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UpperDeck

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  1. Don't rely on the Canadian govn't website. The biggest issue is the EMU standard for full vaccination. If you're a hybrid....research that closely. My understanding is that for entry to Ireland, you need 1) proof of full vaccination more than 14 days prior; or 2) negative 72 hour PCR....possible quarantine; or 3) evidence of recovery from infection within 180 days. Coming home...vaccination. At the least. I can't figure out whether you also ( still) need a 72 hour PCR if you're a citizen. Great fun, no? Doesn't matter what I've posted. Obviously, you will independently confirm but I do emphasize....go to the website of Ireland Tourism to get entry info; don't rely on Canada. After all...they told you that mixed vaccines were just fine...4 months apart!!
  2. But surely you must ask yourself; " Why does he ( presumptively) exclude AME's?
  3. One other question of the cogniscenti ( IFG?)... If 10% of the population is vulnerable to Covid and the (a) vaccine is 90% effective, is it the same 10% who are at risk? It seems as though it is acknowledged that if you have a " breakthrough" infection, the likelihood of serious illness is greatly diminished but it seems to me that we are collectively striving to protect that 10% without any real understanding of the genetic fingerprint of that 10%.
  4. Does anybody have the information ( knowledge) required to answer the question; ....if one had the virus and recovered, is that person more or less susceptible to re-infection than is a fully vaccinated individual vulnerable to a "breakthrough" infection? There was a period of time when the rate of infection in Ontario was comparable to that in Florida but Florida had no lockdowns. I sincerely hope and pray that this does NOT come to pass but I confess I will not be shocked if Ontario has another "surge"...and it won't be because the border re-opened.
  5. You're going to hate this but.....many times, I have bemoaned the changes I perceived in this forum and yearned for days and discussions gone. However, I convinced myself that surrender was not an option. You are in control; you mold the content; you contribute and change the tenor. Let your voice-your opinions- be heard. Regardless of your extracurricular activities....enjoy your retirement.
  6. I'm trying to follow and as you may recall, I'm a tad "slow". So...you characterize yourself as a "non-radical, tunnel-visioned, right-wing dope" as opposed to the dominant crowd who are "radical, right wing zealots". Have I got that right? So if "tunnel visioned" and zealots are synonymous, the only difference is that you are non-radical but of course, as you know, your perception of radical and non-radical might wholly be the product of your "vision deficiencies"! Ain't life grand???
  7. If it appears so; ir is so. Seriously, I have opposed most of the travel restrictions imposed. Some have suggested that my motivation was simply personal. Those comments were both unfair and inaccurate. Certainly I have been affected by those restrictions but so also have been thousands of other Canadians. My objection to those restrictions was that they were crafted and imposed based upon public perception of achievement rather than by reality-based metrics. I do not agree with those who now suggest Canada has done well in containing the virus. Canada did NOT do well. It is now July and people continue to mass for a first shot jostling over whether it will be Pfizer or not. Since October, I have freely ( relatively) travelled back and forth to the US for non-essential purposes. I spent many weeks in quarantine but apart from answering phone calls requiring that I confirm my fulfillment of quarantine obligations, my life was unaltered as I remained within the confines of my property. You might say that the hurdles inhibited travel and therefore reduced the "risk". I respond by observing that I mitigated risk to others by complying with the quarantine rules. Therein lies the rub. In truth, the government anticipated that travellers would NOT comply; hence the restrictions. One knows that driving after consuming alcohol ( in excess) is both dangerous and unlawful and yet we still do not confiscate vehicles operated by the impaired. Travellers were inhibited but....home builders ( for example) and their trades continued without restriction...and few involved wore masks. Agricultural workers ( a known source of transmission) continued to move freely as did union members with travel permits. Community spread....community...was the primary source of transmission and continues to a diminishing degree as that "community" is vaccinated. For me...it will be a long time...perhaps too long...before international travel becomes palatable ( and feasible). Athens flight tonight out of YYZ....a FULL load (400+) with some 90 pax connecting from LAX. THAT'S "travelling during the pandemic"!
  8. May I be forgiven for asking; UK variant; South African variant; Brazilian variant.....all particularly aggressive and cause for concern. And then we had the Indian variant...much worse in terms of both transmissibility and tenacity. But not for too long. Enter the Greek means of anonymity and presto....offend no one...the Indian variant became the Delta variant. Sheesh...not only do those Delhi habitues own all the Esso stations; variety stores; and, hotel/motels.....they control nomenclature!! Speaking of....so Air Canada...at the request of the Liberal government motivated solely by a concern for the safety of Canadians asked Air Canada to suspend flights to and from Delhi. Air Canada complied. Ahem! Recent AC red-eye flight from Mexico City to Toronto. A full load. Routing? Delhi to Paris to Mexico City to Toronto. 25% agricultural workers; a small percentage from Europe and most from.....Delhi! And...as a usual result....a LOT of wheelchairs required in YYZ. So....what was accomplished by terminating the AC flights to Delhi? Great political PR ; more hoops for the highly motivated BUT no enhancement to the "safety of Canadians". What a load of BS.
  9. Phew!! This might be too tough for me to handle!! But....maybe the exchange will be informative? I know what "working stiff" means; I USED the term! My intent was simply ( and lightheartedly) to suggest to you that the users of this forum, even though still working, probably kept abreast (read) the news and stories of interest regularly and that by suggesting otherwise, you "demeaned" them; ie...did them an injustice. And...for clarification...I WAS a "working stiff" and remain a member of that "working" class. No rest for the wicked.
  10. KK...you ( I'm sure unintentionally) demean so-called "working stiffs". I am confident that most habitues of THIS forum remain informed as to world events on a daily basis regardless of their employment status.
  11. Of late, some threads seem to be comprised of published article after published article all of which are readily available during a daily perusal of " the news". Perhaps contentious and resulting in ad hominem assaults, aren't opinions of more interest and more likely to "stimulate" exchanges? The thread is "travel during the pandemic". I just re-entered Ontario by vehicle and got the impression that the CBSA is anticipating a significant reduction in travel restrictions. As we motored from one state to another, I found the attitude differences between states to be noteworthy. Maine was very relaxed with few people wearing masks outside. On the other hand, northern New York and Vermont appeared to be very mask conscious and cautious. Hotel after hotel was full but I was told that the majority of travellers are from neighbouring states or local. We saw no other vehicles with Canadian plates. As everyone knows, prices are increasing for everything. Although reported at $34 each, a lobster roll is generally available for around $18.00 in Maine. I bought two whole lobsters (1.5 lbs) for $31.00 and steaming was included. I was sorry to see how many businesses were shuttered and buildings vacant presumably due to Covid. Of interest....Ontario for the third day is reporting cases in excess of 500. Michigan which has fully opened, is reporting less than 350/ day. Since Ontario only partially "opened" on Friday, those reported cases arose during lockdown. Hey Doug....what do your polls tell you?
  12. Travelling NB on I-95 and am amazed at two things....the volume of traffic ( bumper to bumper) and hotel prices ( significantly higher). Many hotels with no availability. I departed Florida which is in all respects " business as usual"; Epidemic? What epidemic? As a general comment, from the perspective of some, any and every sacrifice is justified if it saves one life. Others argue that the vulnerable members of society can be protected without imposing restrictions on everyone. And, there are many who believe they are entitled to voluntarily assume the risk of engaging in normal activities which is less objectionable if the cost of fruition of the risk is not shared by all. Rhetorically....consider to what extent IF ANY we are enhancing the risk of the majority by protecting the few. A strong and effective immune system is a genetically desirable trait. Bats are widely regarded as phenomenal because of their resistance to viruses and other pathogens. That is an acquired genetic defense which necessarily required losses. Are we, humanity, hastening our day of reckoning by weakening rather than strengthening our gene pool? Assuming I will be attacked for having the temerity to suggest even thinking about this let me acknowledge that I wouldn't be around but for medical science. However, I repaid society; no progeny!!
  13. Bahamas travel health visa requires that you upload proof of vaccination or a time-stamped negative pcr test result. Some countries are working to facilitate movement of both goods and people. There are distinctions within the Bahamas between islands/communities. As of now, Great Harbour in the Berries is under lockdown; Andros under caution but Exumas restriction-free.
  14. Another quick note about travel. We travelled yesterday on Delta ( great staff!!) because "our" flights to FLL were oversold. Someone mentioned that though showing full, these flights were going out with empty seats. We checked that flight yesterday. It left with 4 unsold seats in J and 12 in Y with a number of pozies ( flight sim) and 2 cons. We're told it's a result of Customs and no tests/attestations. Go figure.
  15. None of it is rational! Major shock to the system walking around T1 and T3 yesterday at Pearson and then suddenly you're trying to dodge the hoards in Atlanta. Seriously...it was PACKED this morning!! And multiple flights full. I must say....everyone I took note of was wearing a mask but regardless, the difference between Canada and the US as it relates to air travel and some sense of normalcy is significant. And on another note....I was surprised to learn that crew are being booked into Covid quarantine hotels. I would have expected CUPE to take exception.
  16. So...is there any correlation between this CBP position and JT's extension of the border closure to June 21st and assertion that restrictions would remain until 75% of Cdns were vaccinated? Ask Chuck Schumer. Quid pro quo.
  17. Ok....explain to me again how Canadian Covid-related travel policy is driven solely by science. According to "the experts", the risk of transmission of the virus by a fully-vaccinated individual is extremely low. If the border was re-opened to US visitors with proof of vaccination, how are Canadian residents endangered? On what rational basis does one assert that the border should remain closed until 75% of Canadians are vaccinated? Is the intent to protect US visitors from us? Have we become the threat to others which necessitates our exclusion from the world community? On another note....checking flights to Florida on AC this coming weekend. Full. Checked outbound flights YYZ to DTW on DL....full ( and NOT cheap!!) Checked flights on AA to CLT....very few seats open. Are these leisure pax or vaccine-hunters? And tell me why Canada wouldn't encourage and support every resident who qualifies from pursuing vaccination in the US.? The authorities quoted in the post above seemed at pains to emphasize; " Go directly to the vaccination site. Do NOT pass go. Carry a letter from your doctor. Get a letter from the provider. Use private transport. Etc etc."
  18. I firmly believe that significant consequences.....real hurt.....must be experienced by offenders to effect change in behaviour. For example... seize and forfeit motor vehicles operated by impaired drivers. In the past, it was felt that "short & sharp" sentences for younger offenders had a more beneficial impact than standard " release with a promise". That meant a week or two in jail instead of 6 month probation. So also with those who offer fraudulent proof of vaccination ( and there will be).....hit them HARD. No bail; isolation....quick trial and a significant financial penalty secured by property lien. I don't break the law. I would feel "rewarded" if those who do were adequately punished.
  19. JO....I have been and no doubt remain on the other side of the fence from you on this issue....and no doubt more but despite my disagreement, I intend no disrespect when I suggest that your opinions about the sincere intent of politicians....to me....are unrealistically kind and overly optimistic. I don't have any idea about the nature and extent of your political participation although your comment about Trump might suggest that you are of a "Liberal" leaning. I was both peripherally and directly involved with politics and politicians for about 15 years from the municipal to the federal level as an assistant; fund raiser; and, elected rep. Collectively....politicians are NOT an altruistic crowd driven by the desire to advance the interests of the public. Power....obtaining and sustaining...is the driving force. Decisions are often driven by pollsters; sociologists; and, psychologists. Assume "we" need to account for the inadequacy of a vaccination program. How best to persuade the electorate that "we" have their best interests at heart? Call in those manipulation experts....trained in how best to control and "persuade" the multitudes. This is a science...political science advanced to the nth degree. In the US...they're pulling them in off the streets to get vaccinated. Providers are being compelled to return unused vaccines....and yet in Canada, health "experts" are justifying a 4 month spread in doses and only a small percentage of Canadian have even received one shot. I'm sorry, JO. Your sentiments are beyond reproach but I don't think that anyone should be " picking up what you're putting down".
  20. FA....first to your point. I agree that many people are opposed to travel though reluctantly accepting the necessity of some based upon purpose. However, I believe that much of that opposition is premised upon acceptance of published opinion that is not scientifically warranted. Story after story reports how Canadians are exploiting "loopholes" by entering via land but make no mention of the prior testing requirements; border testing; quarantine; and, further testing. The fact is that a significant percentage of Canadians rely wholly upon news reports and friends for their "world vision" without critical analysis or a search for balance. That said....reportedly, 73% of Canadians support travel by persons vaccinated as established by a vaccine passport. To ST's point.....in my community, persons over 75 have received one dose and are awaiting a second ( the delay notwithstanding Pfizer's recommendations). Native persons, regardless of age and whether or not residing on a reserve are eligible for both doses upon proof of band membership. That has generated "some" resentment given the efforts of local bands to limit industrial activity and "assume" ownership of vast swaths of land. If a Canadian qualifies for US vaccination, travel for that purpose should be considered essential to the health and safety of the individual and his/her community. I can't post the link but an article in the WSJ today contains a statistical analysis of covid cases in support of the argument that "lockdowns" don't generate worthwhile results; workers are safer at work than remaining at home because of community spread secondary to socializing and safety protocols now in the workplace.
  21. Your first sentence makes no sense to me. Clearly, there is an acknowledged risk to driving and doing so while impaired enhances that risk. My postulate was that Bob arrived at his place of quarantine and remained there throughout. I acknowledge that if Bob experienced a medical emergency, others would then be exposed to Bob but you assume that notwithstanding his negative pcr tests, Bob poses more of a risk to those emergency providers that do they to him. I don't think that conclusion can be rationally justified. Existence carries risk. Clearly, I do not share the same perspective as you and a number of others on this forum. I don't have a problem with that divergence. Honestly, I do not know which route is best followed to achieve the best interests of society as a whole. I emphasize....not the best interests of classes of individuals but rather society as a whole. You and many others on this forum apparently share the opinion that society is best served by limiting the movement of all and by express prohibition, depend upon compliance. I point out that the existence of prohibitions simply affords a measure by which to determine non-compliance; a reality which cannot be ignored. Limit highway speed to 100 kmh and you will have 40% non-compliance. Increase the limit to 110 kmh and non-compliance drops to 30%. Why? Answer is because of the individual's "comfort level". So let's return to "lockdowns". If you explain to everyone that to reduce the risk of infection, every member of a community must engage in certain behaviour such as wearing a mask and maintaining distance, what percentage will comply? Community spread of Covid has, from the beginning been recognized as the primary generator of infection. Please note that the prohibition of non-essential travel was a later addition. And explain to me why those engaged in "essential travel" such as persons engaged in construction trades or Olympic athletes are any less of a threat to society than Joe Blow who is compliant with all existing rules and engages in "travel for pleasure". Again....I emphasize...I do not profess to know( or even have an idea) as to which road is best followed but I suspect that those who are "certain" as to the route truthfully have no better idea than me.
  22. Colin earned his PhD at the iSchool in 2010, focused on the relationship between organizational information culture and the effective use of collaborative information systems. Prior to that, he earned his Master’s at the iSchool, becoming one of the early Information Architects working in New York’s ‘Silicon Alley’ of the late 1990s. In 2011 he began teaching MI courses as a sessional instructor, and in 2017 he accepted the iSchool’s first permanent teaching stream faculty appointment. Prior to joining the faculty, Colin worked at a technology start-up focused on hospital infection control measurement and improvement. Colin is currently the Faculty Liaison for the Knowledge Management/Information Management Concentration. He also assists with administering and supervising the iSchool’s Co-Op program. The above is the UofT bio for Colin Furness quoted in the article. The article referenced 2000 int'll travellers tested Covid positive in an 8 week period....250/wk.....during a period in which Ontario was reporting over 6000 cases per day. Assuming those pax testing positive did so immediately upon arrival, they were in quarantine and presumably posed no immediate threat to others since they were required to remain in quarantine. If they tested positive 10 days after arrival, they were potentially infected by persons here....and not travelling. No....I'm not attempting to justify my own actions. They are irrelevant to an analysis of the Globe article and the characterizations of Mr.Furness. Assume Bob travelled across the US border for pleasure. On return by car, Bob had no immediate contact with ANYONE except a CBSA agent in a booth 8' away. Bob had a negative pcr. He proceeded to his place of quarantine which was fully provisioned and where he resided alone. He tested negative on the day or arrival and again 8 days later. Please tell me how Bob can reasonably be likened to a drunk motorist!! Ed decided to take a pleasure trip from Toronto to Sudbury. Ed was accompanied by his buddies. They visited friends...a bunch of them....and returned to Toronto....no tests; no masks. Who of the two is the villain? Blanket villification serves little purpose in generating appropriate measures to control the inevitable spread of Covid.
  23. Maverick....tread carefully. I suggested that vaccination hesitancy should be overcome by "rewards"; I expressed my objection to the Cdn hotel quarantine program; and, I had the temerity to suggest that Canada's response to the virus with untargeted lockdowns and restrictions was ill-advised. I was labelled a fish monger ( my choice) and a self-indulged whiney old geezer. Since my impugned post(s), our government has expressed its interest in a vaccination passport supported by 73% of our population ....a "reward"( notwithstanding JO's opinion); an opinion in "The Atlantic" argued in support of targeted restrictions; and, the Crowne Plaza at YYZ ( a quarantine hotel) reported that 13 employees were infected in an " outbreak". Folks...please understand that the expression of an opinion is exactly that....an expression of opinion and NOT a declaration of faith. Opinions can ( and should) change based upon the revelation or appreciation of additional facts. Please don't assume that when a poster expresses opposition to a government policy, they are only seeking to advance their own personal interests. Sometimes....rarely, perhaps....one's personal interests and desirable governmental policy coincide. And sometimes, Lord only knows wherein your personal interests reside let alone those who are so quick to discern and deride.
  24. I'm sorry that you felt justified in defaming me and that you had a receptive choir to whom to preach. You are simply wrong in your assumptions and characterizations. Do I wish that there was no pandemic and that life could continue without interruption? What fool ( no finger pointing) wouldn't. Do I understand and accept the necessity of restrictions? What fool wouldn't. I have readily acknowledged my frustration at some of the restrictions but I have also stated my compliance with all. You may not be the dullest tack....but you're certainly not the brightest light. If one cannot express frustration at the impediments to the enjoyments of life; cannot voice objection to the bureaucratic obfuscations of statistics; cannot cry out at demons.....then one is compelled to reside in darkness comforted only by the blankets on the bed. Forgive me.....I believed this to be a forum populated by intelligent individuals with vast life experiences who tolerated the expression of opinions with which they might not agree but who would not feel compelled to disparage.
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