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  1. It’s not only the Harper government as you can see below from a news clip. It happened in the present Trudeau Liberal government as well, when the federal minister of labour forced the parties into mediation and eventually arbitration when ALPA threatened a strike and WestJet responded with a Lockout threat. The minister of Labour then flew into Calgary for an emergency meeting and forced the issue. The only difference is that it was forced by the minister and didn’t require any legislation but the unhappy results for the pilot group was the same, with no final vote on the matter because it was concluded through arbitration. calgaryherald.com May 25, 2018 “The threat of a strike by WestJet pilots appears to be over. The Calgary-based airline and the union that represents the pilots said Friday they have agreed to a settlement process that will involve a federal mediator. “We are grateful for the role played by the government, both with their mediation services and with the offer of support with arbitration and intervention of the minister of Labour,” said WestJet president and CEO Ed Sims. The agreement means neither WestJet or the Air Line Pilots Association can walk away from negotiations. Sims said he’s confident a settlement will be reached by the end of June. ”The immediate stages of the process are that we continue to sit around the negotiating table as we have done for many months now. The negotiating will conclude with what is called a binding arbitration. So, an arbitrator will determine the values of each case and will reach agreements,” said Sims.”
  2. Beaverboy, not sure where you get your information from, but you are out by a $100 million as it was $118 million for the 2015 pilot agreement that would have run for four years NOT $18 million. Must say you are being consistent though with the ALPA mantra of untruths that never seems to end. It’s interesting that if you listened to the 4th quarter conference call from WJ with analysts, the question was asked how much CASM cost increases for 2019 for the new pilot contract plus all the other employee groups negotiating new agreements, and the answer was..... Zero to 2%. Aside from YOS, which is good to see, don’t see where the large amounts of money are going unless that includes the 500 extra pilots that will hired. Many pilots especially WB pilots are seeing the lowest take home pay, they have ever seen yet since our new contract started on January 1st. Most pilots except those benefiting from YOS, will see reduced T4’s and it will be interesting to see what comes out of the pension negotiations because not one more penny is actually going into the “pension” line item, just some choices possibly between 20% ESP and or 10%ESP and 10 % some sort of pension program, with still the same total dollars.
  3. Johnny, If as by your post you are implying you work for AC, and if that is the case, unless you were on the negotiating team, I would take a lot of external information with a grain of salt. I wasn’t involved in the negotiations either, but any person that would have ever been involved knows that during many negotiations a lot of things get said and positions are taken, during the process. In the end, all that matters is the end result to both parties. If one party takes an extreme position, that forces the the other to come back with one as well, and ALPA was using Delta for example as a comparator, and telling pilots they were substantially underpaid, and the arbitration proved that not to be the case. I don’t have a current ACPA contract in front of me but the hourly rate on both the 787/767 today, with the ESP included, but none of the other equity uplifts that we get, is within pennies of the rate from March of 2018 for the 787 at AC mainline. As well we were due for a another bigger raise in 2020, if ALPA was able to capture a previous MOA agreement that was negotiated by the WJPA. I don’t have an Encore agreement handy, and it is now under negotiation but, it was competitive with the Jazz ALPA agreement, and we’ll see what happens with their next agreement and as well what ALPA at Jazz is voting on now for the new CPA terms. No one is a victim in this process, as the pilots had a right to join ALPA, and the process played out and the results are there, and most pilots are not too happy about it.
  4. Johnny maybe you should research your facts before using second hand information, and from CUPE newsletters? Grooming has recently become a more contentious issue , and whipped out of proportion first with the initial attempt with the WPPA and then through ALPA, as before that there were very few issues with it. Since the start of WJ, grooming for pilots (with the exception of the 767/787) has always been voluntary, part of the culture of working together, when you had time. It was also all part of the team effort to get quicker turn arounds, and since it saved tens of millions of dollars over the years, increased profit sharing. Since pilots earn the most and profit sharing is based on straight time earnings, it is easy math to see they are the biggest beneficiaries of increased profit sharing not to mention on their ESP stock options etc. Prior to the last year and a half, the profit sharing averaged over 10% of any employees straight time earnings, so not chump change by any measure. Leave it to CUPE to talk about “ writing up” employees as how would they really know as they are new on the property and have a vested interest in creating animosity against the company. I’ve been here for twenty years and haven’t seen that, but it’s all a matter of perspective and in that case who you talk to, so what statistics and facts do you have to back it up? The attrition rate at WJ mainline has been and continues to be very low, just over 1%, with most of the pilots that are leaving going overseas not to AC, unless you are talking about WestJet Encore or Swoop, which is a different story. We used to have one date of hire list between WJ mainline and Encore for example, but now that is up in the air with ALPA , so that uncertainty has caused more Encore pilots then would have gone under the old model to leave. Swoop is another story, as ALPA’s handling of that group, forced the company to hire off the street pilots, and the WAWCON there has caused turnover in pilots to be higher then it would have been. The pay at WJ mainline is well beyond the “ average “ you describe, and if you look at the total compensation, which is the only fair way to measure compensation, but not “ industry standard “ for some people, it is very competitive with AC.