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  1. Lately there has been much talk on this forum around the need to show paper.  That got me thinking and following is a list of paper or plastic that we must show from time to time (most of which are mandatory):
    1. Drivers licence    

    2. Proof of insurance 
    3. Vehicle registration 
    4. Proof of age (liquor stores or senior discount) 
    5. Store loyalty identifcation (for points and or discounts) 
    6. Discount coupons
    7. Passports
    8. Boarding passes
    9. Travel warrents
    10. Credit cards / debit cards
    and most recently
    11. Proof of vaccination
    12. Trade licences
    13. Fishing licences
    14. Hunting licences
    15. Firearm permits / licences
    16. Proof of immunization (not new to those who travel and need to comply with various countries requirements) to which recently was added the need to include Covid .
    12. Negative test results for Covid.


    When you look at the list, what exactly is the big deal with complying with the last 2?  Because they are mandatory? But a number of those in my list are also Mandatory.     Social media influence or ????

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  2. The Grim News 

    Covid: WHO warns Europe once again at epicentre of pandemic

    27 minutes ago

    Europe is once again "at the epicentre" of the Covid pandemic, the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned, as cases soar across the continent.

    At a press conference WHO Europe head Hans Kluge said the continent could see half a million more deaths by February.

    He blamed insufficient vaccine take-up for the rise.

    "We must change our tactics, from reacting to surges of Covid-19 to preventing them from happening in the first place," he said.

    The rate of vaccination has slowed across the continent in recent months. While some 80% of people in Spain are double jabbed, that number is lower in France and Germany - at 68% and 66% respectively - and lower still in some central and eastern European countries. Only 32% of Russians were fully vaccinated by October 2021.

    Mr Kluge also blamed a relaxation of public health measures for rising infections in the WHO's European region, which covers 53 countries including parts of Central Asia. So far the WHO has recorded 1.4 million deaths across the region.

    The WHO's technical lead on Covid-19, Maria Van Kerkhove, said over the past four weeks cases across Europe had soared over 55%, despite an "ample supply of vaccines and tools", and colleague Dr Mike Ryan said Europe's experience was a "warning shot for the world".

    It came as Germany recorded almost 34,000 daily Covid cases in the past 24 hours, a record rise.

    While the Covid numbers in Germany are below the UK's latest daily case numbers of more than 37,000, public health officials are worried that a fourth wave of infection could lead to a large number of deaths and pressure on the health system. In the past 24 hours 165 deaths have been recorded, up from 126 a week ago.

    Lothar Wieler of Germany's RKI institute spoke of terrifying numbers. "If we don't take counter-measures now, this fourth wave will bring yet more suffering," he said. Among the many Germans who have not been vaccinated are more than three million over-60s, seen at particular risk.

    But as Hans Kluge pointed out, the surge in cases is not confined to Germany.

    The most dramatic rises in fatalities have been in the past week in Russia, where more than 8,100 deaths were recorded, and Ukraine, with 3,800 deaths. Both countries have very low rates of vaccination and Ukraine announced a record 27,377 new cases in the past 24 hours.


    Romania recorded its highest number of deaths in 24 hours this week at 591 while in Hungary, daily Covid infections have more than doubled in the past week to 6,268. Mask-wearing is only required on public transport and in hospitals.

    "At the moment we seem to be hell-bent on a course that says the pandemic is over, we just need to vaccinate a few more people. That is not the case," said Dr Ryan, who called for every country to plug the holes in their response.

    This week the Dutch government said it would reimpose mask-wearing and social distancing in many public settings as it emerged that hospital admissions had gone up 31% in a week.

    Latvia meanwhile is imposing a three-month state of emergency from Monday amid a record level of Covid infection.

    Croatia recorded 6,310 new cases on Thursday, its highest number so far. Slovakia has reported its second highest number of cases and Czech infections have returned to levels last seen in spring.

    England's deputy chief medical officer Prof Jonathan Van-Tam said on Wednesday that too many people believed the pandemic was over.

    However, in countries with the highest vaccination rates, infection rates are still relatively low.

    Italy has one of the highest vaccination rates for over-12s but even here new cases are up 16.6% in the past week.

    Portuguese infections have risen above 1,000 for the first time since September. Spain is one of the few countries not to see a rise in transmission with 2,287 cases reported on Wednesday.

    This article contains a detailed list of countries, deaths, death rate and total cases.

    Very long listing as you can probably imagine so here is the goto for the complete article

    Covid: WHO warns Europe once again at epicentre of pandemic - BBC News

    *Deaths per 100,000 people

    This information is regularly updated but may not reflect the latest totals for each country.

    ** The past data for new cases is a three day rolling average. Due to revisions in the number of cases, an average cannot be calculated for this date.

    Source: Johns Hopkins University and national public health agencies

    Figures last updated: 1 November 2021, 09:31 GMT





  3. Global climate conference simply a cop-out


    • Calgary Herald
    • 4 Nov 2021
    • CHRIS NELSON Chris Nelson is a regular columnist for the Calgary Herald.

    That strange human subset, collectively called politicians, possesses a quite remarkable ability to never walk their talk.

    Look no further than the weird goings-on in Glasgow this week, where the world's grasping and garrulous have journeyed to the land of the bravely kilted to display the stunning arrogance of the global elite.

    No matter some of those merrily flapping their gums about saving the planet from looming environmental disaster possess individual carbon footprints the size of small towns in Africa.

    Such obvious hypocrisy never crosses their collective minds and regular folk expecting that privileged set to ever murmur the words reuse, reduce or recycle will remain sorely disappointed. It's not their gig, so to speak.

    Nope, instead, they believe buying a brandnew Tesla as a handy third vehicle for the summer cottage is both a badge of honour, worthy of display to their equally well-heeled neighbours, and a suitable symbol for the rest of us, who unfortunately have to hunt for our eco-salvation among the bargain basements of local thrift stores.

    Nothing agreed at COP26 will involve a single reduction in the lavish lifestyles of the 20,000-plus Glasgow-goers. Their existence will continue as before, the only change being a pleasing jump in frequent flyer points.

    Still, they will indeed sing for their no doubt sumptuous suppers, uttering copious odes to the wonders of net-zero carbon emissions as a foil to the climate emergency we currently face.

    (Apparently, Calgary's soon to be designated as such a threatened metropolis; one about to tumble into some fiery pit if we don't do something that will, in actuality, amount to nothing, so nobody experiences even the slightest inconvenience. Hey, wake me up when our new city councillors start riding the bus to work.)

    We know this is how it really works, which is why Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's latest bit of grandstanding, about capping oil and gas emissions, is simply hot air.

    A man who flies halfway across a continent for a spot of weekend surfing hasn't the moral authority to judge a biggest-pumpkin contest never mind tell Alberta what to do with its oil.

    If push ever did come to shove, then we'd just switch off the pumps for a weekend in January and he'd be taking the proverbial knee before you could mutter “freeze in the dark.” We just need a provincial leader who'll walk our talk. The current one won't.

    Anyhow, if this is indeed a planetary emergency, then why doesn't the Trudeau government put a five-buck-a-litre excise tax on gasoline today? That would cut emissions in a heartbeat and surely it's a small price to pay for salvation? That snowball in hell had better odds than that happening.

    It's pure theatre at every level. U.S. President Joe Biden waxes lyrical about a green future then calls OPEC in the intermission and begs them to pump more oil. German Chancellor Angela Merkel plays the elder stateswoman one final time while quietly pleading with Russian President Vladimir Putin to send more natural gas to a Europe in the throes of an energy crisis.

    In the meantime, we'll pretend someday soon — but not just yet — we'll all indeed ride bikes to work in February and wear two sweaters while reading by candlelight, just so China can build more coal-fired power plants across the length and breadth of Asia to use up any resulting carbon slack.

    Here in Canada, we worship at the feet of an aging TV host whose personal contribution to saving the Earth is buying a holiday home in Australia. Do these people even lose a single wink of sleep engaging in such behaviour? Certainly doesn't seem so.

    So that environmental can will be kicked down the road constantly, promised salvation always 20 to 30 years away.

    All we can do is turn the thermostat down a notch, resist buying endless stuff and walk to the corner store instead of driving. It isn't much, but it's still a walk the Glasgow crowd will never make.

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  4. Opinion: Renewables are making Europe energy-poorimage.png.5d89ad418219bb0d14ee966db6a51280.png

    © Provided by Financial PostRenewables have more than doubled as a share of EU electricity production, from just over 16 per cent in 2000 to over 34 per cent in 2019.

    With the recent rise in the price of natual gas in Europe to five times where it was earlier this year, expect to see many more Europeans, including Brits, plunged into “energy poverty” — too poor to pay their utility bills on time and/or keep their homes adequately warm. Why is not hard to grasp: from Greece to Great Britain and everywhere in between, the European electricity grid is increasingly de-linked from reliable, affordable fossil fuels and hooked up to more expensive and intermittent wind and solar projects. When wind and solar are not available, Europeans and others end up chasing the same supplies of oil, natural gas and coal, pushing their prices dramatically higher.

    Canadians should pay attention. What Europeans are already enduring and will suffer through again this winter will only intensify thanks to government efforts at COP26 this week to mandate an even faster “phaseout” of fossil fuels. But existing policies were causing substantial energy poverty in Europe even before the price spike this autumn. Stefan Bouzarovski, a University of Manchester professor and chair of an energy poverty working group, estimates that pre-pandemic, 80 million Europeans were already struggling to adequately heat their homes. Meanwhile, at least 12 million European households were in arrears on their utility bills.

    The European Union has attempted to provide an objective measurement of the problem but its best data is six years old. The EU Energy Poverty Observatory’s most recent estimate — from 2015 — showed that 16 per cent of EU consumers faced a “high” share of energy costs, with “high” defined as energy expenditures relative to income that were more than twice the national median.

    To get a better sense of the challenge faced by European households and energy poverty, we used 2008 as a start year and then compared the rise in household median incomes (with the full set of data ending in 2019) with the rise in electricity prices (ending in 2020) in 30 European countries.

    We found that in lower-income European countries that have seen strong growth in incomes since 2008 (mainly ex-communist states such as Estonia, Bulgaria and Poland), median incomes rose faster than power prices. Not so in many richer European countries, however. For example, though median household income rose just 19 per cent in France, electricity prices were up 61 per cent. In the U.K income rose just 14 per cent, compared to a 51 per cent rise in electricity prices. In Ireland, income was up 11 per cent, electricity 48 per cent. Worst off was Spain, where median household income rose by just eight per cent, while electricity prices soared 68 per cent.

    The response of some European governments has been to subsidize utility bills — as in Ontario, which did it to mask the effect of policies that drove the province’s electricity prices dramatically higher. All that does, however, is shift the burden of high power costs from the “consumer pocket” to the “taxpayer pocket.” But, of course, both pockets are in the same coat: so, either way, households bear the cost, or their children and grandchildren do if today’s utility bills are subsidized through government borrowing.

    Why electricity is so costly in the EU and U.K is clear: policy. Governments there have attempted to “transition” from fossil fuels despite their superior energy density — their “power punch,” as Vaclav Smil, retired environment professor at the University of Manitoba characterizes it — vis-à-vis renewables.

    The result can be seen in the declining share of fossil fuels in EU electricity production: from about 50 per cent in 2000 to 38 per cent in 2019. Nuclear-generated electricity, which has also been discouraged,  has declined from 32 per cent of electricity production in 2000 to just over 26 per cent in 2019.

    Meanwhile, renewables have more than doubled as a share of EU electricity production, from just over 16 per cent in 2000 to over 34 per cent in 2019. That would be fine, except solar and wind are not exactly inexpensive. They are also not as reliable as fossil fuels, something Brits were recently reminded of when wind power dropped and coal again had to be used to prop up their country’s electricity grid.

    It’s been said that the definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” The policymakers gathered in Glasgow evidently want to speed up the killing of fossil fuels even thought it has already led to widespread energy poverty in Europe. Are they expecting different results?

    Financial Post

    Mark Milke and Ven Venkatachalam are with the Canadian Energy Centre, an Alberta government corporation funded in part by taxes paid by industry on carbon emissions. They are authors of Energy Poverty in European Households: An Advance Lesson for Canadians.

  5. The Big Lie Has Been Proven False. Republicans Can’t Shake It

    Philip Elliott  38 mins ago

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    © Chip Somodevilla—Getty Images Former President Donald Trump addresses supporters during a "Save America" rally at York Family Farms in Cullman, Ala. on Aug. 21, 2021.

    If you want a quick study on the state of Republican politics, this is a pretty good week to tune in.

    Rep. Adam Kinzinger ended his own career in the House last week, saying he preferred to fight the Trumpist wing of his GOP from the outside. Glenn Youngkin is heading into Election Day tomorrow in strong contention to become the 74th Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, a Trumpian heir to Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe. And a politically popular package of proposals like paid family leave and free pre-K care are flailing on Capitol Hill without a whiff of Republican support because, if they succeed, they could give President Joe Biden some tailwinds.

    This is the state of the Republican Party at the moment: beholden to All Things Trump and fearful of seeming to give him or his allies even a moderate setback.

    Since Election Day of last year, the GOP has been in sustained panic. Trump lost handily at the polls in an election that saw him compete for bombast but not technocratic accomplishments. Trump banked on the false belief that loud superseded competent and came up short. In defeat, he decided to claim the election was stolen. Trump tried—with zero success or credibility—to argue the whole affair was rigged and should be set aside. Having exhausted even his most ardent allies, he then urged a mob on Jan. 6 to descend on the U.S. Capitol to force Congress to discard the results. Despite some harrowing hours, that attempt failed too, Congress rejected Trump’s antics and Biden was confirmed the winner.

    Well, fast forward some 10 months, and that terrifying day wasn’t merely a one-off. The GOP remains boxed-in by Trump’s false assertion, which deservedly is known in D.C. as The Big Lie. More than two-thirds of Republicans believe it. For those who watch Fox News, that number is 82%. For consumers of far-right news—think Newsmax and OAN—that number reaches near universal belief, at 97%.

    These numbers are courtesy of a new study, out today, from the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution. The findings follow a similar May survey from the same pollsters and suggest a hardening of the belief that Trump is the rightful winner of the 2020 vote. In other words, the grievance is growing and the misinformation metastasizing.

    If the ramifications of these sentiments were limited to what happened with Trump in 2020, this mightn’t be so worrisome. But it pervades the political environment. It’s why Kinzinger, one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 riots and one of two Republicans participating in the House probe of it, has decided to exit stage right. (Illinois redistricting maps didn’t help, either, to be fair.) Youngkin’s embrace of the MAGA agenda in Virginia makes more sense given these numbers, despite its threat to alienate the independents that comprise roughly a quarter of the Virginia electorate. And Congressional Republicans’ refusal to consider the soft-infrastructure elements of Biden’s Build Back Better makes sense in this light as well.

    The numbers also offer a bleak picture of how Republicans view this country. The survey suggests the GOP is hostile to change. More than half of the Republicans say they feel like a stranger in America and 80% of them say the country is at risk of losing its culture. That anxiety and paranoia can be toxic features in a political space, but animating nonetheless.

    The survey also includes a rich piece of irony. When asked to define what makes someone “truly American,” a full 96% of Republicans say “respecting political institutions and laws” are critical—just as long as those institutions and laws defer to Trump and his Big Lie.


  6. Now, nearly all new steel globally is produced using iron oxide and coking coal. Coking coal is usually bituminous-rank coal with special qualities that are needed in the blast furnace. While an increasing amount of steel is being recycled, there is currently no technology to make steel at scale without using coal.

  7. Here is some food for thought:

    Since the start of 2020, based on official counts, COVID-19 has killed more than 4.5 million people, including more than 630,000 in the United States, 570,000 in Brazil, and 430,000 in India. These tallies may substantially underestimate COVID-19's true death toll. In fact, some estimates suggest the total number of deaths could be more than twice as large as reported globally and up to ten times greater than reported in some countries. The scale of loss is staggering, but the huge numbers are difficult to understand without context. It can be helpful to consider how COVID-19 ranks as a cause of death around the world, and some of the factors driving those trends.

    Looking at official statistics alone, COVID-19 was the fourth leading cause of death globally, accounting for just under one in twenty deaths worldwide since the beginning of 2020. After accounting for unreported deaths, the total toll could be as high as the third leading cause of death, responsible for an estimated 10 million deaths, or one out of every ten deaths. About half of people globally live to 70 before they die, so causes of death that tend to kill older adults such as ischemic heart disease and stroke predominate among the most common causes of death. COVID-19 mortality is similar in that it kills very few young children or adolescents but becomes sharply more dangerous with age and disproportionately kills people over 70 years old.  

    Top Five Causes of Death Globally


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    Rank Cause Estimated Deaths Since the Start of 2020 Estimated Percent of All Deaths Since the Start of 2020 Estimated Deaths per 100,000
    1 Ischemic heart disease 15,220,000 14.8% 196.7
    2 Stroke 10,920,000 10.6% 141.1
    3 COVID-19 10,000,000 9.6% 129.3
    4 Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 5,465,000 5.2% 70.6
    5 Lower respiratory infections 4,150,000 4.0% 53.7
    Note: Based on data from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, reported COVID-19 is the fourth leading cause of death globally and total COVID-19 deaths make it the third leading cause of death. Total deaths include excess deaths—the number of deaths estimated as attributed to COVID-19, including unreported deaths—as well as reported deaths. Deaths reflect counts or estimates through August 31, 2021.

    According to official statistics, COVID-19 was the leading cause of death in France, Spain, the United Kingdom, and several U.S. states. But after accounting for undercounting of COVID-19 deaths, it was the leading cause of death in the United States, Iran, and Poland (all were second-leading before adjusting to account for total deaths due to COVID-19). COVID-19 was the leading cause of death in the Region of the Americas and the third leading cause of death in the European Region. People over 70, who are at higher risk of COVID-19 mortality, make up a higher share of the population in higher-income countries. Those countries also tend to have a higher prevalence of chronic health conditions that increase with age such as obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic kidney disease, and respiratory illness, which likely contributed to higher rates of COVID-19 mortality.

    COVID-19 Deaths by WHO Region


  8. Covid-19

    This was not written by me, but I agree with the content.

    I'm vaccinated and, no, I don't know what's in it—neither this vaccine nor the ones I had as a child; or what’s in that Big Mac, that pumpkin-spice flavoring, or in hot dogs or chicken tenders; or what’s in other drugs used for other treatments … whether the treatment is for cancer, AIDS, or polyarthritis.

    I don't actually know what's in Ibuprofen, Tylenol, or other pain meds that almost everyone takes, I just know it cures my headaches and my pain. Or what’s in cough medicine, that allergy nasal spray, insulin, or high blood pressure meds.

    I also don't know what's in the ink for tattoos, vaping cigs, or every ingredient in my soap or shampoo or deodorants. I don’t know what’s in lipstick.

    I don’t know the long term effect of cell phone use or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at REALLY used clean utensils, fresh foods, and whether the employees there washed their hands.

    In short ...

    There's a lot of things I don't know and never will. I just know one thing: life is short, very short. And I still want to do something with my life other than just going to work every day or staying locked in my home. I still want to travel and hug people without fear and experience more of my life "before.”

    As a child and as an adult I've been vaccinated for mumps, measles, rubella, polio, chicken pox, small pox, and quite a few others (as an adult I’ve been vaccinated for tetanus and hepatitis, and each fall I get a flu shot that is less effective at preventing flu than the Covid vaccine is at preventing Covid-19). My parents and I trusted the science and never had to suffer through or transmit any of the childhood diseases that used to kill children and adults.

    I'm vaccinated, not to please the government but:

    * to NOT die from Covid-19.

    * to NOT clutter a hospital bed if I get sick.

    * to hug my loved ones without fearing I may transmit a deadly virus to them.

    * to NOT have to do PCR or antigenic tests so I can go to a concert, go to a restaurant, go on holidays, and many more things to come.

    * to live my life.

    * to have my kids/grandkids go back to school and play sports—safely.

    * to make these days of Covid-19 become just an old memory.

    * to protect us—all of us.


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  9. Greece appears to have experienced a very deep recession in 2020 and even under optimistic assumptions, a full recovery will take some time beyond 2021. In addition, the recession and the cost of the measures to mitigate it have already led to a further sharp rise of Greeces already exorbitantly high public debt.
  10. A last word until the vote is tallied.  No matter what is posted here, before that, no one on this forum will change their vote, so perhaps to reduce the band width, it is time to call an end to posts about the election and those who are running.....   Adieu until the results are in.

  11. 1 hour ago, Airband said:

    California Seeks to Avert Blackouts by Burning More Gas

    Fri Sep 10, 2021 - Bloomberg News
    By Mark Chediak and Naureen S Malik

    California is asking the federal government to declare an “electric reliability emergency” so the Golden State can lean more heavily on fossil fuels to avoid blackouts. 

    The state’s main grid operator wants the U.S. Department of Energy to suspend air-pollution rules for some natural gas-burning power plants in case their output is needed “to meet demand in the face of extremely challenging conditions including extreme heat waves, multiple fires, high winds, and various grid issues,” according to a filing. The last time California received a waiver of such length and breadth was 21 years ago during the Western Energy Crisis. 

    For a second straight day, authorities urged residents of the biggest U.S. state to conserve energy as a heat wave boosts air-conditioning use.

    The emergency request highlights the conflict between California’s green aspirations and the physical reality that wind and solar thus far haven’t been able to cover power shortfalls exacerbated by the shuttering of gas-fired generators. The California Independent System Operator has warned of looming electricity shortages several times this summer.
    An emergency declaration by the Energy Department would allow new gas units recently ordered by the state to connect to the grid by the middle of this month, the California ISO said in its filing. It would also relax pollution limits for some other gas plants that would otherwise be forced to temporarily halt power production.

    A similar emergency order was issued during the deadly Texas freeze that triggered widespread blackouts, Energy Department spokesman Kevin Liao said. 

    A great example of "be careful what you wish for"  



    California lawmakers pass bill to phase out fossil fuels by 2045 | Engadget

  12. 53 minutes ago, Seeker said:

    Yes, good story.  Anti-vaxxer dies from the Covid.  Gotta love the irony of that.  What about the story of the pro-vaxxer who died from the vaccine?  I make no claim about the relative numbers of "anti" vs "pro" dying from their choice.  VAERS shows thousands of deaths after the vaccine and this number is widely thought to be a gross underrepresentation but, of course we'll never know the truth about whether these deaths were an adverse reaction to the vaccine or just co-incidence and I would certainly never make any claim.  One thing is for sure, you won't see it being reported.

    You may find the following of interest. The data is for Canada.



    COVID-19 daily epidemiology update - Canada.ca

  13. Qantas To Ban Unvaccinated Travelers On International Flights

    The boss of Qantas, Alan Joyce, has confirmed that the airline will not allow unvaccinated passengers to travel with it internationally. Qantas is eyeing a mid-December restart for international flying, and has already run a successful incentive program to encourage its passengers to vaccinate.

    Dreaming of jetting off on Qantas? Better make sure you’re vaccinated. 

    No vaccine, no fly

    As mooted by the airline’s CEO last year, Qantas has confirmed plans to refuse carriage of those who have not had the full course of vaccination against COVID. Speaking at the Trans-Tasman Business Circle this week, as reported by Traveller, CEO Alan Joyce said,

    “Qantas will have a policy that internationally we’ll only be carrying vaccinated passengers. Because we think that’s going to be one of the requirements to show that you’re flying safe and getting into those countries. We’re hoping that can happen by Christmas.”

    Joyce has long taken a hard line on the vaccination debate. The airline has already made it clear that it wants to make vaccination mandatory for its 22,000 workers, a move that is reportedly welcomed by staff. Frontline staff working in both Qantas and Jetstar are expected to be double vaccinated by mid-November, while office-based workers have until the end of March to get their shots.

    Qantas To Ban Unvaccinated Travelers On International Flights - Simple Flying

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  14. 1 hour ago, Seeker said:

    I sure get a kick out of this:

    Fleury, 53, has also touted ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine commonly used for livestock, as an alternative COVID-19 treatment, and lambasted the mainstream media as liars for an "absolute all out disinformation campaign" over use of the medication.

    Yes, it is commonly used for livestock.  It is also commonly used for humans and has been for 40 years.  Whether you believe it's effective for Covid or not the constant media labeling of it as "de-worming medicine for horses" or "anti-parasitic medicine for livestock" without acknowledging that has been, and is, completely acceptable for human use (when prescribed and dosed by a doctor, of course) is dishonest.

    To be clear, I am not encouraging or suggesting it as a Covid treatment.  I merely saying that the drug itself has human approval.

    quite right.   




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