be presented to the UK Parliament. That Blair would survive was a given... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JakeYYZ Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Even as I type, Al queda agents are hauling Chickens of Mass Destruction across Asian borders faster than the Orientals can choke them. In an unprecedented attack on western democratic culture, Osama has ordered his turbaned minions to spread the CMD’s throughout the world to break the spirit of the west with a mild case of the flu. Is there any oil in Thailand?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Well JakeYYZ, this is serious stuff. Just imagine for example if a chicken is found wandering in a terminal building or, god forbid, someone receives an unmarked manila envelope in the mail with a chicken hidden in it. The chaos, the media ratings, the Orange Alerts, the sales of beef... You're right. The government of Thailand is probably thanking whatever bountiful gods there are that their land wasn't blessed with rich deposits of oil, and praising small mercies that they only have sick chickens to worry themselves over, that is, until the next WMF disciplinary devaluation of the baht. But I hear the Seventh Fleet has already been dispatched as flocking chickens are reported to be massing near a no-fly zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 JakeYYZ, this is serious stuff. Just imagine for example if a chicken is found wandering in a terminal building or, god forbid, someone receives an unmarked manila envelope in the mail with a chicken hidden in it. Imagine if during the constant wandings, inspections, detections, selections and neglections and the shoe and belt removals those untrustworthy flight crews were caught carrying chickens, . . . "Hiding chickens are we? Step this way please"...SSNNnnAaaaaPPPp! go the gloves...while the donut-and-water people look the other way, punch in their codes and slide through unfeathered, unnoticed. One loose chicken and the terminal shuts down for the afternoon. O, the chaos, the media ratings, the Orange Alerts, the sales of beef... You're right. The government of Thailand is probably thanking whatever bountiful gods there are that their land wasn't blessed with rich deposits of oil, and praising small mercies that they only have sick chickens to worry themselves over, that is, until the next WMF disciplinary devaluation of the baht. But I hear the Seventh Fleet has already been dispatched as those flocking chickens are reported to be massing near a no-fly zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vrefplus5 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 "...SSNNnnAaaaaPPPp! go the gloves..." That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time, Thanks!! (The next thing he heard them say was "We need a second opinion") Owww!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 bbbbbBBBwaaaaahhhwwwwkkk, buk, buk, ... bgaAWWK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CDB Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 mmmmm mad chickens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Is the next conspiracy theory going to be.... The reason why they changed the McNuggets recipe????? Oh the Horror!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CDB Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 It's also interesting timing given David Kay's recent testimony that the entire global intelligence community was full of &%$@! with regards to Iraq. Unfortunately, as you hinted the Bush Institution does not (and probably never will) garner nearly enough attention and scrutiny for its actions and the premises on which it bases those actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CDB Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/16393.htm "January 22, 2004 -- LAST February, Morgan Spurlock decided to become a gastronomical guinea pig. His mission: To eat three meals a day for 30 days at McDonald's and document the impact on his health..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M. McRae Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 He forgot to mention that Canada's was spot on, at least the one subscribed to by our former PM...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest caevans Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hudson, yeramess! Evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Yep! :[ (8) ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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